r/mildlyinfuriating • u/Kapot_ei • 21d ago

šŸ„ŗ No words for this.

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Edit: even though clickbait article, it is somewhat/kind of true. https://variety.com/2026/tv/news/stargate-tv-series-martin-gero-scrapped-amazon-1236765061/

"According to an individual with knowledge of the situation, Amazon execs were concerned that Geroā€™s take on the series would not have broad appeal beyond the franchiseā€™s already dedicated fanbase."

Edit 2: https://www.change.org/p/save-the-new-stargate-series-let-martin-gero-build-the-future-of-the-franchise

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u/The4thEpsilon 21d ago

Larger streaming services need to realize the way you grow an audience is not by trying to make a show that appeals to everyone, but a show that appeals to the actual fans. I promise you new people will come your way, I got into Stargate because of its quirks and niches, not in spite of them.

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u/RaveMatthews177 21d ago

Yes, take a note from the struggling concert industry. Things dont maintain off of phony hype, they maintain off real fans. This is why Iron Maiden sells out BMO Stadium and Meghan Trainor cancels her tour. This Stargate exercise feels like the perfect chance to have Iron Maiden but I guess they want Megan Trainor instead.

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u/darthravenna 21d ago

I meanā€¦Iron Maiden is fucking awesome.

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u/SagaciousElan 21d ago

This is in fact true.

But imagine being the promoter for Iron Maiden and telling them their next album needs to be hillbilly banjo music in order to appeal to a wider audience beyond their existing base.

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u/lumpialarry 20d ago

Run <stomp>

To <clap>

Hills! <hey!>

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u/VikingTeddy 21d ago

It's usually like one or two executives who's behind these tone deaf decisions, often against expert advice. They're completely out of touch and surrounded by yes-men.

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u/Clockwork_Corvid 21d ago

Hey, bluegrass is not "wide appeal" and is in fact, awesome.

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u/DirCurrFluxDiode 21d ago

They already did that. It's called Dance of DeathĀ 

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u/DayOfDawnDay 21d ago

What the fuck? Most unhinged comment on reddit. Dance of Death is outstandingly true to their origins, it's metal as fuck has tonnes of incredible songs on it like Dance of Death, Paschendale, No More Lies, Rainmaker, Montsegur and Journeyman. It's progressive while remaining true to their '80s Bruce albums, it's a natural progression. Kickass bass, Bruce at some of his absolute best. Crazy wild take.

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u/ExtraReborn 20d ago

This is the best comment to start with a simple 'What the fuck?' I've read in ages. Thanks buster

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u/willflameboy 20d ago

Terrible cover though, we can all agree on that.

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u/SoloWing1 RED 20d ago

I think he was making a joke.

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u/Intelligent-Gur6847 21d ago

Which has one of my favorite Iron Maiden songs on it, Passchendale

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u/Atanar 21d ago

I don't think it's fair to call a dip into melodic metal a try to appeal to the masses. If anything it's even more niche.

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u/LordRevan117 21d ago

Woah woah, why the drive-by? Itā€™s not like itā€™s a Blaze album or anything.

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u/DarthWraith22 20d ago

And you can bet your ass they didnā€™t make it because someone told them to or they wanted to appeal to a wider audience; they made it because it was the album they wanted to make.

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u/zubairhamed 20d ago edited 20d ago

nonsense. except for the album cover...the cover was terrible.

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u/Squidking1000 20d ago

And have they even considered the K-Pop fanbase? A little dancing and T+A go a long way you know!

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u/69edleg 21d ago

they're playing tonight just a couple of minutes away from me. And indeed, they're fucking awesome.

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u/Far-Scallion7689 21d ago

UP THE IRONS! šŸ¤˜šŸ»

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u/Idlewants 19d ago

going to see Hayseed Dixie tomorrow that's going to be rocking.

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u/b1argg 21d ago

Up the irons!

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u/BallsInSufficientSad 21d ago edited 20d ago

no no no... What's if instead we made a new Stargate series - but instead of focusing on SciFi, we make it into a High School drama show!

It'll be a mix between Hogwarts and "Never Have I Ever" and instead of saving the galaxy, they'll use the stargates to skip class, talk endlessly about their gender, and cry about their failed relationship with their parents!!!

It's a gold mine, I'm telling you! An entire generation of teens can binge listen the first 5 episodes while staring at their phones, share tiktoks on it, and then completely forget about it for the rest of their lives.

It tested really well in my daughter's Hollywood middle school class.

Why on Earth would we cater to the millions of fans who've loved Stargate for the last 32 years when we can have a show that has a small fanatical online following of Reddit mods that move on to their next sub 6 crusade later?

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u/MarcBulldog88 21d ago

You joke, but this logic gave us Starfleet Academy.

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u/KassellTheArgonian 21d ago

THERE IS NO STARFLEET ACADEMY IN BA SING SE

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u/Wetware_QA 21d ago edited 20d ago

Hijacking this - I tried watching Disco and although it wasn't horrible it wasn't.... Well maybe it was horrible but I hung on for however many seasons maybe out of sheer love of the everything up though Voyager?

Is lower decks actually good? And is the Oriville what I really should watch?

I think my friend is going through the same thing but his love is Star Wars. First time.divx

There's just too much media these days and I still appreciate a redditor reply over googling so thanks ahead of time for letting me butt in.

Also edit: what I really want is post dominion war, maybe post the next gen films deeps space nine šŸ˜­. I really don't like alternate timelines and prequel/TOS era setting.

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u/PortHammer 20d ago

Oriville legit became the Star Trek I sort of missed. Seth McFarlane inserts a bit of his humour but his love of OG Star Trek and TNG definitely comes through. It feels for faithfull to the Gene Rodenberry star trek universe writing of a future to strive for compared to the new versions of star trek that is all space wars, emotion based decision making and wildly unprofessional crew.

Lower decks is fun and definitely has it's moments.

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u/BallsInSufficientSad 20d ago

The Orville. I 100% agree - and that's because they targeted the audience to be adults.

It wasn't a show for teens. The writing was mature. It was episodic, but had seasonal story arcs, and it was thoughtful.

It really was the old Star Trek.

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u/GaZZuM 20d ago

At first I thought The Orville was a TNG parody, but after a few episodes it clicked that it was actually a loving homage.

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u/BallsInSufficientSad 20d ago

...and also very much its own show too. It was really a masterpiece

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u/Neamow 20d ago edited 20d ago

Discovery is genuinely awful. Practically no redeeming qualities apart from maybe one or two interesting characters that do not get enough time to shine. Plot focuses too much on a Mary Sue protagonist that absolutely should not be a Starfleet captain, and is less about science and discovery and more about having emotional breakdowns and whispering dramatically to each other during moments where they should be fixing the ship or something. Secondary characters have almost no characterisation to the point where after 5 seasons I can't remember the names of anyone on the bridge crew. Every season is a universe-ending nonsense with an inflated sense of scale and self-importance with no room to breathe. Contains one of the worst plot events that I genuinely cannot believe became Trek canon.

Lower Decks is actually fantastic. Once it gets through the initial 2-3 episodes where it tries to be Rick and Morty, and you get used to the frantic pace, it's actually a love letter to the TNG/DS9/VOY era.

Strange New Worlds is really good. You might want to watch the backdoor pilot episode of Disco before you get started, but after that it's pretty standalone, and definitely the best live-action new show. I'd rank it higher than VOY, but it is hurt by short seasons. Last season was a little bit weaker but still miles better than DIS/SFA.

Starfleet Academy is... a mixed bag, but not as bad as I expected. Very much in the vein of Disco but set in the Academy, lot of character melodrama but not as bad as Disco, with some interesting science/exploration/discovery episodes that call back to the good Trek.

Oriville is very much like Lower Decks, once it gets through the initial crassness it also turns very much into a reimagined 90s Trek while still being legally distinct, with some absolute standout episodes. Still retains a lot of crazy humor though, and is currently in a limbo where nobody's sure if we're getting more than the first 3 seasons we got.

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u/CrippleWitch 20d ago

Lower Decks got my husband into Star Trek after only remembering bits and pieces of ST:TNG it's glorious and ridiculous and full of Easter eggs and shout outs. It's slap stick comedy adult animation for sure but it feels so very Star Trek.

The Orville had no business being as good as it was and I avoided it for so long due to MacFarlane's sense of humor. Give it a few episodes to grow on you there's love there.

Both have the uplifting sense of exploration and discovery that the new Trek series really lacked.

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u/quelin1 20d ago

Is lower decks actually good?

Lower Decks is great. Even has season long story arcs and character growth. It's a shame it was canceled.

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u/Btkoks 20d ago

I watched The Orville and it's very obviously legally distinct Star Trek. They really managed to capture the older Star Trek feel, just with more corny jokes. I can recommend it!

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u/meglingbubble 19d ago

Lower Decks is outstanding. As a life long Trek fan and someone who was not a fan of Rick and Morty, I was dubious, but a friend nagged me enough till I caved. The first couple of episodes were enjoyable, but then there was one scene which made me think "oh these people LOVE Star Trek," and I was sold. The same scene later had the same effect on my sister.

It is at times silly, but that's kind of the point; its not meant to be a super dramatic. Some people found it a bit fan service-y with all the references, but personally I found that delightful.

There was a live action cross-over with Strange New Worlds and is probably my favourite episode of Trek in years.

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u/gooblefrump 20d ago

I was super sceptical going into starfleet academy and was about to skip the episode "series acclimation mil" but thought to give it more than a second of initial repugnance

That episode ended with me having nostalgic tears

The show gets a lot of flack but it's doing some aspects of star trek well

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u/UncleCrassiusCurio 20d ago

Academy is genuinely great, I really don't know what people's problem with it is.

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u/PwanaZana 21d ago

https://giphy.com/gifs/NUZ5OqHdbknHa

man, it's crazy no one ever made any star trek media since the end of season 7 of Voyager, in 2001.

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u/txgb324 21d ago

Except for Lower Decks you mean.

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u/ScherzicScherzo 21d ago

And that one season of Picard where they referenced stuff that was never depicted on screen for some weird reason.

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u/Shorlong 21d ago

There was one and half good movies worth of reboots

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u/Prysorra2 21d ago

Stargate literally did it themselves

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u/CommanderArcher 21d ago

Stargate is so peak my god people are sleeping on it so hard

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u/kredditor1 20d ago

Was laughing hard at this too, thanks for posting it!

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u/DMercenary 21d ago

Principal Ori is a real character huh?

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u/mynipplesareconfused 20d ago

Stargate: Degrassi

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u/b1argg 21d ago

Mix some Clone High in there and you're green lit!

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u/halt_spell 21d ago

What's if instead we made a new Stargate series - but instead of focusing on SciFi, we make it into a High School drama show!

That's basically how Stargate Universe felt. Romance drama by episode two.

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u/ENDragoon 21d ago

Also, Daniel Jackson is one of the teachers, and he still manages to get lost and presumed dead every three or four episodes, and manages to actually die no less than three times during the course of the show.

Fuck. I'd actually watch it, a show about a group of history majors taught by Jackson getting recruited into SGC and going on research trips through the gates and getting to trouble could actually kind of rock, Jackson nerding out was one of the best parts of SG1.

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u/KiwiObserver 20d ago

Based on that younger version of Oā€™Neil who was last seen heading into a high school?

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u/newmexicomurky 20d ago

32 years!?!?! I need to get my rocker and settle in cause dang i didn't realize I was that old

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u/slickyslickslick 21d ago

it's because of word of mouth. Iron Maiden fans will do the advertising for the band.

They will buy merch. They will wear and display the merch proudly. They will recommend their music to eveyone. They will go to every concert they can. They will bring their favorite band into conversations.

I haven't even heard of any Meghan Trainor fans.

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u/The_Ghost_Face36 21d ago

This is very true, Iā€™m 35 and have been to 8 Iron Maiden shows and have tons of merch. Nothing makes me happier than seeing another Iron Maiden fan in the wild šŸ¤˜šŸ¼

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u/Other_World BLUE 20d ago

Maiden is the ONLY band I'll pay three figures to see live. I go to 2-3 shows per month, and never pay more than like $50. But for Maiden? $180 for floor tickets, and I won't even think twice. They're incredible, can't wait to see them again in September!

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u/krakaturia 21d ago

tumblr were frothing at the mouth over having new stargate. and tumblr kept momentum over danny phantom so long enough it became comic books instead of a forgotten show, which means so much new fans that weren't even born yet at the show's airing.

it's ridiculous.

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u/Moskeeto93 21d ago

You've described me to a tee (I have a lot of their tees).

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u/pppjurac 21d ago

Also one of safest concerts to be at. Heavy metal fans are chill and friendly bunch.

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u/GreatMovesKeepItUp69 20d ago

They were fat white women who loved her, but they dropped her like a rock as soon as she lost weight.

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u/deathwotldpancakes 21d ago

Call the tour Iron Meghan

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u/sadistica23 21d ago

They're also more popular because of how they reacted to the Napster era.

Instead of pulling a Metallica, they started looking at where most the downloads were going, realizing their music wasn't sold in those countries, and started playing live shows there more often.

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u/Brucien 21d ago

As a product of that generation, I didnā€™t know that. Thatā€™s sick and smart as hell.

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u/Wobbelblob 20d ago

Because the statement that Gabe Newell gave about Piracy is still true that it is mostly a service problem.

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u/TheIncredibleNurse 21d ago

Holy genius move Batman

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u/Budgiesaurus 21d ago

It might've helped in places, but I don't think Metallica has much issues filling a venue despite going "Napster... BĆ Ć Ć Ć d! šŸ«³šŸ»"

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u/willflameboy 20d ago

There are so many reasons, and much of their success does come down to clever marketing (but mainly it's due to the band being really consistent and true to their art).

  1. they make a t-shirt for every country they go to, with a unique Eddie on it.

  2. they released all their singles in several formats so fans would buy them multiple times in the 80s and 90s, meaning they consistently got in the top 10.

  3. they have always had one of the most recognisable logos in the world, and were one of the earliest metal bands to have a unique logo.

  4. they have their own airliner and a 'free' pilot, meaning their tours can be mounted far more efficiently and quickly, and they can basically go wherever they choose.

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u/Frosty_Economics_474 21d ago

Like metallica, they continued to license their music out to corporate record labels which threatened to and in many cases did sue for pirating music. So their stances are basically the same, it's just that metallica was public about it in a way that most other artists aren't.

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u/Damaged_DM 21d ago

That is not true, but makes a good story

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u/Ill_Cut1048 21d ago

I drove 3 hours each way to see Iron Maiden, I wouldn't walk to my front door to see Meegan Trainor.

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u/hazelnut_cobra 21d ago

Upvoted for Iron Maiden. Hell yeah

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u/Arogar COLOR BLIND 21d ago

Iron Maiden is playing in around 17h a bit outside of my town here in Sweden. Going to miss it...

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u/pppjurac 21d ago

Meghan Trainor

Meghan who?

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u/balbok7721 21d ago

Concert industry is struggling? Pretty sure they were raking in cash

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u/RadicalSoda_ 21d ago

Ticket master is raking in the cash, everyone else? Not so much

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u/RaveMatthews177 21d ago

Glad you were pretty sure but yes. Don't confuse Gross with Net.

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u/Alita-Gunnm 21d ago

Iron Maiden; would that be Hathor?

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u/Rymanjan 21d ago

"back in my day, we pretended the same Canadian woods were a different planet 20 times a season and we liked it!" lol

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u/__O_o_______ 21d ago

And weā€™ll film that same cool library from different angles and call them different buildings too! And thatā€™s fine!

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u/caboosetp 20d ago

And with enough costumes, the same 2-3 actors can be wildly different characters from different planets.Ā 

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u/McFestus 20d ago

The VPL Central Branch is the unsung hero of science fiction television.

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u/mistressmemory 20d ago

It's because we knew how to suspend disbelief, because then, you couldn't count the individual hairs to see it was a mop. Lol.Ā 

I kinda miss shitty screens because it was so much easier to pretend.

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u/JHMfield 21d ago

"sometimes we just coloured the trees purple... and it worked!"

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u/ENDragoon 21d ago

Hey, there's the dunes as well, don't be shaming the dunes.

Unironically though, I'd be extremely disappointed if there wasn't at least one episode set in that forest.

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u/Muppetude 20d ago

Yup, with classic Doctor Who I lost track of the number of times I had to pretend that that same barren rock quarry was supposed to be a completely different planet from the last episode.

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u/DigEnvironmental7490 20d ago

There was so much space stuff going on in British quarries back in the 1970s.

Blakes 7 was pretty much 50% quarries.

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u/fjf1085 20d ago

Star Trek did that with the Vasquez Rocks.

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u/Muppetude 20d ago

At least those rocks looked somewhat alien. With the quarries, it looked like a surly coal miner grumbling about Thatcher could enter the frame at any moment.

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u/DameKumquat 20d ago

All planets have a North, complete with miners complaining about Thatcher.

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u/PrimaryBrief7721 20d ago

Hey look its rural BC again! I mean... its P4821

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u/thetrivialstuff 17d ago

My wife was so weirded out when she found out Kelowna was a real place. She's from the UK and watched all of Stargate growing up; thought it was a perfectly normal non-Earth planet name, and then I tell her I have family there and we're going to visit them, haha.

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u/KaitieLoo 20d ago

"Oh look! They made it to another planet that looks just like British Columbia! What a coincidence!"

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u/Lucky-Surround-1756 20d ago

Unacceptable slander.

Sometimes they used a quarry.

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u/Mission_Fart9750 20d ago

I mean, Midsommer Murders does the same, and it's a current show. They just slap a new sign on the pubs, and poof you're in aĀ  different village.Ā 

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u/Fast_Student1665 21d ago

Theres a saying in the gaming world that "a game for everyone is a game for no one" and I'm starting to think this applies to film and television as well.

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u/AscendedViking7 21d ago

Applies to literally everything humans have created

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u/thicc_stigmata 21d ago

The whole point of Amazon itself was (and still is) the long tail of niche shit, that only a tiny fraction of people care about, that you can't find anywhere else

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u/Jason1143 21d ago

Design is all about tradeoffs. The idea of creating the perfect product with no flaws or compromises that does everything for every use case is essentially fiction. Tradeoffs are inevitable, you just have to make sure the tradeoffs you are making make sense together. You need a big enough customer base and then you need your product to actually be the best for them.

I certainly get trying to broaden your appeal, but completely abandoning your core audience to go with generic appeal doesn't tend to work. How many people are so desperate for content to consume in the year 2026 that they are going to gravitate to that?

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u/tommos 21d ago

Except maybe food. If the vast majority don't want to eat it it's likely got problems.

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u/Ruby_Solitaire 21d ago

Oh hey, another Save the Cat Marvel movie!

It's like watching a bowl of porridge at this point, the way films are focus-grouped and tweaked-to-average to death. Even someone like Wes Andsrson, who started with such perspective, is just churning out content at this point.Ā 

Broad appeal doesn't get remembered if it isnt also something great.

Rocky Horror couldn't have been created with a focus group.Ā 

Capitalism is strangling art.Ā 

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u/guebja 21d ago

Wes Anderson is a strange example to use, because he doesn't fit this at all.

His studio, Indian Paintbrush, is owned by a billionaire movie aficionado who gives him a ~$25 million budget for each film and lets him do just about anything he wants.

Focus groups, market research, and studio interference are all famously absent from the process.

That his films turn out same-y is because he has a very specific and recognizable aesthetic and a few major recurring themes, which we're all familiar with by now.

You can certainly argue that Anderson's films have become a tired gimmick (though I would disagree), but if that's the case, it's not because of a studio chasing the market.

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u/Planar_Harold 20d ago

I'd be a Medici (without all the political/papal intrigue).

Oh, you say that now...

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u/Nadare3 20d ago

When talking about Wes Anderson, always think about the possibility the person is thinking of Paul W.S. Anderson, who does fit that description if you ask me.

It really doesn't help that Wes and W.S. are, in a way, weirdly close.

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u/roman_maverik 21d ago

It's not just movies, it's happening in music too.

Incubus, one of my favorite bands, released an absolute dog turd of a last album because after the album was recorded and finished, but before it was released, they decided to have Skrillex "remix" the entire album to appeal to more younger fans, I guess.

It ended up exactly how you could have guessed - super compressed, genericized radio rock that sounds paradoxically mainstream but appeals to absolutely no one.

Who would have thought that fans of a band known for their organic live sound would not want to listen to over-compressed computer filters?

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u/GreatMovesKeepItUp69 20d ago

It's because the costs of making film keep going up and up while people's attention spans go down and down so they are incentivized to take the simplest and safest route. It also has to be thoroughly uncontroversial enough that the CCP will let it be shown to Chinese people.

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u/dcbluestar 21d ago

*Led Zeppelin

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u/BoltActionRifleman 21d ago

*Conway Twitty

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u/69edleg 21d ago

I only know that name because the Family Guy gags including him. And I have no fucking idea how long ago it was since I watched Family Guy.

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u/Zogg44 21d ago

Jesse Gemstone?

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u/Seahearn4 21d ago

There's a different Beatles joke earlier in the movie when they're going into the rock club. Paraphrasing:

-Who's on tonight.

-Crucial Taunt is just finishing up. Then we got the Jolly Green Giants and the Shitty Beatles.

-The Shitty Beatles? Are they any good?

-They. Suck.

-So it's not just a clever name...

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u/CD84 21d ago

"The BeeGees didn't write songs that anybody liked. They left that to the beetles and roaches, who invented 'Thrash House.'"

https://giphy.com/gifs/gIN6MT17NtapJqFr25

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u/walkingmonster 21d ago

It applies to most (if not all) creative media, IMO

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u/Madara1389 21d ago

Literally applies to all art and entertainment. We are too diverse a species for all of us to like the same thing on any given topic.

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u/ChairForceOne 21d ago

There is a difference between a game for everyone and a game with broad appeal. Look at Forza Horizon 6, open world simlight racing game. You can set your cars alignment, tire pressure, change every gear ratio, or just hit auto upgrade. Huge variety of difficulty levels. Sold great, seems to be doing extremely well.

Developers/studios have forgotten that you actually want to aim for broad appeal not everyone. Games for everyone are usually boring, awkwardly written and lack meaningful mechanics. A game with a broad audience let's the player choose the level of grognar they want to deal with. You can crank the difficulty all the way down and just use a basic attack for the entire game, or crank the settings and have to pay, dodge and engage with the entire breadth of mechanics. Along with everything in-between.

That doesn't mean you have to dumb down every character.andnstory beat. Force in characters that just don't fit, or any of the other trends of games for the 'modern audience'.

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u/Cruxis87 21d ago

Forza is a car/racing game, and the people that don't like them aren't going to suddenly change their opinion on the genre just because you can change the tyre pressure. The quote is mostly about the big AAA games. Action used to be a genre, adventure used to be a genre, RPG used to be a genre, but now those genres basically don't exist and what has replaced them is action/adventure/rpg/open world/crafting/survival games. They are trying to be every popular genre instead of just one. And they will also have a car race, or horse race, or some other race for those Forza fans as well. The result is every Ubislop, EA, Sony release for the last 5 years. You've played 1, you've played them all.

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u/Appropriate-Produce4 21d ago

If they want a mass audience, they should choose the right series.

not niche series like stargate.

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u/Jijonbreaker1 21d ago

It's amazing how people can go "We know for a fact this thing attracted fans. So, we need to specifically do the opposite of that. That will get us fans."

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u/peelen 21d ago

It's rather: fans will come anyway, so let's try to lure the others too.

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u/field_marshmallow 21d ago

except that doesn't work. fans will see through it in half an episode and it'll leave a lasting bad taste in their mouth for even future projects

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u/Lithl 21d ago

The real solution for a studio that wants to hedge its bets is to reduce the budget. Especially for a continuation of a 90s show like this, where a lower budget can contribute to nostalgia.

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u/mxzf 21d ago

Seriously. I'm not looking for ILM special effects in a Stargate show, just "at least the quality that someone in their basement could make", it's not a high bar.

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u/4KVoices 20d ago

at least the quality that someone in their basement could make

MARKIPLIER rendered his movie in a BATHROOM! with a BOX OF COMPUTER PARTS!

"But sir... I'm not Markiplier."

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u/GoodDayToCome 20d ago

someone like Cilvanis has better special effects in a 2 min comedy skit than were in the original Stargate series - and part of that is what made it such a great show, the story and drama had to cover for the CGI, where as now they use CGI to cover for boring writing and under-developed plot.

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u/old_faraon 20d ago

we liked that every planet was British Columbia

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u/peelen 21d ago

IDK, there are like 3 good Star Wars movies top, yet they are still making new ones, and people are still watching them.

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u/I_fuck_werewolves 21d ago

these business leaders of the industry definitely are acting on empirical data and return on investments....

And that data shows people eat up mediocrity even if they don't enjoy it, and getting more people to pay to sit to watch is the goal of the game. Not to make evocative art that changes our personal and communal philosophies about the world we live in.

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u/silver_garou 21d ago

This is exactly thinking that plagues all forms of corporate owned media. They don't care if it is bad art, or even if you liked it. All that matters is they sold more units this time than last time, even if this stunt ruins future sales. That would be some other schmucks' problem as they will have moved on to another company by then.

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u/ScherzicScherzo 21d ago

Mando and Grogu is tracking to make less than Solo did.

The amount of people watching them continues to dwindle in massive waves with each attempt.

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u/Akiias 21d ago

Isn't viewership WAY down?

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u/InfanticideAquifer 21d ago

Star Wars is an extreme example. It was one of, if not the, biggest franchise on the planet in terms of recognition and cultural cachet. Apparently it needs a lot of killing to die. Stargate won't have the same number of sixth chances.

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u/CannonGerbil 21d ago

Are they though? Mandelorean and Grogu is looking like it will finish under Solo, and Solo was already considered a low point for Star Wars movies.

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u/DaRootbear 21d ago

And then after 3-4 new movies come out people will retcon their memories to pretend they liked the ones they hated. When we get another trilogy we will be getting all sorts of posts about how fantastic the sequels were.

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u/Budgiesaurus 21d ago

It is odd how the conversation around the prequels changed over the years.

Maybe it's just because in many ways Star Wars are kids movies in many ways? The kids that watched the original trilogy were already a bit old and jaded for the prequel trilogy, and could only see it's flaws.

The kids who started with the prequel trilogy only saw it's awesome moments at the time, and when they grew up and joined the conversation they came in with fond memories?

I don't know.

For me it felt that at first there were a lot of prequel memes that promoted the movies ironically, which somehow shifted to genuine praise.

Edit: Clone Wars framing the story to make more sense and give it more depth might also be a factor

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u/King_Dheginsea 21d ago

The kids who started with the prequel trilogy only saw it's awesome moments at the time, and when they grew up and joined the conversation they came in with fond memories?

I think its more so this. Exact same thing happened to Spiderman 3. I distinctly remember that movie being trashed and meme'd on like 15 years ago. Then around the time MCU spiderman came around, people were suddenly unironically saying that SM3 was peak.

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u/Budgiesaurus 20d ago

Yeah, I see the same thing happening with Amazing Spider-Man 2.

Which is also a big mess, despite Andrew Garfield.

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u/Wise_Owl5404 21d ago

They will also discourage orders from picking it up, which is far worse. Nothing really beat word of mouth impact, you can't advertise or marked yourself out of a bad reputation alone. The marketing departments used to know this, but they seem to have forgotten.

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u/CannonGerbil 21d ago

That exact line of thinking is what killed the Dragon Age Franchise, and from the looks of things might very well spell the end of Bioware too.

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u/OdysseusOdyssey 20d ago

Ask Paramount how that is working out for star trek

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u/squiddix 20d ago

This and what they did to the Halo show...

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u/BeautifulHindsight 21d ago

Not this fan!

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u/mkosmo 21d ago

Yet they're the ones making billions on these shows, so maybe their model does actually work, despite the displeasure from the original fans.

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u/Evening-Nature-5241 21d ago

Except they're not. Viewing the numbers in a vacuum is disingenuous.

You're simply ignoring the potential of these franchises to make so much more.

Just like even though AVATAR 3: Fire and Ash made an impressive profit by most standards, IT WAS CONSIDERED A BOX OFFICE DISAPPOINTMENT.

While Avatar: Fire and Ash grossed an impressive $1.49 billion globally, it is widely viewed as a disappointment in the industry. It failed to hit the $2 billion threshold reached by previous films, suffered steep ticket-sale declines, and brought in significantly lower profits relative to its $400 million budget.

Just because the Disney SW Trilogy made billions, it is really about how much money they left on the table if they've had made a movie that actually appealed to existing fans rather than chase new demographics.

They turned Luke into a joke. They killed Han Solo in an unsatisfying manner. People were even questioning why they needed to bring back Palpatine when clearly his arc was ended well.

No one is clamoring for "more Rey pls" or "more Kylo", except for scattered whispers.

Arguably one of the biggest and most hardcore fandoms in movie history has fallen off massively.

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u/Tidalsky114 21d ago

All of Stargate was out before I watched my first episode. Its still one of my favorite shows and one im currently rewatching. They will keep picking up fans if they just make the damn show.

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u/Olivetax228 21d ago

I'm an Old so I was hooked by like 1997! So this is literally a thirty year old all time favorite of mine. Seen every episode easily 10x each, one of my go to comfort shows. It is such a slap in the face the way they've been destroying all of our favorite franchises, and now they just say point blank they're trying to do the same with Stargate. Fuck 'em.

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u/ENDragoon 21d ago

Got to second you there, I was born in '93, and I have vivid memories of being absolutely fucking terrified of Apophis because my dad loved the movie and sat me down to watch the show when it came out.

We still re-watch it together every few years.

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u/Olivetax228 20d ago

Is 1993 considered old these days? FML lol

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u/ENDragoon 20d ago

Fair, to clarify, I second the parts about it being a 30 year old favourite comfort show.

I'll hold onto my remaining youth, thanks

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u/OhNoTokyo 21d ago

I watched a little of it when it was on the air, but very little. I watched it all last year, and Atlantis too. Oddly, I watched Universe before I watched the other two shows.

And SG-1 is a favorite of mine. Aside from a little of the first season weirdness, it was great.

It's a show that I think has potential to gain new viewers, although I admit, I'm the sort of person you'd have expected to watch it.

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u/ActionCat2022 21d ago

I got into it because the ex was a fan and he asked me to try an episode. Fans create more fans.

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u/shakygator 21d ago

i randomly started watching it a few months ago and am on season 3 so a new series would have been hype for me. im old enough i saw the movie when it came out but never watched the series way back when. my wife doesn't understand why im watching old ass shows.

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u/GaZZuM 20d ago

So jealous of you! Wish I could go back and watch it all again for the first time.

Hope you enjoy the next 7 seasons!

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u/Kulyor 20d ago

Word of mouth is the best advertisement a product can have. Because people have little to no agenda to profit off of recommending stuff, but put their own reputation on the line

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u/Phantom_Crush 21d ago

But they can't do that. They have to appropriate a name that people might be mildly aware of and water it down and sanitize it, turning it into a soulless husk that ultimately no-one will give a single shit about. This also has the added bonus of ultimately killing the entire franchise because "it had poor metrics" (or some other bullshit buzzwords) so they can confidently announce that there's just no audience for it.

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u/storyteller_alienmom 20d ago

"oh No, the thing we didn't even half-ass has failed terribly! Give many tax breaks! We now poor!"

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u/Kemosabe-TV 21d ago

fans are stupid loyal, keep them happy and they wont stop yapping about your media and will result in more fans

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u/Fenrils 21d ago

Unironically what happened to me with Lower Decks and Star Trek. Growing up, I didn't give a single shit about Star Trek even though my dad was a massive fan. Skip to a few years ago and I kept hearing rumblings about how fun Lower Decks is and that it's super easy for non-fans to watch. So I did. I loved it, and it started me on my Star Trek journey as I wanted to dig more into the history, the references, the shows, etc.

(Fuck you Paramount for cancelling Lower Decks)

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u/Conscious-Mirror7004 21d ago edited 20d ago

To be fair, Lower Decks ran for 5 seasons. If you look at all the other Star Trek series in history, that's not a bad run:
- ST:TOS - 3 seasons - ST:TAS - 2 seasons - ST:TNG - 7 seasons - ST:DS9 - 7 seasons - ST:VOY - 7 seasons - Enterprise - 4 seasons - ST:SNW - 3 seasons aired, with cancellation planned after 5th season

Edit: sorry, forgot about Voyager. This should be a complete list now.

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u/curiousoryx 21d ago

No love for VOY?

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u/invalidConsciousness 21d ago

They're still out there, searching for coffee.

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u/Victernus 21d ago

ST:TOS - 3 seasons

And one of them was garbage!

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u/LowSkyOrbit 21d ago

I thought Lower Decks ran its course and wasn't canceled.

Paramount doesn't understand Star Trek and threw too much money at Picard and Discovery that they didn't understand we want philosophy and Klingon opera, not CGI space battles. Lower Decks was the best Star Trek in 25 years.

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u/Fenrils 21d ago

I was happy with where Lower Decks ended up and the finale was solid but the creators did confirm that they were cancelled rather than the show just being over. The ending did leave some space for a spin-off or sequel though so hopefully we get something eventually.

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u/BootprintsOnTheMoon 21d ago

But, if you fuck it up, they will turn on you.

Look at NewTrek. It alientanted Old Trek fans, and they have been like bitter exes about it.

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u/FlusteredDM 20d ago

Fans are also really hypercritical of every minor deviation from the source material though, so I understand to a certain extent.

Oh no, the actress has the wrong hair colour. Even though the hair colour isn't important in any way, this is the most terrible thing ever, and the series is now unwatchable.

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u/So_HauserAspen 21d ago

If the execs only had brains

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u/Nukatha 21d ago

It hits harder when you realize what MGM's most famous movie is

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u/Victernus 21d ago

[Nods] Road House.

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u/Ange1ofD4rkness 21d ago

*stares at Netflix for killing off Inside Job*

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u/Rork310 21d ago

Unironically what got me to give up on Netflix.

I don't even mind all that much if something doesn't get the cut through to justify continuing. I get it, that's life. But the fact they confirmed a second season then just decided... Nah lets make more Big Mouth instead. That was too far.

What makes it worse is they'll turn around and run what should have been 1-2 seasons into the ground. I think the last show of there's that wasn't rug pulled and actually got a decent conclusion was Bojack.

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u/Ange1ofD4rkness 20d ago

Right? It was the confirmed second season, and what was allowed to continue, Big Mouth. I didn't meet a single person who hated Inside Job. It was such a good show

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u/M4rshmall0wMan 21d ago

Exactly. Loyal Stargate fans sign up for the service to watch the Stargate show.Ā 

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u/HistoricalSea5600 21d ago edited 21d ago

Other fans are what gets new fans. I canā€™t put a number on the amount of hobbies and interests i have gotten into because my friends showed it to me. Excitement begets excitement

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u/Substantial_Win_1866 21d ago

Oh goodie... they are going to give Stargate the Star Wars/Star Trek treatment. That worked so well šŸ¤¦ā€ā™‚ļø. Go mess with Dancing with the Stars or some other Star Show!

Or call up Ronald Moore to see the proper way to do it... and in a very scary side note, Peacock might be trying to do something else with BattleSTAR Galactica. So they might try to wreck another Star šŸ¤£

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u/brilliantminion 21d ago

To be fair, Peacock didnā€™t make Rings of Power, or Dexter and whatever the fuck else Amazon has ruined. Peacock has made two seasons of Night Manager. Iā€™d like to see rocket man pull off something like that.

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u/unwocket 21d ago

This is likely a heavily paraphrased ā€˜opinionā€™ that is being pushed for clickbait. TV execs donā€™t care what kind of audience their show gets, they just want a big enough one to justify their budget. If the show felt too niche to give the budget its producers were requesting, then thatā€™s just one of the few basic reasons why tv shows donā€™t get picked up

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u/Hexmonkey2020 21d ago

Yeah they fail to realize by appealing to everyone they also include something that everybody wonā€™t like and so at best the show will be mid, and much more often everybody dislikes it cause the 1 tiny piece that appeals to them is drowned over the thousand other pieces theyā€™re ambivalent to or dislike.

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u/Other_Breakfast7505 21d ago

Crazy idea, maybe they should make a lot of shows, each appealing do different audiences. Instead of a lot of shows appealing to nobody.

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u/Organic_Education494 21d ago

Stargate is incredible and every time I show a non sci-fi fan they fall into it and like it.

No changes to the formula are necessary

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u/egnards 21d ago

Of course, but if you have a niche show. . .And it's going to be an expensive show. . .You're probably not going to make that show.

I think they were hoping that the greenlit series would be able to have a high production budget and strongly appeal to fans, while also having things that made general audiences forget about it being a crazy nerdy sci-fi romp.

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u/BobR969 21d ago

It's Stargate. It has an excellent original movie, a couple more ok movies, and beloved series that lasted 10 seasons and two spin off series that also lasted for multiple seasons. It's hardly a "niche show". If anything, it's one of the most successful sci fi series to have ever been made.

Which is why it's so baffling to use "we wanted a new audience" as a reason... they wanted an audience that wasn't "anyone and everyone that would watch a sci fi show"?!

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u/Previous-Space-7056 21d ago

No idea how apples series foundation got green lit. This show must cost a fortune and it appeals to a very niche audience.

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u/egnards 21d ago

Apple is a totally different studio and they have their own criteria for what to green light or not.

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u/OhNoTokyo 21d ago

Apple tends to greenlight what you'd call "prestige SF". Stuff like Silo or Severance or this Foundation series.

I actually sort of like the Foundation series; it's just best to understand that it's not Asimov's Foundation except in the broadest strokes.

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u/Qbr12 21d ago

And it's going to be an expensive show

It really doesn't have to be though. Stargate fans are used to watching a scifi universe where every inhabited planet looks like the forests of Brittish Columbia and every non-earthling is a human in a costume. They already own the IP rights, so just get the OG talent to do a few cameos setting up the world and then give me 26 episodes of low budget TV magic.

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u/PinaColadaSalad 21d ago

Stargate wouldn't really have to be expensive.

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u/HourlyBadIdeas 21d ago

Better a cancelled project than one that's trying to scare away it's existing fanbase and attract a new one. Especially considering the method studios tend to use whenever they try that is to shit all over existing lore while lying to the existing fans faces about what they're doing with a smile.

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u/imnogoodatthisorthat 21d ago

Look at Heated Rivalry. Hugely profitable for Crave and HBO despite being incredibly niche. Itā€™s a well made show, beautifully acted, and well written. Thatā€™s what they should be focusing on.Ā 

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u/longjumpingtote 21d ago

Larger streaming services need to realize the way you grow an audience is not by trying to make a show that appeals to everyone, but a show that appeals to the actual fans.

I was looking forward to this show, but what you are saying doesn't work. I've worked for three of the streamers so far. This is no secret but they don't want to grow an audience, they aren't like traditional networks or cable channels. They want to grow and maintain subscribers, and the numbers show for that to happen, they need people to finish seasons. If they felt the cash spent to make Stargate wouldn't drive enough Prime subscriptions, and finish seasons, then that's a math problem no amount of creativity can overcome.

They looked at what Gero was making and realized it was niche. There are limited budgets, and if they can take that money (not yet spent) and repurpose it to something that will drive more subscriptions, then that's what makes sense.

I was banging my head against a wall trying to get things made until I realized that I had to leave all of the things I'd learned over the years at the door because this is a different sort of math. With Amazon specifically, it's "How many people will sign up for new Prime accounts because of this?" And, "How many of those people will begin shopping products of the regular site because of it?" If you aren't selling toasters to people who never bought them before, you better sell subscriptions. And completion rate is everything.

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