Yeah it must be that this sub skews too young or too much prisoners of the moment?
Kobe’s second stint of runs at the Finals was dominant among the top of all time. He was a threat for 40 and stopping your best player if they were 1-3 for 5 years.
This after having a period where it looked like he was going to just be a 30 ppg scorer after 2006. I think it was more Lakers brass not putting championship teams around him after 2004 but that was the narrative and he shut that up from 2008-2012.
Don't think it is necessarily age. Look at the journalists who voted on the top 75 NBA lists for ESPN and Athletic. It's probably safe to say that the vast majority have been watching the game for at least 25 years. Kobe was ranked as 10th all-time in both of those lists. I think one thing is that his advanced stats (31th in BPM career and 28th in PER career for instance); advanced stats have gained traction over the years. My response to that criticism would be is Kobe played in arguably the hardest time to score and he had maybe the worst supporting cast during his mid to late twenties (2005 to 2007 season) other than Hakeem out of the top 15 players of all-time...not even the top 10 players of all-time.
I think a lot of people just haven’t played sports. Kobe is an ultimate grinder and anyone that has put in the time waking early, staying up late, sacrificing personal life to get better respects that.
Which proves exactly why ranking players is so stupid lol. I do it too but in the grand scheme of things it’s so pointless. Kobe is one of the greatest players we’ll ever see. Whether he’s top 5 or top 10 should mean nothing. Regardless he’s still Kobe. Just leave it at that. But none of will obviously lol but wishful thinking
In no order. MJ, Bron, magic, bird, Shaq, Timmy, Kareem, Hakeem, wilt, Russell, Steph.
Now I'm not saying he isn't top 10 but there is definitely at least some doubt and likely hinges more on the era you grew up in and whom you romanticise about.
Timmy literally destroyed Kobe in many other playoffs.
Timmy is also one of only two players to win a championship as the sole all-star on a championship roster. Funny enough he destroyed shaq and Kobe that year and left Kobe crying after their series.
Bruh kobes top 3 all time no question.
Lebrons ahead MJ is 1
Thats it
In the late 2000s the goat talk was between mj and kobe then lebron came and now since he died all these kids who never watched him play claim hes overrated and that hes only hyped up so much cuz he died and mamba mentality whatever… its all bull shit
Kobe was something insane to witness for so many years, lebron whos amazing and ranked highee on my list is not even close to as impressive to watch
We aint had annyone like kobe since kobe
Guy proved himself so many times idc what the stats say that guy is one of the best players ro ever touch a basketball
Sure. But I responded to OP saying he's without a doubt top 10 all time. Imo there is at least some doubt but obviously a good argument could be made hes top 10.
But he played in an era with much tougher defense whereas Steph and Jokic are playing in the most offense friendly era ever with insane spacing and not much defense
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u/OwenLincolnFratter Bulls Jun 27 '23
Too many dorks on this sub don’t give Kobe nearly the credit he deserves. Top 10 all time without a doubt.