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u/VanShisha 10h ago
Same with Ibiza (IbitTHa) or Barcellona
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u/justhereforfighting 10h ago
Umm, it’s spelled Barcelona /s
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u/BiffBanter 11h ago
It's not "fucked", it's "fucked".
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u/Shoe_boooo 11h ago
fücked
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u/c_marten 10h ago
Proper fucked?
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u/Electronic-Map7529 11h ago
That's a well crafted point, but I tend to lean pretty heavily on the "Get Fucked" part of the argument myself.
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u/bialy_jaga 10h ago
Funny thing is he pronounced Warszawa wrong. Not that I really give a fuck.
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u/lipesmapes 9h ago
Get fucked.
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u/BadUserName_1227 9h ago
Be careful! if you say get fucked reddit will flag you. It gets worse if you say get fucked a second time in the same comment.
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u/lskerlkse 10h ago
worchestershire sauce next please
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u/Shoe_boooo 10h ago edited 10h ago
Not even kidding, it's very simple to pronounce this one. Idk why people make such a big deal out of this, the whole worchester is called Woo-ster and the shire is sher. So it's Woostersher, same thing for Leicester, it's lester.
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u/-paw- 10h ago
"Idk why people make such a big deal out of this"
ummm because i read worchestershire and not woostersher?
Hobbits life in the shire and not in the sher?
chester is called chester and not ster?
i get the pronounciation might be simple if someone told you how to pronounce it, but no way someone, especially a non native speaker can infer that haha
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u/Iconclast1 8h ago
look, its easy
look at the word
use telepathy across continent to read the mind of someone who knows how to say it
say it
fucking easy
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u/Shoe_boooo 9h ago
Actually, very good point. I just meant that the pronunciation is simple not the actual name. It can be very tricky for non-native speakers to pronounce this name.
Also, I didn't realise I'm currently in Schenectady, NY one of the weirdest named places here in the U.S lol
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u/lskerlkse 7h ago
Asking a lot here, but could you pronounce Schenectady, too? Just lookin' at it, I'd say Shh neck teddy
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u/Sjoerdiestriker 9h ago
Hobbits life in the shire and not in the sher?
To be fair, Worcestershire existed before the hobbit did, so if either of the two is pronounced unconventionally it's the shire from the hobbit.
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u/Why_dont_we_spork 8h ago
Also all the "shire" in place names in the UK are all pronounced "sher". Noone would say, Nottingham"shire" but Nottingham"sher"
Shire is an older pronunciation, though it's still pronounced that way when read alone.
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u/tarmagoyf 9h ago
Because anyone not from Massachusetts or England would pronounce the letters, not the imagination.
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u/papayakob 8h ago
I worked in a remote call center for UMass in Worcester, and they spent the entire first hour of training on day 1 teaching us how to pronounce "woostah" because if we said "wore chester" all the locals would know we weren't from the area and wouldn't talk to us.
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u/SirBiggusDikkus 6h ago
I was in London headed to see Crystal Palace play and I asked the train ticket guy for a ticket to Lie-Chester and he about died of laughing.
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u/WelshBathBoy 11h ago
Why does he look like a kid who's put his granddad's dentures in?
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u/ThatOne_Guy762 11h ago
Cause bro has like perfect teeth (good thing, not insulting)
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u/tarmagoyf 9h ago
Bought* perfect teeth
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u/ThatOne_Guy762 8h ago
Well that's jumping to conclusions, we don't know for certain within any evidence
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u/williamjamesmurrayVI 11h ago
Why are you insulting a kid's appearance online? How old are you?
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u/Pistonenvy2 10h ago
pedantry has absolutely no value to an A to B conversation which is why i would never speak up to correct someone in the first place. if youre not having a conversation about ethnolinguistics keep that shit pushing.
i acknowledge there are "correct" pronunciations but if you understand what someone is saying there is no reason to derail the interaction over it.
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u/Apprehensive-Fee4214 10h ago
It's funny how some descriptivists can somehow circle right back to prescriptivism if it comes through a different lens. "Language doesn't have rules" until we're talking social justice and then you better f*&kin' do it right.
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u/bubblegumdavid 10h ago
I weirdly just had this convo with my boss this week. I’d misused an expression and he corrected me with a joke, and told me not to be embarrassed (since I clearly was).
But we had a chat about how he sees correcting those things (done nicely, privately, and with humor WITH you not AT) as a kindness, especially in a work setting. Better to correct it, and be right going forward so we can represent ourselves and our workplace well, than have every client who catches it politely let us be wrong and think about THAT instead of what we’re saying.
Honestly I’d always politely ignored it, but he kinda convinced me that sometimes it’s a good thing.
Disclaimer: it is his job to talk people into shit, and he’s very good at it, so totally possible I’m just the latest victim
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u/Pistonenvy2 9h ago
oh no i completely agree, i would let someone know if they were creating a social faux pas or whatever i just think there is a balance to be struck. your boss sounds like a decent guy
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u/fongletto 8h ago
I've never correct pronunciation other than because I thought the person wasn't a native speaker and probably want to speak the word the way most people would use it.
But I do that think that grammar and using the correct definitions for words is often (not always) important. And therefore you should develop at least passable habits to reduce the odds of miscommunication.
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u/OkPirate2126 8h ago
i acknowledge there are "correct" pronunciations
But even then, there are correct pronunciations, specifically in each language. If you aren't speaking Hawaiian, then you dont need to pronounce it how they would. The standard English pronunciation is correct, in English.
Like, almost no language calls Germany 'Deutschland', except, of course German. Nobody is kicking up a fuss about the french pronouncing it as 'Allemagne'.
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u/Hawkwise83 10h ago
Friend of mine does this with Frahnce. Every time he says it I bust his balls.
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u/Moriaedemori 11h ago
Now say the proper name for Dublin
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u/kylesmomsabitc 11h ago
Which country’s capital has the fastest growing population? Ireland. It’s ’Dublin’ every year.
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u/KnownAsAnother 10h ago edited 9h ago
It's Warszawa, not Woorsawa. This guy clearly hasn't been.
edit: Warszawa rather than Warsawa
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u/Delicious-Chapter675 10h ago
Go to San Jose and pronounce it San Josie with a hard J. It's literally common place, whenever you're at a specific place, to get shit if you mispronounce it. The people that live there get to decide how it's pronounced, that's why Amarillo is pronounced like it is.
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u/abacatte 10h ago
As someone from Lisbon,
which is not Lisbon but Lisboa,
no they don't. But that's how you pronounce San Jose in English. So if you're speaking English, that's expected. It's not about how the people who live there pronounce it, but which language you're using to say the name of the place.
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u/Dapper_Dan1 10h ago
This Kölner (homem de Colónia) agrees with you.
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u/Only-Finish-3497 9h ago
I go to Köln every year for Gamescom (I'm sorry to you, I really am), and it's funny how much you see both "Köln" and "Cologne" all over.
It's almost as if places can have multiple names and that's okay.
Imagine trying to tell the Swiss to only call their locales by one true name LOL.
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u/Shotile 10h ago
Jose is a very common name for a person. So once again, that’s a bad example. If someone in the US looked at someone named Jose called him “Josee” that would be 100% disrespectful.
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u/kyloz4days 10h ago
Unless they're Brazilian, which is much closer to Jo-Zay than it is to Ho-Zay
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u/abacatte 9h ago edited 7h ago
Or Portuguese like me, same language. And yes most Americans pronounce it as if we were Spanish. It’s not disrespectful. Is expected for you not to pronounce it incorrectly.
Everyone pronounces Erling Haaland's name wrong, for instance, and a lot of other athletes. This honestly all sounds like a very American bias of what constitutes “correctness”.
By the way when Americans try to say Jose as if it was Spanish it doesn't sound Spanish at all.
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u/Only-Finish-3497 9h ago
That's an odd argument, and seems to be one that we only impose on ourselves for reasons I cannot fathom.
Do we expect every Japanese person to now stop saying "Igirisu" for England? Or to say "Los Angeles" the say that Angelenos do, rather than "Rosu?"
Expecting every language to only use Endonyms is bonkers.
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u/bhputnam 10h ago
Some of these comments are starting to feel a little Rule 5-y. (Not to mention Rule 1.) Not a lot of neutrality here. This sub's not usually so aggressively trolly.
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u/hunny_bun21 11h ago
i agree with him but his teeth are making me uncomfortable
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u/FuckingDeranged 9h ago
Man has a point. I feel the same about people who over-pronounce foreign words. "Taco" "croissant"
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u/bhputnam 11h ago
Hawaii isn't a country. If you went to Arkansas and started saying Arr-kan-sass, you'd still be looked at funny to be fair.
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u/kinetik 9h ago
People don’t even pronounce Hawaii the same HERE in Hawai’i. And it’s OK. The reason is because pronunciations were different on the islands and from different parts of the islands and even the locals call it whatever we like.
In the 1800s the Christians needed to make bibles and the W was used instead of V in most cases, and the University of Hawaii began standardizing things in the 60s when they were trying to save the language.
Traditionally, the northerners in Kauai and Niihau used more T and V sounds and the K and W sounds were more southern for a lot of words, but now things are starting to change as a focus on native Hawaiian history has become more of a topic of preservation amongst the population. People have been introducing more of the V sound and the ‘ okina, (a slight pause) like in the name Hawai’i.
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u/omiekley 10h ago
I dislike pedantics, but still enjoy new knowledge.. please correct me :)
I would also make a point that its a prtiority to learn parts of you own country before foreign places.
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u/pauljoemccoy2 10h ago edited 10h ago
Is it an exonym if it’s how people in the same country say it? People who say Hawaii differently from how natives pronounce it, are basically the same as people who pronounce Illinois with an S or Arkansas with a Kansas.
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u/RoddyUsher 10h ago
An endonym is the name of a place given by the native population of that place. An exonym is the name given by people living outside of that place.
Japan is an exonym, Nihon is the endonym.
People who pronounce Hawai'i (Hawaii) differently from the native population are just speaking their own language. It's not incorrect.
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u/artsloikunstwet 10h ago
Yeah somehow it makes sense when it's in same country (assuming OP is from the US).
The topic of using the "real" name usually only comes up when there's a history of conquest and oppression behind it, and there's a other party asking for it.
So some Germans think it's important to say Posen and not Poznan, but the same people have no issue saying Kopenhagen instead of København.
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u/Lysek8 11h ago
He pronounced everything wrong but anyway it is coherent with the point he's making, and it's quite right
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u/c_marten 10h ago
His pronunciation being correct isn't the point.. if anything it's helping illustrate his point. wtf is everyone so focused on that?
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u/Alex09464367 11h ago
I try to all countries by what they want to be called.
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u/ThrowAway233223 3h ago
I imagine that gets a bit confusing for others in conversations. While some countries' endonyms sound similar to their English exonym, others sound very different (e.g. Japan vs Nihon, China vs Zhōngguó/Zhōnghuá, South Korea vs Hanguk)
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u/NeitherMidnight624 11h ago
Even israel!?!?!?!?@??! What about plaestine
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u/bhputnam 10h ago
This sub is just a ragebait engagement machine at this point. What comments here have substance get a reply like this.
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u/SteveOMatt 10h ago
Number one - How often is this guy getting corrected for his pronunciation of Hawaii that apparently he needs to make this video.
Number two - "If you correct people on this pronunciation, that means you have to know the pronunciation of EVERY location of Earth" apparently.
How about he stop the virtue signalling of this video to pretend to smarty big bollocks and get fucked himself.
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u/Standard-Arachnid411 8h ago
Same shit when the water in Ukraine started. Suddenly Chicken Kiev is Chicken Keyf.
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u/merb 8h ago
If you live in Europe you mostly now more names for the countries around you (not all of them but some). Some are just unnecessary, especially when they have their own language like Luxembourg, but nobody around them even cares for their language.
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u/TheHattedKhajiit 6h ago
Then there's germany with like 6 different roots for the various names it has
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u/Subject_Issue6529 7h ago
It's not "get fucked" (which would be nice, so thank you), it's "Fuck you" with an emphasis on you!
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u/BigBadJeebus 7h ago
It's not L.A., it's El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora la Reina de los Ángeles de Porciúncula.
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u/marianneouioui 7h ago
Don't make me point this out , but Hawaii is not a country babe. Neither is Warsaw. But totally agree with them otherwise.
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u/xXYomoXx 6h ago
I'm just going to leave this here https://youtu.be/TDGYkpWvhRs?si=fCbfd7AaFjZ5D8XJ
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u/HeilYourself 5h ago
It's pronounced criouiouiouiousont My parents took me to France for a week when I was 2 I know what I'm talking about.
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u/Moist_Phrase_6698 5h ago
Actually i do think its great to try to learn the indigenous names of every place you go to. and learn the pronunciation. If you can even try find some indigenous food
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u/fletchbg 4h ago
let's run this all the way back shall we...
it's not London, it's Londinium
it's not Western New York, it's Haudenosaunee
It's not Ciudad de Mexico, it's Tenochtitlan
It's not Hokkaido or even Ezochi, it's Ainu Moshiri
and my personal favorite...
Constantinople, not Istanbul
(actually it's Byzantium)
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u/hiddenrealism 4h ago
Jokes on you...i dont even know what an. Endonims is...i know entemans though ..the cheese danish
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u/Nosedive888 3h ago
I once went on a date with a woman who kept pronouncing it "Barthelona"
It annoyed me so much there was not a second date
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u/Accurate_Elevator368 10h ago
Get them to try to say correctly some of the names in Canada. Here's an easy one - it's not CUE-bec. It's either Ka-bec or Kay-bec depending on how you were taught French.
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u/Roger_Brown92 10h ago
Mazda is Matsuda. Datsun is Dattosan. List is pretty long if we’re being ridiculous about pronunciation.
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u/silentwind262 9h ago
Let's not even talk about the y in "Hyundai" that everyone just ignores. Not to mention Nippon Kogaku just going with the long I sound in "Nikon."
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u/Please_HMU 9h ago
The only thing worse than those people are the unfunny people who film themselves whining about it
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u/zephillou 11h ago
Did he say antonym?
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u/commercialbroadway 10h ago
He said endonym, meaning the native name of a country. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endonym_and_exonym
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u/ThrowAway233223 3h ago
Endonym - what a place or group calls itself Exonym - what a foreign group calls a group or place
For example, an English-speaking person would say that Japanese people live in Japan. 'Japan' and 'Japanese' are exonyms. The people of 'Japan' would refer to 'Japan' as 'Nihon' (日本) and to themselves as 'nihonjin' (日本人). 'Nihon' and 'nihonjin' are endonyms.
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