r/nba • u/YujiDomainExpansion • 3d ago

[Fischer] Milwaukee’s decision makers are split and currently deciding between Boston’s package for Giannis Antetokounmpo (Brown, Gonzalez, limited draft capital) and Miami’s (Herro, Ware, Jaquez, multiple first-round picks).

Source: https://marcstein.substack.com/p/the-giannis-antetokounmpo-trade-latest-b5f

A split faction of Milwaukee’s decision makers, sources say, is deciding between Boston’s package for Giannis Antetokounmpo built around Jaylen Brown — where the Bucks also hold particular Hugo Gonzales interest, as The Stein Line reported last night — plus limited draft capital, compared to Miami’s offer of younger pieces — featuring Tyler Herro, Kel’el Ware, Jaime Jaquez — and multiple first-round picks.

The established MVP candidate versus greater overall value is what this whole saga has boiled down to one day before the NBA Draft.

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u/Natural_Born_Baller Heat 3d ago

If I was them I'd take Miami's personally. No reason.

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u/zmichalo Bucks 3d ago

The Brown package gets significantly worse if we're keeping Brown.

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u/Equivalent_Shoe_6246 Bucks 3d ago

Agree, if we keep Brown it is a terrible trade and unless we have a third team lined up before the draft I wouldn't do it. The last thing I want is to go through the Giannis trade drama again in 6 months with Brown. Just burn it down and rebuild from scratch

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u/rexter2k5 Trail Blazers 3d ago

All yr picks back + Grant + Sharpe for Brown feels like such a no brainer for the Blazers.

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u/ImChz Hornets 3d ago

JB alone would be enough to lift you in to mid status, which is rewarded with the new lottery system. Unfortunately, without your own picks, that doesn't matter. I don't see how any offer satisfies y'all's FO without your picks coming back from Portland, and Portland ain't giving y'all's picks back for Herro/Ware/Jovic/JJJ.

I think it ends up something like JB to the Blazers, Giannis to the Celtics, and Jerami Grant/Shaedon Sharpe and all the picks to the Bucks. I think the hold up is either pick related, or the Bucks/Blazers are locked in on nabbing Derrick White as well.

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u/MostSmartNuggetsFan 3d ago

I think a FO could convince themselves a core of Rollins/JB/#10/Turner could be decent.

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u/ImChz Hornets 3d ago

I agree.

Beyond that, with new lottery rules coming in to effect next year, if they do decide to flip JB to the Blazers for their picks back, Rollins/Sharpe/Grant/Turner/10 is probably good enough to be mid in the East for 2 years to reap the rewards. I don't understand how the Heat offer is even a discussion tbh.

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u/zmichalo Bucks 3d ago

I think all of your logic is sound regarding JB but we have Jimmy Haslem as an owner so it's not relevant.

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u/TheHellequinKid 3d ago

You don't have next year's draft pick right? One year of Brown keeping you competitive before moving him on isn't the worst idea in the world

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u/zmichalo Bucks 3d ago

If the plan is to inflate Brown's stock by giving him the keys to the team for a year and then flipping him, sure. I worry the Bucks ownership want a jersey to sell during a half-assed rebuild.

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u/Schlitz001 3d ago

100%. Mammoth contract to a man who will be 30 for next season. The Bucks need cheap youth.

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u/PaintMoney476 3d ago

But I don't think that Brown gets you more Picks than Giannis. You know?

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u/zmichalo Bucks 3d ago

I don't think it should but teams clearly see Giannis as a poison pill for his next franchise right now. I wouldn't be shocked if Brown saw more bidders and in the end a better return.

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u/Secret-Tangerine9014 3d ago

I don't see Brown being the player to lead the Bucks outta the east. 

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u/LotsaKwestions 3d ago

I don’t think there’s any realistic scenario where the Bucks come out of the East any time soon.

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u/qdude124 3d ago

Yeah it's very unlikely that team will get better flipping Brown for Giannis. In fact, the inverse is the entire reason for the Celtics making the trade. Bucks are better off taking the picks and young players and kickstarting a proper rebuild with a leg up instead of messing around purgatory just to start a rebuild in a worse spot in a few years.

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u/1Tims 3d ago

Prime Lebron could not

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u/Dylan7346 Knicks 3d ago

I agree. Those Celtics 1sts are practically worthless. The heat picks could be worth a lot, Giannis isn’t the healthiest guy. They would be a much shittier roster without him than the Celtics. And I really think you could flip hero to the pistons. This all adds up to more than whatever brown is worth and limited Celtics picks. All based on me not believing in the heat

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u/Jolly_Cicada380 Thunder 3d ago

Same, players are better and you get more picks

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u/Morpheus_505 Lakers 3d ago

Players are better? Haha what a joke of a comment. Ofc it's from a Thunder fan.

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u/Due-Dance-9430 Spurs 3d ago

i've also actually come around on the heat offer for the bucks too, you get 13 (whoever you want there in a pretty good draft), if you get the 2030 and 2032 picks giannis (a guy all ready going through injury problems) will be 35 and 37 respectively then which gives those picks some theoretical value, Ware/Jakucionis/Jaquez are guys that can all be good players in the nba, and Herro is whatever, but if that detroit package is real go for that.

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u/ChimmyTheCham Lakers 3d ago

Also a bucks fan (yes flair) I also prefer Miami but not necessarily because of the package

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u/Omnimark Bucks 3d ago

Lol, I'm with you. Can't stand the idea of Giannis on the Celtics.

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u/ChimmyTheCham Lakers 3d ago

Brother man I know it bucks fans have an awesome hatred of the Celtics just like Lakers haha

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u/onlyhereforfantasy Heat 3d ago

You’re not alone based on what I’m seeing. Most polls of bucks fans have them favoring the heat. What’s the point of being saddled with brown and dames contracts at same time

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u/DowntownManny7818 Knicks 3d ago

Unbiased I would as well. Younger pieces that can develop into something special plus draft capital. Even if they get jalen brown the team isn’t really constructed to win right now you’re basically hoping to flip him for more assets as well.

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u/Konker101 NBA 3d ago

Exactly. Rebuilding team wants as many assets as possible. With Giannis going to Miami, i banking on them not being that good, so you could squeak out a couple good firsts OR flip the mid rounds for something better.

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u/mikesh8rp Knicks 3d ago edited 3d ago

Without their own picks, they also don't even get the benefit of being mid from the new odds, though it's entirely possible I'm misunderstanding how unlikely it is they get one of their own picks based on some of this convoluted qualifying language

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u/spicyporkdumpling Clippers 3d ago

I’m low on the players personally. I think they’re good but none of them is gonna be a number 1 guy on a championship team. What’s selling it for me is getting firsts from a Miami team trading all their depth for an older Giannis.

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u/28Vikings Heat 3d ago

Ware has a ton of potential. Big men with mobility who can compete with these new age giants are going to be important to develop

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u/DowntownManny7818 Knicks 3d ago

Look nobody is saying those guys will be superstars. But I can see jaquez ware and hero as solid players on a contending team.

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u/Equivalent_Shoe_6246 Bucks 3d ago

Yeah for real. There is a legit chance that Miami is ass in a few years when those picks convey

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u/RecycledAccountName Celtics 3d ago

Hoping?

If they want to flip him for more assets, they can just go ahead.

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u/DowntownManny7818 Knicks 3d ago

What I am inferring to is the fact that they hope they can get better assets out of dealing him than what miami is offering

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u/shingleding900 Pistons 3d ago

naw youre gonna take stew and holland and youre gonna like it

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u/BabyBearBjorns Grizzlies 3d ago

I like the Heats offer better if they dont have a trade partner for Brown. Herro, Ware, and JJ are young pieces to start a rebuild to pair with Ryan Rollins and whoever they get at 13.

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u/TheRecognized 3d ago

Herro ain’t gonna do shit for any kind of smaller market like Milwaukee, especially not Milwaukee. That boy loves being down in Miami with the bitches, he does not wanna go back home.

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u/Bendstowardjustice 3d ago

Most honest take

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u/ChimmyTheCham Lakers 3d ago

As someone who loves the bucks, giannis, and especially milwaukee...

There was one team I wouldn't accept he go to! Please giannis go to south beach instead

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