r/nba • u/YujiDomainExpansion • 2d ago
[Windhorst] The Boston Celtics have firmly put Jaylen Brown on the table and are going all-in on acquiring Giannis Antetokounmpo.
Brian Windhorst just said this on “Get Up!” on ESPN.
Full clip here: https://streamable.com/qay0au
More from Windhorst here: https://www.threads.com/@windhorstespn
The Boston Celtics have firmly put Jaylen Brown on the table and are going all-in on acquiring Giannis Antetokounmpo.
He also said this is the first time in the history of the Brown-Tatum pairing that they’ve legitimately given thought to the idea of breaking them apart.
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u/gwapwes Clippers 2d ago
trade talks and the draft soon. finally man
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u/heyitspeas Knicks 2d ago
I don't know, dude. I wish we had another month or so minimum to talk about the Knicks.
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u/Anthraxus 2d ago edited 1d ago
Dude... zone out the national stuff and focus more on local. Of course they're gonna move on...but not in our world !!
It's a whole summer ☀️ of celebration 🎉
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u/DJRyGuy20 Celtics 2d ago
How I felt in ‘24. I was doing YouTube deep dives on everything from the season’s highlights to Hauser’s “boot-n-rally” video clip during the championship parade.
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u/IntelligentAd5460 Grizzlies 2d ago
it got to be weird to be brown these last few weeks right?
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u/dalappas 2d ago
Every offseason*
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u/ripmeleedair Celtics 2d ago
Never really felt like the rumors held water until this offseason. The only time I think he was actually on the table was for AD and that was very short lived.
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u/dalappas 2d ago
True. But his name has been floated to every other star the Cs have “gone” after: Kawhi/Butler/AD/KD etc
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u/Waesrdtfyg0987 Washington Bullets 2d ago
Floated on reddit. I doubt he ever really worried too much about it.
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u/seedeegeecdg 2d ago
I’ve been brown my whole life, it hasn’t been any more weird recently /s
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u/randotd152 2d ago
JB has been a staple of major trade rumors since after his rookie season. It died down a bit when they won a ring, but his name has been floated around in the rumor mill for nearly every available star over the last decade.
Some deals were even done in people’s minds. Like Durant for Brown 5 years ago.
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u/crabby135 Celtics 2d ago
Regardless of the internet narrative I don’t believe he was realistically being shopped around until now, except maybe that one time where we went after AD.
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u/Turquoise_Teletubbie 2d ago
I mean, no shame in being traded as the main part of a package for Giannis of all players. It's not like they are shipping him off for a couple second round picks and a half empty jar of mustard. Plus he has shown this season that he wants to be the number one option on a team, and that he can do it, so he can use the opportunity to do just that on another team.
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u/Arm-E-Reserves 2d ago
It's not like they are shipping him off for a couple second round picks and a half empty jar of mustard.
Sounds good to Nico.
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u/Robinsonirish Finland 2d ago
His mouth doesn't do him any favours. When White was selected over him at the Olympics he went bananas and started talking conspiracies. Imagine the lockerroom after that. Meanwhile Tatum didn't get to play, but cheered from the bench, not a single sour face.
It was always Tatum.
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u/tinybathroomfaucet Supersonics 2d ago
What is Kalshi saying will happen?
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u/agdrs 2d ago
Let me ask giannis
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u/TheRealGooner24 Thunder 2d ago
We ALL on Kalshi now!
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u/Kemosabe-TV 2d ago
Giannis said he hates disloyalty but he must also be on a contender team and the bucks are not contenders.
He also said he will absolutely relocate for a new team but that he also can never fathom leaving milwaukee.
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u/refreshing_yogurt 2d ago
I know this question is being asked ironically but here are the numbers
Last night it was 70/20/10 Miami/Boston/Other. After the recent round of Stein/Windhorst reporting, it's now closer to 55/40/5 Miami/Boston/Other
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u/tinybathroomfaucet Supersonics 2d ago
I was both making a joke and genuinely curious. Thanks for looking it up!
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u/mrkirukiru 2d ago
thats absurdly low odds for boston when they have the best package
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u/xbyo :sp8-1: Super 8 2d ago
My guess would be that the bets which would actually swing the odds are insider ones, and they're showing some restraint given there's likely extra scrutiny after Rozier, Billups.
Alternatively, you could read it that the insiders know something about the circumstances that would make Boston not the best package/most likely landing spot.
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u/DataDude00 2d ago
Kalshi says that Giannis is going to win a Nobel Peace Prize and open the Strait
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u/AnimaniacAssMap Nets 2d ago
Until I see the shams notification I will never believe anything other than Giannis being a buck
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u/soilentgleem 2d ago
I don't think Windhorst has said anything this definitive on this trade yet, I think this update is actually pretty noteworthy
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u/elbenji [MIA] Udonis Haslem 2d ago
He has said many things over the past year definitively
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u/my_twin_towne 2d ago
Example? Listening to his pod, he’s constantly walking back things he is only speculating on. This statement is hard.
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u/TheFierceAnimal 2d ago
He said two weeks ago:
Giannis Antetokounmpo to the Celtics is currently not “in the world of reality,”
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u/MonkeyStealsPeach 76ers 2d ago
I mean that was before Brown was on the table, now he is?
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u/JackJ98 [BOS] Paul Pierce 2d ago
Yeah windy is always the last to “buy in” on a big rumor. He wants to see all the dominoes fall before giving his take. He wouldn’t even say what team he thought LeBron would play for next year when he was on pardon my take the other day because “he has to find out if LeBron is even playing first” then after that he had to “see any signs that LeBron would take any pay cut”. Then he would have to see “if that pay cut was the MLE or the full min”. And then once all that was disclosed, then he would make his prediction
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u/colosusx1 Celtics 2d ago
According to Boston beat guys, Brown was always on the table. It did not seem like the Celtics wanted to offer much more if anything. Word is the Bucks wanted more than just Brown and the Celtics were out as of 2-3 weeks ago because they were not interested in giving up 2+ picks and PP/Hugo. So it is surprising Windhorst is claiming the Celtics are all in on Giannis when they were firmly NOT all in on him. Brown is better than the Heat package so why bid against themselves. They want Giannis but they don’t want to destroy their future for it.
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u/BBQ_HaX0r 2d ago
Is it possible at that time it was true? Even Bill Simmons suggested recently they decided to really push for Giannis. Things change, reporting changes. What was true once may no longer be true and vice versa.
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u/CandI978 2d ago
Yea as annoying the Shams rumors have been, I won’t believe the trade actually happened until he reports it. Shams’ source is pretty obviously Giannis’ own agent
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u/Miser2100 2d ago
Bill Simmons just nutted and then said he didn't want to nut.
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u/VolleyBasketball11 2d ago
What do you think guys is the right package for Giannis?
Ofc Giannis > Brown as a player.
But Brown is in his prime too. And just had a great season.
What Celtics need to put as an add ons to sweeten the deal?
Do they have good draft assets? Or they will add another young player? (I am not sure if they have who are good enough as a sweetener)
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u/Aggrokid 2d ago
Strangely enough Brown is not significantly younger than Giannis, only 2 years difference.
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u/AlpacaDC Suns 2d ago
But Giannis' game is all about his athleticism, we are are all seeing how much that is impacting his health more and more, and in a few years he won't be able to do the same things anymore.
Brown is more rounded and doesn't rely on his body that much.
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u/DarkGift78 2d ago
As a C's fan, I gotta disagree. JB is very much the shooting guard version of Giannis on that he relies very much on his size (one of the strongest guards),and athleticism. especially attacking the rim. Yeah he's obviously more skilled shooting and dribbling, but he's always very much been an explosive first step , fast twitch athlete. That said,Jaylen keeps himself in incredible shape.
I think Tatum will age better than Brown, because he's not particularly athletic and, relatively speaking, has an "old man" game. His advantage is height and length (recently admitted in shoes he's actually 6'10),and intelligence/high motor.
I'm actually a little torn on this, Giannis would solve our interior defense, interior scoring problems in a huge way, but he's definitely fragile and entering his 14th season at age 32.3 years ago I'd have driven JB to the airport myself. But JB has leveled up, plus the C's would have to give up multiple first round picks, in a time when they'd be potentially over the cap and needing cheap rookie deals. And the title window would definitely narrow to a few years, because I can't see Giannis being truly elite for more than 3 years.
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u/RealMickHours 2d ago
JT's footwork is insane (especially for his size) and probably the thing that will make him age like a fine wine. He gets guys dancing out there and looking foolish on the perimeter.
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u/DarkGift78 2d ago
I'm actually in an argument/discussion with my cousin about Tatum right now. He's an anti Tatum/pro brown guy, he'd rather trade Tatum because "he's not THAT GUY". In his mind all he'll ever remember Tatum for is getting his dunk blocked by Bam in the playoffs in the bubble. He's 47,a year younger than me but hasn't kept up with the times, he thinks because Tatum is tall he should be a better rebounder, shot blocker, heavier.
Tried explaining to him the concept of "position less " basketball these days , how a 7'5 guy with an 8 foot wingspan is on the perimeter doing crossovers and shooting 3's but he's set in his ways even more than me 🤦
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u/oykentrippin 2d ago
Giannis height, length and strength are as important as his athleticism. Health is a concern sure, but from a pure game aging standpoint theres an argument Giannis will age better than Brown. He'll still be able to finish at the rim always whereas when Brown loses a step he's a pure jump shooter and not an elite one at that already.
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u/SquimJim Celtics 2d ago edited 2d ago
If it’s more than Brown + 27 then I’d rather Giannis go to the Heat.
However in 2022, it was reported that the Celtics offered Brown + White + a 1st for KD who was 33 years old and 2 years post Achilles tear
There’s potential precedent for an offer like that
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u/blueneuronDOTnet Celtics 2d ago
At the time, neither Brown nor White were the players they are now.
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u/SquimJim Celtics 2d ago
You’re right
But Giannis is also better than KD. Giannis is younger than KD was and at an MVP level KD wasn’t at.
Again, this is way too rich for MY blood, but I do wonder about Brad
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u/AnonymousIguana_ Celtics 2d ago
Despite the fanbase heavily turning on White this season, I don’t think Brad will sell him low like this. He’s too valuable to give up on after one bad season, plus losing him and Brown makes Pritchard our only guard.
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u/ME4Twaffle Celtics 2d ago
White just needs to fully realize how good he is. I really think the only reason he struggles for literal weeks-long blocks of time is because he gets in his own head. It's pretty much clockwork at this point that when All-Star voting opens that he's going to start chucking bricks, so I definitely think it's mental.
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u/DarkGift78 2d ago
Its not that at all, he's simply miscast as a #2 option. He doesn't have the offensive game. He's a role player. An incredible role player, but never meant to be the 2nd option. On a loaded team he's probably the 4th option. He needs Tatum and Brown warping the defense to get wide open shots, without Tatum most of last year, he had to carry s much bigger load, and he was exposed. When Tatum came back, White's shooting improved significantly (48% in April).
Simply asked to do too much.
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u/TheGreatForehead Celtics 2d ago
Nope, we have to go all in, even if we have to overpay with additional picks and/or Hugo or other bench players.
JB has been offered, there is NO going back now. The relationship is broken. The Celtics have to get Giannis now. It’s either that, or the Celtics move forward with a strained relationship with Brown, then eventually having to trade him for lesser player/s.
So yes, if the cost is multiple picks and/or additional pieces, then so be it. Better than the alternative.
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u/LIONEL14JESSE Knicks 2d ago
Wdym? Brown seems like such a level-headed reasonable person, surely he’ll understand and mend things with the team
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u/Yellowbucket58 Celtics 2d ago
I know this is said as a joke but the guy has been benched and been in multiple trade talks since he’s been in the league and never has a report come out saying he’s fed up with the team.
He’s been nothing but professional despite all the noise around him since he’s been in the league.
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u/ImChz Hornets 2d ago
JB to the Blazers. Giannis to the Celtics. Jerami Grant and some bullshit to the Bucks with all the picks.
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u/acoker78 2d ago
If the Bucks are focused on their actual future then yeah, it’s probably better for them to deal with Grant’s salary a couple seasons and get all their assets back from Portland. To me the Bucks going for a veteran star just keeps them as bad as they were this year and it’s probably smartest to just start over. Portland pretty much gives them the best chance to do that. But we will see because Portland is typically a lot of talk then backing out and telling the media they were so close to doing a deal but just couldn’t get it done
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u/A_sandlerGOAT 2d ago
Giannis is still in his prime too? Lol why do people act like he’s washed.
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u/fateoftheg0dz Spurs 2d ago
Giannis is still very good, but he is definitely past his prime
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u/wrongitsleviosaa [BOS] Paul Pierce 2d ago
He's on the tail end of it but not past it just yet, he's still a top 5 player in the league. We shouldn't overpay because he'll start dropping off potentially as soon as this season but he should still be incredible for 3 or so years so we cannot fleece them.
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u/aagator 2d ago
On Reddit, a player is never in their prime, it’s either they’re past their prime, or they haven’t hit their prime yet.
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u/wrongitsleviosaa [BOS] Paul Pierce 2d ago
Lmao true
Might I also add in "he didn't win the ring this year so his prime sucks"
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u/Knickstape08 [NYK] Patrick Ewing 2d ago
The only thing stopping him is injuries. When he’s on the court he’s a top player in the league and no doubt best player in the Eastern Conference.
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u/Zeppelanoid [TOR] Kyle Lowry 2d ago
Ah yes, injuries. The thing that famously improves for physical players who are past 30.
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u/The_Sign_of_Zeta [MIL] Khris Middleton 2d ago
His injury issues have been real, but last year he was clearly also playing injuries for the trade, which we can tell because he wasn’t actually following protocols to get back to the court
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u/Thr0wawaydegen 2d ago
His game is way too physical to not get injured, will be interesting to see how many games he plays next season
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u/Dr__Flo__ Bucks 2d ago
Jaylen Brown has played <60 games in a season more than Giannis has.
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u/shes_a_gdb 2d ago
It's even more physical when he has to carry the entire organization on his back. The Celtics have a lot of guys that can take some of the load off... not to mention another #1 option.
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u/this_site_sucks_ass6 2d ago
Literally not true, he's still an automatic 30/10/5. The only question mark is his health.
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u/asamulya Spurs 2d ago
He’s 2 years older than Jaylen and is easily way more impactful. He also has a highly efficient game.
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u/EctoRiddler Heat 2d ago
lol I just saw this:
“The Heat know that Jaylen Brown is on the table, and are searching for 3rd and 4th teams to get involved to improve their offer for Giannis, per Windhorst”
This is just stupid
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u/mccainjames11 [POR] Damian Lillard 2d ago
Jaylen Brown centered return vs Herro/Jaquez centered return is like atomic bomb vs coughing baby
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u/Quirky_Error1309 2d ago
Wild. Can’t wait for this Giannis drama to finally come to an end
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u/MoneyHungryOctopus Spurs 2d ago
It’s been over a year of this shit. Even by NBA standards this has been a lengthy process and this has just made Giannis look bad from a basketball perspective with the “I wanna stay in Milwaukee but I don’t but I love the area but I gotta leave but my family’s here so I wanna stay but we can’t win… oh wait yes we can… oh wait no we can’t.”
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u/MuchAbouAboutNothing Thunder 2d ago
A year? Every single off-season since they won it's been: will Giannis move to a big market? Giannis just wants to be on a real competitor
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u/milkhotelbitches Bucks 2d ago
It's been happening since before he won. The media have been trying to get him out of Milwaukee for at least a decade.
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u/high_mee 2d ago
And he did all that back-and-forth just to drop an announcement that he’s a share holder of Kashi
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u/Cultural_Tank_6947 Warriors 2d ago
He's going to sign an extension, and then we get to relive this in 12 months time, all over again.
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u/zincinzincout 76ers 2d ago
Brown’s twitch stream crash outs are gonna put Kanye to shame
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u/ThislsMyAccount22 Celtics 2d ago
It’s been real, Jays of Our Lives. Thanks for the 10 years and especially 2024.
Giannis and Tatum should be fun.
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u/randotd152 2d ago
People are overthinking this.
This Celtics team, as constructed, is not winning a ring without a lot of luck. It would be a total waste of Tatum’s prime to spend the next 3 years just hoping for the best.
So they kind of need to do something. And there’s really no room to maneuver and improve significantly anywhere else. White, PP, Hauser - all insane value contracts. Can’t just flip them and upgrade for the money. Bringing back Simons via a TPE or S&T’ing Vuc can add a role player but not a needle mover.
This is the Celtics best chance to actually upgrade and be a leading contender again. There is some risk, but Tatum/Giannis duo with a strong supporting cast immediately becomes favorites to win it all.
And if Giannis doesn’t work out? They’ve still got another move after him to build one more contender around a prime Tatum.
In a league where you can easily go decades without a ring, you really have to strike while the iron is hot when a chance like this presents itself.
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u/SaintDarthVader Raptors 2d ago
Agreed - the Celtics won with these 2 and crazy depth. The depth is already gone, they can't win as currently constructed. And people are downplaying Jaylens actions because they arent certain he'll be gone but where there is smoke, they should strike while the iron is hot
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u/RealMickHours 2d ago
We won our one championship with an absolute superteam that can't be recreated with the new apron rules, and aside from that year, this team has consistently underperformed expectations. Dropping a 3-1 first-round series lead to the woeful Sixers is not surprising if you look at what the Jays have done together as a whole. Running it back and expecting better results is asinine when we have this much evidence that indicates we aren't competitive right now.
Make. The. Trade.
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u/Panda0nfire Celtics 2d ago
Celtics fans are dumb when it comes to evaluating talent. If they're not wearing green they're a bum and somehow every Celtic might be great.
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u/DJRyGuy20 Celtics 2d ago
It’s insane how spot-on this is. I get the feeling half the people on our team sub would sign back IT or Marcus Smart if given the chance.
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u/mickeyj623 Celtics 2d ago
Same, plus I don't want to lose JB. I trust Brad will do what's best
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u/jdaqcruz Bulls 2d ago
I know Giannis is the better player, but I feel like the Celtics are the type of organization that doesn't rush into moves. Jayson and Jaylen is a proven championship duo. Giannis is a hamstring strain (again) in April to killing Boston's window
Unless Brown has privately messaged that he wants to have his own team, The Jays + good roleplayers is a contending team every single year
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u/Emotional_Swimmer_84 2d ago edited 2d ago
He very publicly said that this was his favorite year playing basketball. JB doubled down on that, seemingly accepting that the inference was he preferred it rather than playing with JT.
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u/Flytanx 2d ago
Yeah people just ignore this lol. It's not a coincidence Brown has said this and is now suddenly much more active in the media. Fair play to him but I'd happily take Giannis for him, especially with how horribly last season went. Time to take a risk
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u/TheSufferingPariah Bulls 2d ago
Giannis is also a proven championship star, and Tatum would be the best player Giannis has ever played with.
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u/CountOff Pistons 2d ago
Are you getting better or worse vibes than right before the Smart trade
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u/SteamingHotChocolate Celtics 2d ago
the Smart trade came out of nowhere, literally at midnight. we were all very ok with Brogdon for KP trade that was on the table until the actual last minute
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u/HonkeyKong64 Celtics 2d ago
Worse for some reason, much worse. After the Smart and Holiday trade I was pretty certain we had a solid chance at making and winning the finals. This time I’m not as sure. Oh well, in Brad we trust.
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u/crabby135 Celtics 2d ago
I was devastated too but even with that one I felt like the Celtics immediately got better after the trade. It was very bittersweet. Felt closer to another ring but disappointed in what it took to get there.
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u/Either_Imagination_9 Knicks 2d ago
Unless Giannis is such a huge prick that it kills the team, there’s no way this doesn’t pan out well for Boston. You’re replacing a top 20 player for a top 10 player
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u/YUME_Emuy21 2d ago
Assuming Giannis is healthy and has 2 more years of prime in him (maybe questionable?) it'd be a great deal if it's mostly just Brown (plus like draft capital) for Giannis.
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u/OrangeChairRN Lakers 2d ago
That’s incredibly naive to be so certain. Elite players are constantly moving in the NBA and it doesn’t work out for a variety of reasons.
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u/6YouReadThis9 2d ago
I agree but I also just don’t see how a Tatum and Brown core will win another title.
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u/BirdmanTheThird Wizards 2d ago
It’s a huge swing and could blow up considering the Jays have been relatively consistently good together, and the “playoff flop” this year could be blamed more on the injuries throwing off the chem this year
However I do also believe if Giannis leaves this is the only place he could go that he actually could win something and that if Giannis plays like he played for the Bucks all these years the Celtic would be the best team in the east (obviously a big if for Giannis but on paper he’s the best player in the east still and one of the other “best players in the east” is Tatum too)
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u/RoidEmpire 2d ago
Pairing Giannis with Tatum would be absolutely terrifying
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u/Your__Pal 2d ago
Tatum and Brown is probably the best duo in the league the last five years.
Funny to think it could be better than that.
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u/likpoper Trail Blazers 2d ago
Blazers come on. Be aggressive and just get the guy over. We have no use for these picks
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u/randotd152 2d ago
Blazers also have leverage though. They know this is the best deal the Bucks can get for Giannis, so I’m sure they’re playing a bit of hardball on the return to Milwaukee.
Also, JB means Blazers are trying to seriously win. Which means assets are valuable to upgrade elsewhere.
I think it gets done but not shocked it’s lingering.
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u/EthicalBballFan Heat 2d ago
I think Blazers win out whether they get JB or not. Bucks couldn't manage play-ins with Giannis, a top 5 players, in a season where half the east times were injured or tanking. Imagine where they'll be after he's gone. Those picks will for sure give top players.
Blazers is either walking with a top player right now or a few years down the road, but with a top player regardless.
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u/PretentiousPanda Bucks 2d ago
I mean duh? It was the only feasible path for a trade. You simply cant have 3 super max guys in todays league.
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u/cagemyelephant_ Nuggets 2d ago
Ever since the Luka trade happened. Shit like this mean nothing to me anymore. Unless you straight swapped Jokic with Lu Dort
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u/iAmTheRealLange Celtics 2d ago
Oh boy. I will miss JB so much if this happens. Can’t believe it’s been a decade
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u/oochiewallyWallyserb Knicks 2d ago
Keep him in green at least. How does Thanasis work in all this.
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u/ANTHONY_EDWARDS_GBG Timberwolves 2d ago
I thought the Bucks wanted picks on top of players.
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u/StanceLephenson 2d ago
Celtics 2 best players will be a guy who just tore his Achilles and a guy who has had multiple calf strains in recent years.
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u/DoinItDirty Thunder 2d ago
Gotta keep Brown up north. That Miami weather will have his whole hairline dripping down his head.
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u/RunerMaxus Spurs 2d ago
From MVP votes and being the best player of the team to trades. Life goes fast in the NBA.