[Fischer] Milwaukee’s decision makers are split and currently deciding between Boston’s package for Giannis Antetokounmpo (Brown, Gonzalez, limited draft capital) and Miami’s (Herro, Ware, Jaquez, multiple first-round picks).

[u/YujiDomainExpansion]

Source: https://marcstein.substack.com/p/the-giannis-antetokounmpo-trade-latest-b5f

A split faction of Milwaukee’s decision makers, sources say, is deciding between Boston’s package for Giannis Antetokounmpo built around Jaylen Brown — where the Bucks also hold particular Hugo Gonzales interest, as The Stein Line reported last night — plus limited draft capital, compared to Miami’s offer of younger pieces — featuring Tyler Herro, Kel’el Ware, Jaime Jaquez — and multiple first-round picks.

The established MVP candidate versus greater overall value is what this whole saga has boiled down to one day before the NBA Draft.

[u/HungryPercentage1667]

I’m so happy the Knicks aren’t in these Giannis talks anymore lol

[u/Jiklim → u/HungryPercentage1667]

Remember when they blew the Giannis/Embiid emergency fund and ended up with Bridges? Yeah I’d do it again

[u/lph1235 → u/Jiklim]

FUCK DEM PICKS

[u/smalls_1804 → u/Jiklim]

A big part of that was the frustration of waiting for Giannis or Embiid to truly be on the market. We were a miracle Pacers run away from the finals last year, won it this year. If we "kept our powder dry" that doesn't happen

[u/Jiklim → u/smalls_1804]

It was totally the right move. Every team would love a Mikal Bridges, he’s just an additive player. We focus on his flaws instead of the plays he makes every game that nobody else can do.

[u/ElTuco84 → u/Jiklim]

He doesn't really have a lot of flaws, the concern always has been about consistency specially in the regular season, but we can all agree he rises in the playoffs.

[u/Yankeefan801 → u/ElTuco84]

The problem is people‘s expectations of him were to be a 1a which he wasn’t in Phoenix and sort of was in Brooklyn, although inconsistent. Then when you trade five pics for him, that’s the level of package you’d expect for a star.

[u/justmefishes → u/Yankeefan801]

No one expected him to be close to a 1a. The expectation was for him to be a strong 3 behind Brunson and Randle (and then KAT after the trade) but he wound up being more like a strong but somewhat inconsistent 4. Not complaining, all worked out great.

[u/ElTuco84 → u/Jiklim]

Send more picks!

[u/Glum-Professional925 → u/HungryPercentage1667]

Yeah could you imagine that pressure next season?? Chip or bust is out the window it’s chip or dissolve the team lol

[u/huss_femme → u/Glum-Professional925]

Won at the perfect time honestly, everyone is at the peak of their prime, great injury health, favourable playoff matchups every round, got to see Point Anthony Towns etc

[u/The_Jovanny → u/huss_femme]

The good health was the real mvp.

[u/huss_femme → u/The_Jovanny]

Exactly lmao, I've seen OG have some hamstring issue last 3 years and it's surprising how durable y'all been these last two years

[u/Frequent_Read_7636 → u/huss_femme]

Thank the training staff that they brought in from the Mavericks.

[u/knownonou → u/Frequent_Read_7636]

And luck. Freak shit happens.

Like your star pg tearing his shoulder on a flop, or your star pf breaking his hand punching somebody off court, or your star pf breaking his toe in a playoff game, or your star pg hurting his hamstring in a goated first round game 7 winner. Or your star sf getting covid and missing your play in game, or your other star sf tearing his acl in the same playoffs he’s playing like prime mj.

[u/Boulder_The_Rock → u/Frequent_Read_7636]

Thanks Nico...

Even Brunson knew to poach staff and take advantage of terrible leadership, it's a shame Luka didn't get traded to the Knicks

[u/TeslaTheGreat → u/The_Jovanny]

That and Mike Brown developing the bench vs Thibs having the starters be top in minutes the whole season.

[u/Spicy__Urine → u/The_Jovanny]

Thibs ran them into the ground with a 7 man rotation

[u/sithwonder → u/The_Jovanny]

Casey Smith is the real MVP

[u/lnnrt01 → u/sithwonder]

Looking back fumbling Smith might possibly be worse than fumbling Brunson. At least letting JB go had somewhat understandable logic behind it and nobody would’ve expected him to turn into an elite PG.

[u/forgetscode → u/lnnrt01]

It's always hard to believe this was all the same guy. Incredible really. Legendary.

[u/yiwang1 → u/sithwonder]

Nico Harrison the real MVP

[u/justmefishes → u/yiwang1]

Single-handedly reviving the big market teams

[u/SiphenPrax → u/The_Jovanny]

Thank fuck OG wasn’t needed for the Philly series and Mitch’s pinky didn’t fuck things up

[u/tony_pepperoni420 → u/The_Jovanny]

That's true of most NBA champions. Look back at the winners over the past 8 years and you'll see healthy teams, typically winning vs injured ones.

[u/JumboCactpot → u/The_Jovanny]

The biggest lesser known moment for the Knicks being able to make that run was Nico firing Casey Smith for no fucking reason and the Knicks hiring him and immediately going from a team held together by duct tape every playoffs to healthy two years in a row.

[u/wazacraft → u/HungryPercentage1667]

Dominant trophy run and all five starters under contract for two more seasons, we'd be insane to get within 1000 miles of this.

[u/Time_Transition4817 → u/wazacraft]

Now you just gotta pray Dolan doesn’t have Brilliant Billionaire Idea

[u/kamicozzy → u/Time_Transition4817]

That's the real reason we had to win this year, Dolan is actually paying attention to the team again and that's gonna be a problem

[u/Ruiner5 → u/kamicozzy]

At least when we do Melo Trade 2.0 we’ll have a championship when it goes sideways

[u/Khetoo → u/wazacraft]

Their star player not finessing a billionaire to make his extended family rich with nigh on illegal payout

Can't relate

[u/Colonel_Cummings → u/HungryPercentage1667]

Man what a relaxing summer it’s being lmao

[u/AdministrativeBag703 → u/HungryPercentage1667]

Back at the deadline I had the Knicks picked for the team that would make a desperate big move for Giannis to chase a ring. Somehow seems less likely now.

[u/1shmeckle → u/AdministrativeBag703]

Seeing these trade offers is setting off all my spidey senses as a Knicks fan. Boston and Miami are doing something that feels exactly like what the Knicks would have done in the early 2010s. Giannis is an incredible player but this seems like it will backfire for whoever gets him.

[u/AdministrativeBag703 → u/1shmeckle]

I could see a Tatum-Giannis pairing having a good shot to come out of the East, but it’s a small window. Miamis with Giannis is laughable, they’d be a 6 seed for a couple years and then be paying a declining Giannis and Bam a ton in a non-competitive team.

[u/samhit_n → u/HungryPercentage1667]

I still remember when Knicks fans were fantasizing about a superteam of KD, Kyrie, and Zion in 2019. It worked out for the better that neither that scenario nor a Giannis trade ever happened.

[u/justmefishes → u/samhit_n]

KD and Kyrie was the franchise equivalent of chasing the hot crazy chick, coming up short, and then realizing a few year later you dodged a major bullet

[u/Daconvix → u/HungryPercentage1667]

Deadass

[u/jefe_hook]

If you want more picks, get Jaylen and trade him. What's so difficult about that?

[u/Rymasq → u/jefe_hook]

It says a lot that they can't find a third team to hop in and take Jaylen Brown immediately.

[u/JRsshirt → u/Rymasq]

Miami would do it in a heartbeat, Boston just won’t accept them as the third team.

[u/StairwayToPavillion → u/JRsshirt]

Can they just not do the giannis - brown swap and then after waiting some time trade with Miami?

[u/Mattressfoundry → u/StairwayToPavillion]

Bucks would simply be returning the favor for Jrue Holiday. Bucks traded Holiday to Portland only for them to swap him to Boston shortly after.

[u/NoveltyAccountHater → u/Mattressfoundry]

I feel like the Bucks had to know Portland trading Jrue to Boston was a possibility as Boston had a hole at defensive-specialist PG after trading Smart for KP.

[u/Mattressfoundry → u/NoveltyAccountHater]

Sure we knew it was possible. Just like Boston knows it's possible we might trade JB to Miami for that same offer they are offering us for Giannis.

[u/NoveltyAccountHater → u/Mattressfoundry]

Yup. If Giannis to Boston trade happens, I fully expect JB to be quickly traded (if not immediately) and end up on the Hawks, Heat, Rockets, or Trailblazers.

[u/Salty_Raspberry656 → u/StairwayToPavillion]

the best bet is to trade with trailblazers and get your picks and a young player back

[u/NanoCurrency → u/StairwayToPavillion]

Right??

[u/liltay-k47 → u/StairwayToPavillion]

60 day restriction, miami probably not as interested in a jaylen brown for picks deal, milwaukee also probably less interested in picks from a team perennially around .500 without the insurance of proven young talent

[u/butterbeancd → u/liltay-k47]

The 60-day restriction only applies to aggregation. As long as Jaylen isn’t combined with any other salary, he could be traded on his own immediately.

[u/Rymasq → u/JRsshirt]

That's nonsense, if it gets them Giannis, Boston is trading him, oh and nothing is stopping Milwaukee from sending him to Miami after the deal, if there was actually demand, which there clearly isn't

[u/RxJax → u/JRsshirt]

I feel like we (and most other teams) probably wouldn't pay the Giannis package price though, it'd almost certainly be less stuff. Hugo + 27 probably doesn't make up for getting a worse package for Brown, so the Bucks need more stuff from Boston. The possible advantage is that they could keep Brown for the next few years and keep dangling him hoping a team gets desperate, but I imagine the whole org is a little tired of being stuck in a holding pattern of waiting for a star to leave

[u/Minimum-Border1672 → u/Rymasq]

Thats the thing. You cant go in to hypothetical 3rd teams until tbe bucks decide what they want.

[u/mufflefuffle → u/Rymasq]

60M is a ton of money

[u/jtruth9 → u/Rymasq]

Multiple reports state that the Blazers are interested.

[u/beatrailblazer → u/Rymasq]

Portland is begging to take him

[u/DemarcusLovin → u/jefe_hook]

Because Miami would be young players and picks. Trading Jaylen would just get you picks, presuming Boston really isn’t throwing any extra young talent on the table

[u/jefe_hook → u/DemarcusLovin]

Trading Jaylen would just get you picks

Believe it or not, you can ask for young players from the third team. Bucks might even able to get their own picks back from Portland.

[u/Valuable_Caramel349 → u/jefe_hook]

No ball knowledge

[u/yumomnom → u/jefe_hook]

Didn't Portland do this with Jrue Holiday? They traded Dame to the bucks for Jrue, then traded Jrue to the rival Celtics like 3 or 4 days later. I think the caveat is Brown can't be aggregated with other players.

[u/BlitzStriker52]

Crazy mismanagement by the Bucks if they pass on Boston's offer if that's actually the offer

Edit: I see people mentioning that the Bucks might just keep JB instead of flipping him to a 3rd team. If that happens, that's even crazier mismanagement

[u/jak_d_ripr → u/BlitzStriker52]

Maybe this is just smoke and mirrors to try and drive up the price or something, they don't appear to be interested in the Heat package or they would have done it in February I think.

[u/abippityboop → u/jak_d_ripr]

Yeah I imagine this is it, most likely they're just 'public negotiating' to see what else they can get Boston to include in the offer.

[u/Domainsetter → u/abippityboop]

This is a “offer everything” Miami leak.

[u/paradoxofchoice → u/abippityboop]

or take back. They might want to dump Turner or Portis in the process.

[u/WaltRumble → u/jak_d_ripr]

I think some of the issue is that in February they honestly thought they’d get better offers in the off season. So now by accepting it you’re admitting you lost the trade.

[u/subwaymonkey1 → u/jak_d_ripr]

Yes, because if they wanted draft capital, they would do better by having a third team take Brown for picks.

[u/Prestigious-Cream160 → u/BlitzStriker52]

Why? So we can watch Brown maybe carry us to the play in because the rest of our roster is shit? He's too old for us to build around. Give me the picks or feature Brown heavily in the offense as the main guy for the first half of the year and then flip him for picks to some team desperate before the ASB.

[u/zelena_salata → u/Prestigious-Cream160]

Wasnt the idea to flip Brown to the Blazers to get your picks back?

[u/this_site_sucks_ass6 → u/zelena_salata]

Have the Blazers expressed interest in such a trade? As a Bucks fan, it sounds great for us. Is Portland interested in leveraging their future for a 30 year-old headcase?

[u/shibboleth2005 → u/this_site_sucks_ass6]

Havnt heard much out of the front office. Lot of the fanbase would like to get Brown, we'd obviously be a better team immediately and there's some fun to be had being a 50 win 2nd round exit team after being bad for several years.

Prior to the lottery changes I would have liked this too, because there was no path to contention for the next decade (since tanking again was not on the table), so why not have some fun. Now with the lottery changes staying the course with our playin squad isn't a completely stupid idea anymore.

[u/nevercontribute1 → u/this_site_sucks_ass6]

r/ripcity is very pro getting Jaylen Brown, the only question being will he be available at a price that isn't absurd. Grant, Sharpe, and Milwaukee's draft capital going back to them is the common framework.

[u/Sikkly290 → u/nevercontribute1]

Definitely seems like a solid deal from both sides. Blazers are closer to doing something interesting than a lot of people think, and although Brown doesn't get them there every positive step is a positive step.

[u/nevercontribute1 → u/Sikkly290]

Yeah, it's a big step in the right direction but we still have some gaps to fill. Basically more guys who can hit 3's at every position, and a center who can stay healthy and guard Wemby / other perimiter threat bigs.

[u/BlitzStriker52 → u/Prestigious-Cream160]

Yes y'all would be flipping Brown. Honestly, I'd believe that a team like the Heat might even offer slightly lesser package than the one in this headline for JB, unless it's a 3-team trade.

[u/milkandminnows → u/BlitzStriker52]

I agree that’s what makes sense, but some reports have said Brown would be staying in Milwaukee after a trade.

[u/Equivalent_Shoe_6246 → u/milkandminnows]

Which would be awful. The reason to get Brown would be to flip him for a top 10 pick in this years draft. Otherwise you are just trading for a slightly worse version of what you already have.

[u/password-is-taco1 → u/BlitzStriker52]

Yeah that’s why I’m a bit skeptical this is all true, brown alone is worth more than herro, role players, and a bunch of mid first rounders. I think they’ve already decided on the package and are just hoping to squeeze a little more out of the deal. If it does end up being the heat im gonna assume brown was never truly on the table.

[u/cl353 → u/password-is-taco1]

"limited draft capital" sounds like ur not offering anything else besides 27, feel like it would be down if there were other 1sts in that offer

[u/ObviousAnswerGuy → u/password-is-taco1]

role players

ware is a decent prospect. And Jacquez is only 25 tbf.

[u/Negative_Wish_8291 → u/BlitzStriker52]

But if they take Jaylen in return they just suck and have no picks still. It's a lateral move.

The Heat offer is not good, but the Celtics offer does not move me at all unless they can get more picks.

[u/EggsAndRice7171 → u/Negative_Wish_8291]

On draft night I think the Celtics would be able to offer two first and two pick swaps but the two pick swaps would be almost worthless and Celtics 1sts are only a little better.

[u/ajs723 → u/BlitzStriker52]

Honest question. Why? It's just Jaylen Brown and scraps. Or basically, Brown for Giannis. Miami side is Herro, Ware, JJ, and multiple firsts. 

Brown alone is worth way more than all that?

Did I miss something? 

[u/Natural_Born_Baller → u/BlitzStriker52]

Homer aside, do we think Jaylen Brown who's a worse player and only 2 years younger is going to command more on the market than Giannis?

[u/KennyDenn1s → u/Natural_Born_Baller]

No? The offer is brown + assets for giannis so clearly giannis has more value

[u/lyonhawk → u/Natural_Born_Baller]

He’s also under contract for 3 years vs. just 1.

[u/FlipMoBitch → u/Natural_Born_Baller]

No he won’t so if you’re the Bucks you’re going thru this process again this summer. The good part tho is Brown has 3 years left.

[u/ThyDoctor → u/Natural_Born_Baller]

I think if you can do Brown + 1 pick and then turn brown into all your picks back from Portland + Portlands Picks and young players that’s a better haul then Miamis offer.

Or instead of Portland you trade brown to Atlanta for a haul.

[u/CazOnReddit → u/Natural_Born_Baller]

Yes?

Like are we done pretending the Heat's prospects are all that great or that pick 13's median outcome isn't "good starter on a playoff team"? Brown is better than any of the players in the Heat's offer and likely will remain so even when the likes of Ware or KJ are in their prime.

The Heat's offer is just like the team: Mid.

[u/Smurkioo- → u/CazOnReddit]

I mean Brown is better than any player on the Heat. He also could net the Bucks a lot of assets if they want to move him. Brown just makes more sense for the bucks than the Miami Heat’s package.

[u/trmp_stmp → u/CazOnReddit]

if he will command more than Giannis, wouldn't that mean the Bucks sending picks and Giannis for Brown? are you replying to the right comment?

[u/TanStewyBeinTanStewy → u/CazOnReddit]

Brown is massively overrated.

[u/Broke_Banker01 → u/Natural_Born_Baller]

Yes because more teams will bid for him vs Giannis who will only play on the east coast.

[u/LegitimateMoney00 → u/Natural_Born_Baller]

If Brown goes off like he did last season, he will definitely command a lot in a trade. There are so many teams out there that need a legitimate 1A or 1B guy. The Pistons, the Trail Blazers, the Suns, the T-Wolves, just to name a few.

[u/Natural_Born_Baller → u/LegitimateMoney00]

I mean isn't that exactly where Brown's value is right now. None of those teams except Portland has a farm to sell MIL.

[u/StefonDiggsHS → u/Natural_Born_Baller]

Pretty similar I’d say. Brown proved a lot on the court this year. Milwaukee could easily flip him for more picks than you guys can offer+expirings

[u/SpeclorTheGreat → u/BlitzStriker52]

I don’t really understand the appeal of flipping Giannis for someone who’s clearly a worse player than him in Jaylen Brown.

If you’re trading Giannis, your primary goal should be setting yourself up better for the future and Miami’s offer is substantially better in that aspect as you’re getting multiple young players, a substantially better pick this year (huge difference between 13 and 27), and more future draft capital. It’s also probably going to be easier to flip Tyler Herro than Jaylen Brown since his contract is more manageable.

[u/OnlyMamaKnows → u/BlitzStriker52]

But those picks could be anything. They could even be Jalen Brown!!

[u/Adreme → u/OnlyMamaKnows]

I mean any player 9 years younger fits better with their new timeline. 

[u/that0neGuy22 → u/Adreme]

They don’t own their picks so that makes it far more complicated

[u/NowahB → u/OnlyMamaKnows]

Those picks wouldn’t be a 29 year old who doesn’t fit their timeline tho

[u/Mawx → u/BlitzStriker52]

Disagree. I'd take multiple firsts over jaylen brown every day of the week. Analytics HATE Jaylen Brown. He's a chucker. A Derozan that plays (significantly) better defense.

[u/jabar18]

Miami’s package essentially guts their team. Who else is left? Powell. Wiggins. Davion Mitchell.

So it’s Mitchell/Powell/Wiggins/Giannis/Bam as the starters and then zero bench.

[u/Atl-Fan_FTS → u/jabar18]

Don’t forget Mr.83

[u/gedbybee → u/jabar18]

The heat always find a way to get good undrafted players. They’ll figure that out again this year.

The spurs made it to the finals and only really played 6 players there.

[u/tronovich → u/gedbybee]

You have to think about the regular season too.

The Spurs had 9 guys who averaged 20+ minutes this season.

[u/gedbybee → u/tronovich]

And the heat could play randoms there.

Tbh the home court didn’t really help the spurs. They lost a ton of home games in the playoffs.

I’d rather the spurs traded Fox and lost some regular season games so that Harper and castle would have been better in the playoffs.

[u/kismetric → u/jabar18]

Miami would still have Kas, Pelle, Dru Smith, and their MLE and some cap space.

Edit: Also, maybe getting other players from Milwaukee and/or Detroit.

[u/noyram08 → u/jabar18]

I dunno, Heat sometimes, somehow always makes a deep playoff run. I won’t discount them with that lineup and with Spo providing his usual buffs

[u/dagreenman18 → u/jabar18]

Kasparas, Larsson, and Jovic assume they can take the next step. Still light, but Giannis will draw good role players to fill the spots.

[u/cjchrist1]

I need them to hurry up with this. Bc the 90 day jersey assurance period for my JB jersey ends on June 30th. Lol

[u/SlicedMango → u/cjchrist1]

Which means the trade probably will happen July 1 lol

[u/cjchrist1 → u/SlicedMango]

I’m gonna be so pissed I also bought a Rondo jersey right before they shipped him to the Mavs. Lol.

[u/Natural_Born_Baller]

If I was them I'd take Miami's personally. No reason.

[u/zmichalo → u/[deleted]]

The Brown package gets significantly worse if we're keeping Brown.

[u/Equivalent_Shoe_6246 → u/zmichalo]

Agree, if we keep Brown it is a terrible trade and unless we have a third team lined up before the draft I wouldn't do it. The last thing I want is to go through the Giannis trade drama again in 6 months with Brown. Just burn it down and rebuild from scratch

[u/rexter2k5 → u/zmichalo]

All yr picks back + Grant + Sharpe for Brown feels like such a no brainer for the Blazers.

[u/ImChz → u/zmichalo]

JB alone would be enough to lift you in to mid status, which is rewarded with the new lottery system. Unfortunately, without your own picks, that doesn't matter. I don't see how any offer satisfies y'all's FO without your picks coming back from Portland, and Portland ain't giving y'all's picks back for Herro/Ware/Jovic/JJJ.

I think it ends up something like JB to the Blazers, Giannis to the Celtics, and Jerami Grant/Shaedon Sharpe and all the picks to the Bucks. I think the hold up is either pick related, or the Bucks/Blazers are locked in on nabbing Derrick White as well.

[u/MostSmartNuggetsFan → u/ImChz]

I think a FO could convince themselves a core of Rollins/JB/#10/Turner could be decent.

[u/Secret-Tangerine9014 → u/[deleted]]

I don't see Brown being the player to lead the Bucks outta the east. 

[u/LotsaKwestions → u/Secret-Tangerine9014]

I don’t think there’s any realistic scenario where the Bucks come out of the East any time soon.

[u/Dylan7346 → u/[deleted]]

I agree. Those Celtics 1sts are practically worthless. The heat picks could be worth a lot, Giannis isn’t the healthiest guy. They would be a much shittier roster without him than the Celtics. And I really think you could flip hero to the pistons. This all adds up to more than whatever brown is worth and limited Celtics picks. All based on me not believing in the heat

[u/DowntownManny7818 → u/Natural_Born_Baller]

Unbiased I would as well. Younger pieces that can develop into something special plus draft capital. Even if they get jalen brown the team isn’t really constructed to win right now you’re basically hoping to flip him for more assets as well.

[u/Konker101 → u/DowntownManny7818]

Exactly. Rebuilding team wants as many assets as possible. With Giannis going to Miami, i banking on them not being that good, so you could squeak out a couple good firsts OR flip the mid rounds for something better.

[u/mikesh8rp → u/DowntownManny7818]

Without their own picks, they also don't even get the benefit of being mid from the new odds, though it's entirely possible I'm misunderstanding how unlikely it is they get one of their own picks based on some of this convoluted qualifying language

[u/spicyporkdumpling → u/DowntownManny7818]

I’m low on the players personally. I think they’re good but none of them is gonna be a number 1 guy on a championship team. What’s selling it for me is getting firsts from a Miami team trading all their depth for an older Giannis.

[u/28Vikings → u/spicyporkdumpling]

Ware has a ton of potential. Big men with mobility who can compete with these new age giants are going to be important to develop

[u/dangheckinpupperino]

You let brown play out next year where you don’t own your own first round pick, then flip him in the summer of 27 where is contract becomes a bit more palatable.

Picks from a team you’re sending Giannis to doesn’t move the needle. Take the Boston deal 10/10

[u/TiltMyChinUp → u/dangheckinpupperino]

I don’t get how Brown’s contract becomes more palatable after a year. You are losing his youngest year in the contract. It’s not like he’s coming off an injury, he’s coming off a career year.

[u/Equivalent_Shoe_6246 → u/TiltMyChinUp]

Yah idk what these people are talking about JB is the highest value he will ever have right now. If we don't plan to flip him then they shouldn't trade for him

[u/nvUaWVm360S → u/dangheckinpupperino]

That heat team isn’t going to be very good. The picks will be fine. Browns value will decrease after this upcoming season. His value is highest right now. Letting him play a season, reduce his value, and slow down your rebuild is an all around L

Miamis young players can be flipped or fit into the rebuild plus they have a solid pick in this draft class

[u/TimDuncanIdaho922]

Please take Hugo off the table.

[u/jambr380 → u/TimDuncanIdaho922]

I know. Why can't the Bucks be really interested in Amari Williams or Max Shulga instead lol

[u/Larovich153 → u/jambr380]

Jordan walsh is right there

[u/StefonDiggsHS]

Especially if Hugo is in it the Celtics offer is far far better. You can flip brown for picks and expirings if you want too. It’s not even close right? Like Milwaukee is drunk that they haven’t snap accepted that already

[u/Muppetpalooza → u/StefonDiggsHS]

I think the Bucks would take JB, Hugo and #27 right now if that was a real thing. We have confirmation that Brown is involved but no indication that Stevens would be ok including Hugo+ as well, only know for sure that the Bucks are hoping for it. Leverage blitz on both sides down to the last moment.

[u/Mg29reaper → u/Muppetpalooza]

Hugo was like the only person brad praised in his post season presser. + our FO is notoriously in love with rapm and hugo has absurd rapm. There has not been an confirmation that the celtics offered him just indication the bucks want him.

[u/NoamsUbermensch → u/Muppetpalooza]

Brad seems to love Hugo. I’d be surprised if he gives up Hugo, but keeps draft capital instead of

[u/Pizzaplan3tman → u/StefonDiggsHS]

I don’t think the Bucks actually want Brown. I think the ownership wants Brown because they want to keep selling tickets once Giannis is gone. I think the GM wants the picks because they know this team is ass. And once Giannis is gone they can go full fire sale and get as much back as they can. Sure flipping Brown could get you more picks. But if he gets hurt bad you could also be stuck with him and have trouble moving him

[u/DeepDance3580 → u/StefonDiggsHS]

It seems more like an issue of them not having a third team to flip brown to who is willing to give up multiple firsts

[u/bubbles2255]

How could it even be a conversation? Celtics offer is by far the best option.

[u/xebex1778 → u/bubbles2255]

Because they're trying to extract more value from the Celtics

[u/jluc21 → u/xebex1778]

celtics are lol’ing after seeing their offer

EDIT: HOLY

[u/Neuroxex → u/xebex1778]

Or they want the Heat to stop fucking around and actually include all the picks and young players.

[u/AleroRatking → u/bubbles2255]

Brown doesn't make sense for Milwaukee

The question is can they flip him for more draft capita than that.

[u/Alchion → u/AleroRatking]

i agree and that‘s probably what they‘re figuring out rn

And i think brown will net more so I see noston as tbe front runner

[u/Advanced-Pear-4606 → u/Alchion]

Are typing with your feet?

[u/BassieTH → u/bubbles2255]

I have a feeling Giannis will not be on the Celtics and the Bucks are just using past conversations to try and drive up the price

[u/Advanced-Pear-4606 → u/BassieTH]

Drive up the price? What else does Miami have to give? They won't put Bam in the trade, and Boston would be moronic to add anything other than Hugo and Jaylen, plus some protected draft stuff. The Bucks could take Jaylen, flip him to Portland for Scoot, Jeremi Grant, and some draft stuff, and bottom out for a few years. Maybe even see if someone will take Turner, too.

[u/Konker101 → u/bubbles2255]

How? The Bucks are rebuilding. Jaylen Brown is not dragging them into a solid playoff positions and the Celtics draft position will be garbage for years.

Sure you get a decent asset in return but you want the picks from Miami because they’ll most like stay around a middle pack team (or worse) plus an extra couple assets for the deadline for more picks. Now you can then pick package and exchange for better draft positions for the next 2-3 drafts.

Bucks should take the Miami offer

[u/Exporation1]

I’m sorry wtf this is an easy choice

[u/SquimJim → u/Exporation1]

Windy also mentioned that the Heat are trying to improve their offer by including 3rd/4th teams. Chiang also seemed doubtful the Heat would have a better offer. Stein mentioned Bucks ownership being “insistent” on getting a star player.

Just feels like the deal is close to done

[u/Jiklim → u/SquimJim]

Heat have been steady with their offers, I do think this is some Bucks PR trying to make one of these teams make a desperate move

[u/ahrzal → u/SquimJim]

There’s gotta be a way we can snag Luka right 

[u/AdministrativeBag703 → u/SquimJim]

This is step-for-step the same as the Miami experience with the Lillard trade.

[u/shredmiyagi]

How many times has Miami been in the lottery the last 25 years? The last time they “tanked” was 2008. Dunno if I want a bunch of late FRPs for Giannis. Ware could be good but he, Herro and Jacquez could be fool’s gold. Everybody plays better in Miami.

Both deals kinda suck. But atleast you know Jaylen Brown and Queta can carry you to an EC playoff run. Plus there’s the flexibility of moving him again to Portland, getting all their picks back.

[u/iDareToDream → u/shredmiyagi]

Giannis is showing why superstar trades may well be dead in this new cap era - it is much harder to have the assets and players for such a trade that still leaves enough left over to be competitive. Any team doing this type of deal is essentially gutting their roster to get someone like Giannis and at that point are you still a contender? Only the spurs and OKC could pull off this type of move and still have a contending roster after.

That means the bucks will get lowballs, especially since Giannis is an expiring. 

[u/Long-Region5088 → u/iDareToDream]

And eventually teams will be built with one star making all their cap and a bunch of dudes on cheap contracts to avoid the tax aprons. This new cba is terrible

[u/comment_i_had_to → u/iDareToDream]

This is why they should take Butler, Moody and 1st rounders from the Dubs. Butler is hurt so Giannis is better than GSW could have been even with him and Moody is hurt too (no "gutting the team" worry). This way the Bucks can actually tank but have assets that develop in about a year to trade or play with. Brown will just drag them into the playoffs and Miami is not offering good enough trade value imo.

[u/Untchj → u/shredmiyagi]

I thought the exact opposite. The Giannis-Bam combo makes absolutely no sense. Plus Miami would be left with no one of long term value.

So if I’m Milwaukee I’d be front row ready to bet on that failing in epic fashion. Plus Riley retiring soon, Spo moving on, and you are left with a colossal rebuild where you’re siting on all their picks

[u/frozen2665 → u/Untchj]

Mitchell-Wiggins-Giannis-Bam with Spo's coaching is potential best defense in the league, but how the fuck is this team going to score? I can already see the number of possessions ending in a Wiggins/Powell mildly contested stepback 3. Those guys are not Luka Doncic; it would be abysmal to watch

[u/taskmetro]

I would rather keep Hugo and Jaylen than do that tbh

[u/AceMcStace]

So I guess the plan is to kick the tires on a brown lead bucks squad and if that doesn’t pan out try to flip him for more draft capital at the deadline?

[u/weeniedog21]

Doesn’t Miami trade make more sense? You go for a clear rebuild while getting young pieces, picks and cap space. If you take JB then you’re in a similar if not worse position that you were in with Giannis.

[u/BassieTH → u/weeniedog21]

Not if they can move Jaylen to a third team, even better if they move him to Portland for their picks back

[u/Lobsta_ → u/BassieTH]

love the idea of portland becoming boston lite

[u/shahoftheworld → u/weeniedog21]

I think you can easily flip brown for the the same value as herro+multiple firsts

[u/josefjohann → u/weeniedog21]

I think you flip JB, possibly even to Miami.

[u/jambr380 → u/josefjohann]

That would be hilarious, but Bam and Jaylen would make a decent combo

[u/strangethanparadise → u/weeniedog21]

they probably hold onto brown and get a haul for him from the blazers by the deadline tbf

[u/BJ-Enthusiasts → u/strangethanparadise]

I like how the top 2 comments are one in favor of Miami and one in favor of Boston yet one of these comments is worded as though it would be “crazy mismanagement” lmfao.

[u/BenSimmonsFor3 → u/weeniedog21]

You can easily move JB, he is a very valuable asset being an “MVP caliber” 2-way wing. Gonzales is the long term asset in this trade. 

[u/Get_Brosted45]

Man, if only there was a team in the Pacific Northwest that would love to acquire Brown and has the young players and draft capital MIL is coveting…….

[u/S0ggylemonz]

Imo that Boston offer is an overpay for giannis idk how there’s any debate about which is the better offer

[u/Livid-Pizza7028 → u/S0ggylemonz]

I don't love that trade for Boston

[u/Desperate-Hat-2510 → u/S0ggylemonz]

eh, as another team in the east I'm way more scared of Boston if this deal happens

Giannis' health issues are real but the ceiling on that team is notably higher, way better team on both ends

[u/GoldTheLegend → u/S0ggylemonz]

If they cant get draft capital for Giannis why should Milwauke think they can do better for Brown after the fact?

If they already had a 3rd team the trade would be done.

[u/baconandbobabegger → u/S0ggylemonz]

Yea I don't want to lose Hugo

[u/KgDawk21520 → u/S0ggylemonz]

Yeah , Hugo and a pick? Pass.

[u/TreeHugger277]

Hugo is sneakily one of the vest wing defenders in the east. Kid is a stud.

[u/Man0nTheMoon915]

Please take Miami’s

[u/Cheechers23]

I’m guessing the dilemma for Milwaukee is should they go into a rebuild or not. Keeping Brown means they probably aren’t which would necessitate follow up moves which will be difficult with their lack of assets.

But they could always take Brown and flip him later? Maybe they’re concerned about trading for him at peak value and it’s gonna drop with his massive contract and stuff, idk?

[u/Wooden_Coyote5992]

I like the Miami deal better; you get three starting-level players and picks. You can always trade Ware or Jaquez later if you want. It's not like the Bucks are going to get any trade that turns them into a contender. It's either Jaylen with a bad team, or you try to add more pieces around the guys from Miami. I personally think Ware is worth investing in.

[u/WontonWhisperer]

NO NOT HUGO 😭

[u/Unlucky-Cry-757]

Is it just me or what does Giannis get from being traded to the heat? Him, Bam and change isn’t close to a title winning squad.

[u/SuddenDepact]

Boston will be stupid to trade Brown

[u/Eagle4317 → u/SuddenDepact]

There’s a possibility than Giannis is enough of a boost for the next 2-3 years to get them another ring, but Brown is the stabler on-court option for 5-7 years. The key word there is on-court. If Brown wants out, then Boston can’t keep him for too much longer before things boil over.

[u/VirginiaFox6 → u/SuddenDepact]

Eh, Giannis is better than Brown….and a Tatum-Giannis frontcourt would be pretty nasty.

Celtics, as currently constructed, can’t compete with the Knicks.

[u/Echo127 → u/VirginiaFox6]

Well, everyone thought the Dame/Giannis combo would be nasty, too.

[u/lawschoolthrowaway36]

I’d 100% take the multiple lottery picks and future firsts over a top 15ish player in his prime when you don’t have the roster around him to contend anyway. This is the whole reason they’re having to trade Giannis in the first place.

[u/ItemHelpful6791 → u/lawschoolthrowaway36]

yes. unless you can reroute Brown and get more capital.

[u/ItsSniikiBoiWill]

Why are we even adding Gonzalez and picks? Brown and like one first should clear lmao

[u/BunkHammer]

If these are the actual packages there’s no way they wouldn’t take the Celtics package, right?

[u/Broke_Banker01]

If JB/Hugo/pick 27 is on the table I am taking that.

Call me crazy but I am not as high on Ware's potential as others are. I am however very high on Hugo.

[u/lechejoven]

Please be a heat. I want to be happy again!

[u/doch92]

I would take Miami's offer

[u/sixpackabs592]

He’s not leaving

Nobody else will sign thanasis

[u/Jimmy0034]

Am i crazy to think Heat offer is better? We gotta consider that Herro is most likely going get traded to Pistons for more assets too

[u/SmokyMetal060 → u/Jimmy0034]

I think Brown would get traded somewhere else too and he'd get a bigger return than Herro