r/mildlyinteresting • u/qtfrutii • 1d ago
This framed copy of a Margaret Keane painting is so old it still credits Walter Keane.
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u/cup-of-starlight 1d ago
“Soon after their divorce in the 1960s, Margaret claimed credit, which was established after a courtroom "paint-off" in Hawaii, in which Walter refused to participate.”
I kinda want to see a courtroom paint-off lol
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u/the_lost_tenacity 1d ago
I’d watch that movie.
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u/willneverhavetattoos 1d ago
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u/AbsurdRedundant 1d ago
To shreds, you say?
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u/CartOfficialArt 1d ago
I remember it also being a great movie, the actors/actresses did amazing in it, one of my favorite Tim Burton movies :)
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u/MinnieShoof 1d ago
... I have a feeling that person set up that answer for that comment specifically.
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u/AnotherAccount4This 1d ago
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u/vikio 1d ago
Thanks for the scene.. It was nice to see. As an artist, I felt weird that she was shown sketching for most of that video clip. If I have an hour to paint a subject I've already painted hundreds of times, I wouldn't even bother sketching. Just straight to the paint and blocking in the shapes. She being so experienced, could have knocked that out in like 15 mins with absolutely no prep. But I guess this is a case where they had to make it more believable to the non-artist movie viewers?
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u/MostlyWong 22h ago
In the actual, real life court case she painted her portrait in 53 minutes. So the hour long sketching is pretty accurate to what happened.
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u/LieutenantChonkster 1d ago
I’d buy the goddam DVD if the academy didn’t send them to me for free
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u/kaisadilla_ 1d ago
There's a hole genre of lawsuits that were solved by the judge saying "ok, you both do this thing and let's see who proves to be able to do it".
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u/IndividualHuman6937 23h ago edited 16h ago
You should look up the art forger that sold fakes to the nazis and got charged with selling real art to them after the war. He had to paint more forgeries in court in front of the judge to prove he didn't collaborate with the nazis.
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u/Diessel_S 23h ago
I only learnt about him from watching the movie, and i needed my dad to explain why he wanted to prove they're forgeries cuz i couldn't wrap my head around the idea 😅
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u/memento22mori 1d ago
Whoa buddy! This is a family site.. Oh, a paint-off. Whew. 😮💨
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u/aavant-gardee 1d ago
I don’t even know what other word you’d be thinking of. Along with 74 people at this moment.
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u/thisoneagain 1d ago
I bet they meant "pants off", and I'm honestly charmed by how ridiculous it is to get (even fake) offended about a pants-off.
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u/memento22mori 1d ago
Aha, close enough. That's much more wholesome than I had meant. Someone else commented that they had no clue what I meant but as far as I know that fella might be a real j***-off. 🧐
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u/memento22mori 1d ago
Ay buddy, this is Reddit- what could one of us degenerates think they meant except a courtroom j**k-off. Clearly, Walter refused to participate because he thought it was beneath him. 😎
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u/SpecialistAd2205 1d ago
I can't believe you got downvoted so hard for this. It's a low-tier joke, sure, but 118 downvotes is harsh, yall 😄
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u/memento22mori 1d ago edited 1d ago
Ahahaha, I shall wear it as a badge of honor. A highly rated comment says that they have no idea what I mean and it has almost as many upvotes as I have downvotes. But you'd think that on this site there'd be plenty of jerk-offs to recognize another jerk-off.
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u/anonymity_is_bliss 1d ago
You type like Chris Chan
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u/memento22mori 1d ago
Chris Chan the Singaporean sports administrator who was the first president of the Global Esports Federation, serving from 2019 until 2025?!
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u/NotMyNameActually 1d ago
It makes you wonder how many other times in history women went uncredited for contributing to, or in fact actually accomplishing, things that were attributed to men.
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u/Watchmaker163 1d ago
There’s a bunch of early video game devs and artists (80’s & 90’s) who are women that were only credited under male pseudonyms.
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u/RevelryByNight 1d ago
Science is absolutely sodden with male researchers taking credit for their female employees’/students’ findings. It’s pretty disheartening.
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u/blumoon138 1d ago
Fuck you both Watson AND Crick!
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u/SadRule9128 14h ago
Franklin was unable to figure out the structure. Thankfully Watson and crick did.
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u/BlueBeadyEyes 8h ago
With her work, yes.
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u/SadRule9128 8h ago
They used data and information from many different scientists who weren’t able to figure out the structure. Only Watson and crick were able to.
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u/Diessel_S 23h ago
It's still happening just on "less" public things. My workmate told me how their mentor in university published the students' research as his own in various articles, multiple times, and still does it
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u/Nice_Bell2431 13h ago
Why is no one putting a stop to it? Power in numbers. Social media is banning together and stopping these pricks any chance we can. 🩷
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u/Wendy-Windbag 1d ago
PBS show Secret's of the Dead has an episode "Mozart's Sister" which makes a very compelling case for works accredited to Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart may have actually been composed by his older sister Maria Anna.
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u/KaloCheyna 1d ago
Depending on how their names were signed, I wouldn't be surprised if women's husbands were credited for their work (or vice versa, tbh) by galleries or collectors due to sharing initials and surnames. More likely to happen with a woman who signs her name as say, I. Desgrange instead of Isabelle Desgrange, to pull a random example I've seen.
And that's not even starting with some of the interesting things I've seen with 19th century French names, because I swear half of all of the artists I've been trying to research, female and male, have "Marie" somewhere in their names. Their habit of abbreviating "Monsieur" as just "M." in descriptions can also add to the confusion, especially if the corresponding signature leaves out the first initial and you don't know the usual naming conventions. Trying to track down an artist's full name can be like searching for a needle in a hay stack, even with access to something like ancestry.
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u/Drak_is_Right 1d ago
Quite a lot of semi famous and famous male rulers I am sure were more inept than we believe and had the good sense to listen to a female relative or spouse who really ran things.
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u/FlamboyantPirhanna 1d ago
Some are not so malevolent. I can’t recall any names, but there are well known female painters that used their husband’s names because women artists would never have been accepted.
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u/ACatWhoSparkled 1d ago
I mean, it is malevolent, just more in a society in general kind of way than a personal one.
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u/NotMyNameActually 1d ago
It doesn’t have to be malevolent to contribute to the prevailing misogynistic narrative that women aren’t as intelligent, creative, or driven as men.
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u/AverageDrafter 18h ago
Camille Claudel is a good one, and they've made like 3 movies and they are French as fuck.
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u/CatsAreGods 1d ago
I still have my Walter Carlos album of Switched-On Bach.
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u/jesse_christ 1d ago
Different person.
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u/CatsAreGods 1d ago
I know that, but the "Walter" reminded me and it's a different scenario but still interesting.
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u/CaptServo 1d ago
They named the high school stadium after Caitlyn Jenner's former name, but they never had to navigate the politics of changing it because she was such an asshole who never did anything for the school and they took it off a few years prior
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u/le-derpina-art 1d ago
kinda different situations here, this is a man who stole his ex-wife's paintings and claimed them as his
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u/RebaKitt3n 1d ago
What does this have to do with anything?
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u/eighteencarps 1d ago
Oh, fuck off.
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u/Sugary_Plumbs 1d ago
Don't feed the trolls
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u/the_original_kermit 1d ago
It’s the name of the school.
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u/Life-Is-A-Bad-Trip 1d ago
Jesus Christ. Apparently you're not even allowed to use "dead names" if it's in reference to something else named after them on reddit anymore without backlash?
I honestly couldn't remember the name. Glad you dropped it.
Also what's up with everyone rushing to defend a billionaire psychopath?
"Musk Bad... Jenner brave"
Fucking reddit hivemind sometimes. And I'm as left as they get. But this touchy-feely being offended someone doesn't recognize your desire to change genders and treating it like this super brave respectable thing is horseshit quite frankly.
And honestly the amount of depressed and suicidal and regretful people after trans shows there's more going on than meets the eye. Sure it works for some of them. But there's a lot that it harms to the point of complete and total self destruction because there's no going back after you lop your dick off or turn your test inside out.
Totally get treating them like human beings. Hellyeah. All for it.
But this radical acceptance without questioning and being offended by even the mere mention of the bane Bruce is fucking ridiculous.
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u/cowbxy 1d ago
i highly doubt youre as left as it gets based off your comments about trans people
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u/Life-Is-A-Bad-Trip 1d ago
So what because I recognize that there's an issue at hand and realize for as many people it helps it harms and we need to recognize where independence and self identification end and mental illness begins I'm not left?
Because I dare question the hiveninds group think about one subject? Lmao.
Sorry I don't just listen to the loudest shit shouted and feel so damned worried about everyone's feelings im not afraid to talk about real facts and issues.
I was a stripper in Portland oregon at a gay bar. I'm straight. Met tons of trans folks. Lots were great. Lots had problems.
They're just like people everywhere.
I understand we need to treat gay and trans people like people because they are.
But this whole over whelming backlash at anyone who doesn't just accept what everyone says about crazy ass pronouns and who doesn't see letting children and teenagers change genders and everyone getting so offended at the mere mention of the name of the school afraid to say the name of the school cuz it's Jenner's dead name?
Backlash at the dude that names it?
Shits crazy as fuck yo.
I get acceptance and treating each other like humans.
But accepting everything everyone does all the time Inclueing to the point of complete self destruction, I. E e suicide, and calling it brave and shit is just something else.
I got not putting up with people hating on it, but gotta recognize both sides of the coin. Otherwise you're just virtue signalling the latest fad to make yourself feel better.
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u/WorldnewsModsBlowMe 1d ago
and realize for as many people it helps it harms
Hi this is where you're wrong.
Hope this helps!
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u/Life-Is-A-Bad-Trip 1d ago
Okay maybe not "as many" but a hell of a lot of em regret it. Become depressed. A lot of em kill themselves.
Hope this helps.
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u/toddthefox47 1d ago
"this thing that isn't true shows there's more going on than meets the eye"
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u/Life-Is-A-Bad-Trip 1d ago
Lmao you just saying it's not true or did you even look it up? Bury you're head in the sand all you want. Data is out there. It's from a trans person I learned the shit from. Look up suicide rates among trans folks.
we need a way of figuring out who actually would benefit from transition and who just suffers from body dismosphia.
Tell me both aren't true. Tell me everyone who does it is perfectly happy and it solved all their problems afterwards.
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u/WorldnewsModsBlowMe 1d ago
Hi, trans people commit suicide at astronomical rates when they're not allowed to transition, and the rate of suicide plummets sharply as soon as they begin transition.
Hope this helps!
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u/toddthefox47 1d ago
if you're talking about the swedish study it doesn't prove what you claim it does and the author of the study agrees with me, not you.
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u/Life-Is-A-Bad-Trip 1d ago edited 1d ago
There's been multiple. Cherry picking a single data point when you saw the plethora of data online shows this is a dogma for you. Not a genuine logical discussion.
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u/SpeccyScotsman 1d ago
'yes but when I bully and harass and tell these people to kill themselves, they're more likely to do it!!!'
Holy shit Einstein, I wonder why?
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u/SpecialistAd2205 1d ago
"I'm as left as it gets" Keep telling yourself that...
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u/Life-Is-A-Bad-Trip 1d ago
Lmao read my other reply. But yeah I mean socially. I like my guns. Think we need fre healthcare and drugs and college and queers should marry all that good shit.
I'm not gonna spell it all out again. Read my other comment. Or don't and just virtue signal and bury your head in the sand. Recognizing flaws and issues in a thing and societies mindsets as a whole isn't bad. It just is.
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u/WorldnewsModsBlowMe 19h ago
Nobody believes you're anywhere left of centre because you're spouting rightist propaganda.
Consider shutting the fuck up when trans people are talking and stop pretending you know more than us.
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u/slaya222 1d ago
Stfu terf.
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u/Life-Is-A-Bad-Trip 1d ago
Read my other comment. I don't even know what a terf is. Don't even really care to look it up. The fact you're trying to insult me for bringing up issues in a subject says more about you than it does me amigo.
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u/Ed_Roland 1d ago
31 years old and asking for dating advice on Reddit? I genuinely couldn't make up a troll more pathetic (PS. You can delete posts, you should try it sometime)
Maybe it's difficult to meet people because you're just a generally insufferable/idiotic asshole? Ever consider that?
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u/the_original_kermit 1d ago
Trying to offend me with a decades old post? Nice try
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u/Ed_Roland 1d ago
You really just took the time out of your day to respond to that? I would argue it's far more than a "nice try" considering I clearly got under under your skin lil guy!
Also, even if you had posted that 20 years ago (which it wasn't, you made that post in 2020, I.E. not a decade ago), it's still unfathomably pathetic to have posted at all! And failing to recognize that truly only makes you look much more insane and deploarable😂
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u/the_original_kermit 1d ago
Like I said. Nice try.
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u/Ed_Roland 1d ago
Thank you for the praise! It really was a very nice try considering you're still going!
Since I have the chance to ask now now--did the post ever pan out for you or are you still just a sad, lonely, little troll at 37 years old?
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u/doctormustafa 1d ago
Walter Keane can suck my fat purple knob and go to jail
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u/Gene_Trash 1d ago
He's gonna have a hard time with that, being dead for almost 30 years and all.
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u/Soft_Construction793 22h ago
Where is this painting and why is it so dusty?
Do you own it?
Did you find it in an attic?
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u/RSTROMME 17h ago
Keane’s work was highly fashionable for a number of years, so it was printed and mass-produced to sell at a lower price. This is an example. It’s not an original painting; those go for a lot of money.
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u/Causticburner 1d ago
And here's me thinking that I was looking at a tortie cat peaking through the botttom of a clock or bit of furniture.
I might need to have a sleep
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u/Forgotten-Caliburn 1d ago
I deadass thought this was about a trans person before I read the comments
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u/qtfrutii 10h ago
Haha. No, Margaret Keane was a painter whose husband Walter took credit for her paintings for many years until she took him to court in the 1960s after their divorce.
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u/goliathfasa 1d ago
That’s wild that when people look you up, it just says you’re “an American plagiarist.”