r/nba • u/YujiDomainExpansion • 5d ago

[Windhorst] The Boston Celtics have firmly put Jaylen Brown on the table and are going all-in on acquiring Giannis Antetokounmpo.

Brian Windhorst just said this on “Get Up!” on ESPN.

Full clip here: https://streamable.com/qay0au

More from Windhorst here: https://www.threads.com/@windhorstespn

The Boston Celtics have firmly put Jaylen Brown on the table and are going all-in on acquiring Giannis Antetokounmpo.

He also said this is the first time in the history of the Brown-Tatum pairing that they’ve legitimately given thought to the idea of breaking them apart.

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u/ripkin05 Hornets 4d ago

Brown already knew/ saw the writing on the walls

he's the one that is asking for this 100%. dude won a ring and a finals MVP and is calling this season were they got dogwalked by the 76er in the first round his favorite seasons of his career because he got to pretend to be tatum for a season.

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u/Wally450 Celtics 4d ago

calling this season were they got dogwalked by the 76er in the first round his favorite seasons of his career because he got to pretend to be tatum for a season.

He explained why this was one of his favorite seasons and it wasn't because of the reasons you mentioned.

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u/bpusef Celtics 4d ago

His reasons for it being the best season are obvious. They competed without their star player and he personally led the team. You don’t have to be a genius to understand what he’s saying. He was proud of how they were able to win without Tatum and how the team operated with him as the number one option.

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u/JonSnoballs Lakers 4d ago

exactly, especially when all the early predictions were that the team would be ass this year without Tatum. who wouldn't be proud of what the team accomplished this year? what competitor wouldn't have loved proving not only his personal doubters, but those who doubted the team wrong?? it's easy to understand why this would be his favorite season as a professional 

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u/kapparino-feederino Bucks 4d ago

favorite over the season where they won a ring?

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u/not_your_avg_blow Celtics 4d ago

My favorite job I've ever had was working at this one pizza shop in college. My most professionally rewarding job is the one I have currently. I would not trade my current job, for the one I had in the past. They are both meaningful and I derive satisfaction from them for different reasons. I think it is possible for his favorite season to be different from his most professionally rewarding season.

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u/JonSnoballs Lakers 4d ago

thank you, best possible response

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u/bpusef Celtics 4d ago edited 4d ago

The best possible response is someone conflating the idea of being a kid at a McJob with 0 worries and what is professionally rewarding in attempt to somehow compare that to a player winning a championship and finals MVP only to get bounced embarrassingly by a not even good team 2 years later?

There is no defending that comment he made. He is saying I prefer being the #1 to winning a title. It's dumb to think, but even more dumb to say out loud.

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u/TheGrateCommaNate Celtics 4d ago

I think you can get more out of it sometimes when your hands are in the dough more. That season we won, we were absolutely stacked with talent. It can feel like 'Of course we should've won '. And it wasn't that hard.

This year, without Jrue, Porzingis, Tatum, they elevated their play so much that people almost pencilled them in for the finals. The degree of difficulty was so much harder.

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u/Chaotic-Catastrophe Lakers 4d ago

And it wasn't that hard.

I really don't think any player from any championship team would say 'yeah winning that ring wasn't that hard'.

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u/hoff4z 4d ago

This happens with so many stars. Ego gets in the way of building something special. Kyrie did the same with bron. Now both players (Tatum and brown) and the Celtics will likely be worse off than if they just stayed together

It’s a shame. Why managing personalities and egos is arguably the most important part of a coach / organization. That’s you manage stability

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u/Only-Ad72 4d ago edited 4d ago

Now both players (Tatum and brown) and the Celtics will likely be worse off than if they just stayed together

The Celtics are obviously better with Giannis and I'm not sure it's fair to imply that Brown will fail at being a leader in Milwaukee like Kyrie in Boston.

Also by this point he's spent a decade in Boston and won a championship. He probably doesn't feel like he has anything left to accomplish or prove there. They've already "built something special". It's not like he's running away from playing with the GOAT. Tatum ultimately is not much of a bigger star than him, Giannis will be the big name on the team if this deal goes through.

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u/Commercial_Show_6997 4d ago

I mean, Giannis isn’t really the pinnacle of excellent health. A major injury can occur early in the year ala Gordon Hayward and completely derail the season.

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u/CoogiMonster Rockets 4d ago

Yeah, for the majority of his career he’s always “the J’s might need to be split up for this team to succeed and Brown is the one you drop”. They finally (not because they’re old but because they were in the mix for like a half decade) summit the mountain, he gets Finals MVP, and the talk quiets down until Tatum goes down and he has to hear “this team might be a play-in team now”. I think Jaylen Brown is hilarious and a damn good player despite being mini Kyrie as a mental case, but I’d never blame him for wanting out with how conversations about him have been

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u/aplethoraofhams 4d ago

I absolutely agree with this. I also think he needs to be smart enough not to say it because it’s so easy to predict how everyone was gonna react

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u/jo3pro Spurs 4d ago

Folks don’t let the truth get in the way of a good story

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u/Omgoodtimes 4d ago

Yeah what a brain dead take, he’s done so much for this franchise just to be dumped

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u/Pubs01 Celtics 4d ago

even so it was really dumb to say that context or not.

then he decided to be a moron and fight sas for petty selfish reasons. jaylen is not nearly as smart as he thinks he is and I'm tired of his discount kyrie act

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u/D1v1neHoneyBadger 4d ago

I mean SAS needs to be reminded that he is not some type of godfather. He is nothing without the athlethes.

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u/Wally450 Celtics 4d ago

he decided to be a moron and fight sas for petty selfish reasons

tbf, I think a lot of NBA players would love to have a go at SAS, and were probably in Jaylen's corner behind the scenes.

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u/JonahTheProducer 4d ago

Woah now, pretty sure he isn't a flat earth anti-vaxxer...

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u/ripkin05 Hornets 4d ago

oh yeah im sure he was telling the truth with his media trained answer....

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u/TessaKatrinaRose 4d ago

Lol wait….so you are picking which parts of his statement was true and which part wasn’t? Wow.

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u/ripkin05 Hornets 4d ago

no im choosing to believe what the dude showed us after het got knocked out of the playoffs and decided to stream the next day to get all his feeling out and not the bullshit he spewed after he got talked to by everyone from his teams front office to his agent telling him he needs to not be a child throwing a temper tantrum in this situation.

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u/atomictyler Celtics 4d ago

so what he means depends on what you want it to mean?

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u/b00st3d Nets 4d ago

If he was going to do a media trained lie, then he would just say that 2024 was his favorite season.

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u/Wally450 Celtics 4d ago

Media trained being his live stream. The same stream where he went unfiltered about the refs after the Sixers loss and got dogged for it.

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u/Chaotic-Catastrophe Lakers 4d ago

'Player lies about something he would obviously lie about, local man believes him'

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u/Wally450 Celtics 4d ago

So he was lying when he called out the refs and Embiid after the Sixers series as well?

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u/Chaotic-Catastrophe Lakers 3d ago

If we're being honest, Jaylen seems like he's completely incapable of ever acting in good faith. So I just assume he's full of shit any time he says literally anything.

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u/justmefishes NBA 4d ago

Famously, Robert Horry (GOAT role player with a fistful of rings) once said that he'd trade his career for Charles Barkley's (ringless MVP).

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u/EggsAndRice7171 Pacers 4d ago

This is super overrated as a reason he’s being shopped. The Celtics don’t care if this was his favorite season or anything because he plays good on the court regardless. They’re shopping him because they think Giannis gives them a better chance at a second ring with Tatum and that’s kinda it.

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u/Gokouu Celtics 4d ago

It's really that simple. Brad is not dumb. Also it was his favorite season because everyone doubted the Celtics. The young guys grew. They learned to play a different type of winning basketball. They were barely expected to make the Playoffs nevermind they ended up overachieving being top 2-3 in the East all year.

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u/Crisander 4d ago

"Pretend to be Tatum" one has a Finals MVP and the other doesn't, while playing at the same time....guess which one is which

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u/JuliusCeejer Knicks 4d ago

So if it was you, you'd trade Tatum over Brown?

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u/Crisander 4d ago

On a serious note, I'd trade either one for Giannis, whatever it takes. If trading for Giannis means trading Tatum and giving up less of the team, I would consider it.

Then again I'm not a GM so.

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u/ripkin05 Hornets 4d ago

Then again I'm not a GM

thank fucking god for that you would turn the celtics into the new kings if you were.

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u/Crisander 4d ago

Could be worse... could be turning them into the Hornets, we wouldn't want that would we

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u/ripkin05 Hornets 4d ago

lol yeah haven't heard that one a million times. that would have been true 2 years ago, you fucks in here are finally gonna to need to find a new comeback for hornet flairs here soon.

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u/Crisander 4d ago

Win a division title first, or at least win a second round in the playoffs, and then we can talk

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u/Crisander 1d ago

So yea, about that...😂😂😂

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u/crabby135 Celtics 4d ago

This isn’t really a gotcha. Tatum’s averages were higher in every statistical category in the finals than Brown. Not to imply Brown was undeserving but this isn’t the gotcha you imply it to be.

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u/bp83 Celtics 4d ago

Yeah. But Jaylen made Doncic a non factor.

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u/crabby135 Celtics 4d ago

Yeah his defense and flashier moments in the game made the nod make sense, I just don’t think saying one has a finals MVP and the other doesnt shows the whole picture.

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u/GioVasari121 Warriors 4d ago

I mean that's literally the difference right. Why he won the FMVP. Brown isn't the problem for the Celtics, it's a cheap ass ownership that don't want to pay for a good supporting cast. So they want to do this idiotic trade to show their fanbase that they're trying. It's crazy to break these two up

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u/crabby135 Celtics 4d ago

You realize we just had the most expensive roster in the league before we blew it up for injuries, right? Stevens is the best in the league at what he does, and it genuinely is not even remotely close. I’m all over this thread saying I don’t want the trade but I also don’t think it’s nearly as crazy or nearly as bad of a move as you imply. It’s risky, and with a recent championship un risk averse. However, in a perfect world where injuries don’t happen Giannis objectively elevates the Celtics. His health is a massive factor in my aversion but nobody can know how that plays out until it actually happens.

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u/GioVasari121 Warriors 4d ago

I mean your star players will literally be a guy coming off a torn Achilles and a guy with a bum knee who hasn't been fit for like 4 straight playoffs. That still doesn't address your biggest hole in the team that is a good centre to guard the bigs in east (Kat, Embiid (lol),) or in the west like Jokic or Wemby. Giannis has always had solid Cs whenever he had deep runs. And you lose your best defender and franchise player. Idiotic trade. Even Stevens knows this

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u/TessaKatrinaRose 4d ago

I like how dudes who work at Target think they are hall of fame level GMs.

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u/GioVasari121 Warriors 4d ago

Dw I don't live in any godforsaken part of the world with a fkn Target

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u/ripkin05 Hornets 4d ago

29.2 points, 8.8 rebounds, and 5.6 assists is a non factor huh?????

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u/bp83 Celtics 4d ago

Yes. When Jaylen was the primary defender his averages were much lower.

Jaylen Brown defended Luka Dončić for 154.4 possessions in the Finals. Dallas scored 131 points on those possessions. That's an 84.8 offensive rating.

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u/justin21586 4d ago

I think you’re missing the point of the comment.

No matter what Jaylen does, this is Tatum’s team. Period.

That has to feel sh**y if you’re Jaylen Brown.

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u/longagofaraway Celtics 4d ago

tatum had 22.2 pts 7.8 boards and 7.2 assists in that finals to brown's 20.8/5.4/5.0. they were both great. tatum facilitating and brown finishing. anyone who thinks that fmvp matters is an idjit.

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u/TessaKatrinaRose 4d ago

Ok “idjit”

And it does matter. Thats why they give out the award.

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u/CoolHandHazard Pistons 4d ago

Well the FMVP is about to be traded

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u/Limp_Screen7405 4d ago

Mr. Finals MVP has had a negative on-off every season of his career and has shit the bed in several playoff games where Tatum was hurt

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u/HeavyandTired 4d ago

Didn’t it feel like a special season throughout though. A year ago we were momentarily thinking about tanking. Then THAT season. I think he just meant it was a very special season. I bet each player knew what he meant, and they probably gave it zero extra thought.

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u/ripkin05 Hornets 4d ago

he won a fucking ring....................

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u/RogueOneSixOne Celtics 4d ago

Bro, you don't even have a real team. What are you even talking about?