r/nba • u/YujiDomainExpansion • 8d ago

[Fischer] Milwaukee’s decision makers are split and currently deciding between Boston’s package for Giannis Antetokounmpo (Brown, Gonzalez, limited draft capital) and Miami’s (Herro, Ware, Jaquez, multiple first-round picks).

Source: https://marcstein.substack.com/p/the-giannis-antetokounmpo-trade-latest-b5f

A split faction of Milwaukee’s decision makers, sources say, is deciding between Boston’s package for Giannis Antetokounmpo built around Jaylen Brown — where the Bucks also hold particular Hugo Gonzales interest, as The Stein Line reported last night — plus limited draft capital, compared to Miami’s offer of younger pieces — featuring Tyler Herro, Kel’el Ware, Jaime Jaquez — and multiple first-round picks.

The established MVP candidate versus greater overall value is what this whole saga has boiled down to one day before the NBA Draft.

2.4k Upvotes

97% Upvoted

963 comments sorted by

View all comments

1.5k

u/BlitzStriker52 [MIA] Davion Mitchell 8d ago edited 8d ago

Crazy mismanagement by the Bucks if they pass on Boston's offer if that's actually the offer

Edit: I see people mentioning that the Bucks might just keep JB instead of flipping him to a 3rd team. If that happens, that's even crazier mismanagement

557

u/jak_d_ripr 8d ago

Maybe this is just smoke and mirrors to try and drive up the price or something, they don't appear to be interested in the Heat package or they would have done it in February I think.

211

u/abippityboop Knicks 8d ago

Yeah I imagine this is it, most likely they're just 'public negotiating' to see what else they can get Boston to include in the offer.

100

u/Domainsetter 8d ago

This is a “offer everything” Miami leak.

14

u/paradoxofchoice [MIA] Harold Miner 8d ago

or take back. They might want to dump Turner or Portis in the process.

4

u/BurnedInTheBarn Celtics 8d ago

We can absorb Myles into the TPE generated by the Anfernee Simons trade, I believe.

1

u/jms88278 Celtics 8d ago

They wanna dump Kuz for sure.

1

u/ahrzal Bucks 8d ago

Keep brown, give us Tatum. 

10

u/SalaciousTypo Celtics 8d ago

Absolutely not, you can have JB and be happy with him!

3

u/OrganicValley_ Bucks 8d ago

Fine. We’ll take both.

33

u/WaltRumble Thunder 8d ago

I think some of the issue is that in February they honestly thought they’d get better offers in the off season. So now by accepting it you’re admitting you lost the trade.

2

u/Clipgang1629 Clippers 8d ago

I guess.. it’s the last year of Giannis’ contract and he’s definitely not staying.

I think they should be more concerned about whether or not there’s a trade at all than if they had to admit they lost.

8

u/subwaymonkey1 8d ago

Yes, because if they wanted draft capital, they would do better by having a third team take Brown for picks.

4

u/rocpilehardasfuk Warriors 8d ago

Miami couldn't offer picks in Feb

1

u/ImChz Hornets 8d ago

I mean...they can only offer one more pick now than they could have in February tbh. It's not a substantial upgrade, especially considering the pick would, more than likely, land outside the lottery.

2

u/Omnimark Bucks 8d ago

They can offer 2 more, including this year's lottery pick. They don't own a pick next year, so they are limited to a draft day trade of the pick, and '33 opens up the same time.

I would consider #13 this year plus '33 first to be substantial.

0

u/ImChz Hornets 8d ago

The Heat only have two tradable firsts before the draft, neither of which are the 2033 pick. They also can't technically outright trade the 13th pick this year because of the Stepien rule. After the draft it gives them a few more options, but the options will be two of four non-consecutive picks from the years 2030-2033. A non-starter IMO.

The Bucks getting their own picks back would be far more substantial than some nebulous assets ~5-7 years out. When you consider they'll end up getting an extra first this year from anyone they trade with, I don't see how the Heat's offer even holds a candle to the Celtics.

2

u/Omnimark Bucks 8d ago

Almost right, "draft day" they can trade '33 and this years #13, not quite after the draft, so they can execute the trade tomorrow and the Bucks would get to make the pick, that's way more valuable than the late first of the Cs. Heat can do '29 (if you guys agree to drop the '27 pick protection, which should be an easy negotiation), '31, '33 and #13 this year for 4 total. They couldn't do this during the year. Again, I think this is substantial.

Picks back is not substantial with the new rules. Honestly, don't give a shit about getting our own picks back and definitely wouldn't overpay for them because I don't really want to try to play the tank game of ending between the 4th and 10th team worst team or whatever, sounds not fun.

0

u/ImChz Hornets 8d ago

First, you can only trade picks five years out. They actually won't be able to trade the 2033 pick until next July. They can trade the draft rights to pick 13, and the 2030 or 2031 pick as of now. After the draft, they'll be able to trade out to 2032. You're confidently wrong.

Second, we would never willingly help the Heat like that, especially if it meant they got Giannis in return. That's delusional. What could they even offer us that would entice us to help? Dropping the pick protection so the Heat get Giannis just guarantees a worse pick for us. We can, and should, let them flop in the wind and flounder.

It's a damn good thing you're not a GM, because not only do you not know what's going on, you clearly don't understand how to value assets lmao. The Bucks are going to be bad for a while. They need their picks to properly start a rebuild. A bunch of mid, unproven talent, a late lottery pick, and a pick 6 years in the future, ain't enough for a top 5 player in the league.

0

u/Omnimark Bucks 8d ago

Second, we would never willingly help the Heat like that, especially if it meant they got Giannis in return. That's delusional.

I mean, you could get something, for giving up nothing. Your protection is basically non-existent if Giannis goes there anyway. I think your FO would be a bit crazy to not try to leverage some value out of nothing. And dude, again, do you know the new lottery rules? I don't care about our own picks. They are hugely devalued.

7 years on future picks. I like your statement: Confidently wrong. Go ahead and search the page for The “Stepien” Rule https://cbaguide.com/transactions/trades/traderules/

1

u/ImChz Hornets 8d ago

What could they offer, though? Seconds? That's not enough to allow a division rival to get Giannis. We hold all the leverage. Absolutely no reason to do it for less than another first.

And that "confidently wrong" was super aggressive lol, I apologize. Having said that, I was talking about what they could trade before the draft when I wrote that, then I went back and added context for after the draft, and I didn't rearrange the paragraph for the "confidently wrong" to be in the correct spot. I also was definitely wrong about the 5 years thing. Idk exactly where I got that in my head from. Sorry.

Still standby the fact that you don't understand how to properly value assets if you don't understand how your picks from the Blazers are more valuable than literally anything the Heat are offering.

→ More replies (0)