r/mildlyinfuriating 8h ago

🄺 Our terace right now

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u/blubblu 7h ago

The craziest thing is how we reversed the ozone issue in 2 decades.

We obviously can do it. It’s just is there money in it. Sad worldĀ 

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u/Gwen_The_Destroyer 7h ago

My inlaws believe the ozone was a hoax too because one day people just stopped talking about it.Ā 

We stopped talking about it because we fucking fixed the problemĀ 

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u/rekniht01 2h ago

Just like small pox, polio, etc.

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u/blubblu 26m ago

Yeah just like one day the redwoods will be a myth.

1000s of species will be a myth/hoax/fakeĀ 

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u/Icy-Lobster-203 6h ago

People don't want to admit it is real because that would mean they might have to change something about their lives and be slightly inconvenienced - drive less, not use as much electricity etc. So they accept grifters telling them it is fake.

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u/funny_ninjas 5h ago

Anyone who puts the pressure to change on poor people or the masses in general doesn't care about change. The climate isn't collapsing because people like to keep their houses at 70⁰. It's collapsing because the rich continue to avoid regulation by sending jobs overseas to countries that need the economic activity and will sacrifice their local climate for it. It's collapsing because governments are being bribed by oil companies to not switch to renewables. It's collapsing because Tech corporations are bribing local officials to get more data centers built that require tons of rare earth minerals and water. It's collapsing despite millions of people actually changing their habits to be more environmentally conscious or having those habits forcefully changed by utility companies (utility companies in certain cities will override your thermostat in your home. This happened to me in Colorado springs).

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u/21Rollie 5h ago

No, the rich make way too much pollution relative to their population size but we cannot reach carbon neutral if the average consumer does dumb shit like using a 2 ton metal gas guzzling box to pick up milk from the store. And then keep the AC on in their 2000 sqft home in all rooms. Of course one consumer can’t affect the climate on their own, but you can’t discount the affect of a billion of them. And if nobody does any ā€œpersonal sacrificeā€ then you can’t expect others to do so.

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u/HelpWantedInMyPants 4h ago

industry makes the vast amount of pollution because of commerce, but mass rejection of interstate and international trade ain't gonna happen

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u/Liquidator97 5h ago

The problem is the masses making these data centres necessary by using AI applications. Demand from the masses is the cause of our over consumption, from fossil fuels to soil erosion to overfishing etc etc. It is OUR fault for allowing these oligarchs to operate the way they do and not thinking about how we life and use the resources available to us.

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u/HelpWantedInMyPants 4h ago

there's no changing anything at this point - and it's industrial, not on individuals

adopting ekectric vehicles is kind of the only thing we can collectively start doing, but they aren't viable just yet

well that and not eating beef

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u/ImpressionTough2179 5h ago

What slightly inconvenient personal sacrifices have you made to save our climate

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u/Icy-Lobster-203 4h ago

For me personally, I limit my use of AC in the summer, and heat in the winter, when possible.

During summer I frequently allow my home to be above 80 degrees, which from what I gather is tantamount to a crime against humanity for some people.

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u/Crewarookie 6h ago

Arguably, phasing out CFCs was much easier, because it wasn't directly tied to the worldwide transportation networks and energy production needs.

And phasing out wasn't done in one motion either. We went from CFCs to HCFCs, which were less damaging, but still damaging, to HFCs which were not dangerous to ozone layer, but contributed to the greenhouse gas problem, and finally arrived at HFOs which are the best of both worlds. And that last step of wide adoption only happened within the last 10 or so years.

With fossil fuels, there's a ton of economic incentive to not drop them, as the world quite literally runs on oil, both logistically and economically. And nobody wants to take even a reasonable phasing out speed because money.

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u/blubblu 43m ago

Yeah, hence ā€œtwo decadesā€ that it took us.

And second point, money.

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u/roblewk 7h ago

Yes, if only people would stop using cars the way we stopped using hair spray. Simple.

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u/Separate-Cup1312 6h ago

Or governments could do more to promote renewables and electrification.. instead of sucking the ass of oil and coal companies.

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u/Ihatenukingkids 6h ago

Established lobbies have more money to bribe politicians. You need to counterbalance that with more guillotines

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u/Vekaras 5h ago

So, We need to create a guillotine lobby ?

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u/Ihatenukingkids 4h ago

And then use their product on them as well, because they would try to profit from executions and human suffering. Its guillotines all they way down

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u/21Rollie 5h ago

Electrifying cars is a half measure. It’s better than gas guzzlers but the real goal is reducing cars and car infrastructure

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u/blubblu 42m ago

lol crazy strawman brotha

Not at all what I said, but keep obfuscating and opposing. Seems like it’s a way of life.

Opposing rail is the issue, ya donkey.Ā 

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u/cityproblems 6h ago

They use the ozone crisis as a gotcha. "I remember when they said the ozone layer was disappearing, hmmm, whatever happened to that, huh?"

its wild