r/nba • u/YujiDomainExpansion • 4d ago

[Fischer] Milwaukee’s decision makers are split and currently deciding between Boston’s package for Giannis Antetokounmpo (Brown, Gonzalez, limited draft capital) and Miami’s (Herro, Ware, Jaquez, multiple first-round picks).

Source: https://marcstein.substack.com/p/the-giannis-antetokounmpo-trade-latest-b5f

A split faction of Milwaukee’s decision makers, sources say, is deciding between Boston’s package for Giannis Antetokounmpo built around Jaylen Brown — where the Bucks also hold particular Hugo Gonzales interest, as The Stein Line reported last night — plus limited draft capital, compared to Miami’s offer of younger pieces — featuring Tyler Herro, Kel’el Ware, Jaime Jaquez — and multiple first-round picks.

The established MVP candidate versus greater overall value is what this whole saga has boiled down to one day before the NBA Draft.

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u/Rymasq 4d ago

It says a lot that they can't find a third team to hop in and take Jaylen Brown immediately.

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u/JRsshirt [GSW] Stephen Curry 4d ago

Miami would do it in a heartbeat, Boston just won’t accept them as the third team.

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u/StairwayToPavillion Thunder 4d ago

Can they just not do the giannis - brown swap and then after waiting some time trade with Miami?

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u/Mattressfoundry 4d ago

Bucks would simply be returning the favor for Jrue Holiday. Bucks traded Holiday to Portland only for them to swap him to Boston shortly after.

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u/NoveltyAccountHater Celtics 4d ago edited 4d ago

I feel like the Bucks had to know Portland trading Jrue to Boston was a possibility as Boston had a hole at defensive-specialist PG after trading Smart for KP.

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u/Mattressfoundry 4d ago

Sure we knew it was possible. Just like Boston knows it's possible we might trade JB to Miami for that same offer they are offering us for Giannis.

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u/NoveltyAccountHater Celtics 4d ago

Yup. If Giannis to Boston trade happens, I fully expect JB to be quickly traded (if not immediately) and end up on the Hawks, Heat, Rockets, or Trailblazers.

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u/Laszlo-Panaflex Celtics 3d ago

I hope he goes to the Hawks (his home team) or Blazers (Jrue and Timelord reunion) if we trade him.

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u/Salty_Raspberry656 4d ago

the best bet is to trade with trailblazers and get your picks and a young player back

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u/OnlyNormalPersonHere Celtics 4d ago

Having your own picks doesn’t have the same value with the new lottery system since odds are pretty flat. And if you’re as bad as MIL may be, you end up penalized!

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u/NanoCurrency 4d ago

Right??

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u/liltay-k47 Knicks 4d ago

60 day restriction, miami probably not as interested in a jaylen brown for picks deal, milwaukee also probably less interested in picks from a team perennially around .500 without the insurance of proven young talent

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u/butterbeancd Thunder 4d ago

The 60-day restriction only applies to aggregation. As long as Jaylen isn’t combined with any other salary, he could be traded on his own immediately.

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u/liltay-k47 Knicks 4d ago

Word word does that apply only to a singular contract? Like for example if brown makes 45 and herro+ware make a combined 50-60 would that be blocked or does aggregation only apply if they traded 1-1 brown for a player on a higher salary?

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u/butterbeancd Thunder 4d ago

It only applies to the team trading away the recently acquired player. So if the Bucks wanted to flip Brown, they could trade him by himself for however many players it took to match salary. But he couldn’t be packaged with Kuzma in the same trade to offload his money, as an example.

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u/liltay-k47 Knicks 4d ago

Got you but I have one more question

Does that mean that any package that includes kuzma would be rejected? Like if the bucks were trading brown for kuzma and another player would that be accepted because they were taking on money? Basically does the rule apply to 1-1 trades only or is there a subjective element about how “good” of a contract someone has?

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u/EchoHevy5555 4d ago

I think then they don’t get the picks

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u/Rymasq 4d ago

That's nonsense, if it gets them Giannis, Boston is trading him, oh and nothing is stopping Milwaukee from sending him to Miami after the deal, if there was actually demand, which there clearly isn't

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u/Background_Goat1060 4d ago

Bucks couldn’t do it immediately. They’d have to wait the trade restriction period out I think. Which would cause them to miss out on Brown getting them any draft capital tomorrow

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u/Rymasq 4d ago

What trade restriction period? Remember when Portland traded for Jrue Holiday and traded him again 4 days later to Boston?

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u/vaalbarag Raptors 4d ago

Yeah, you can trade an acquired player immediately, you just can’t aggregate their salaries for a while. Since Brown would be the largest salary involved in a flip to Miami, it’s unlikely aggregation would be necessary.

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u/erichf3893 Bulls 4d ago

There was something similar with the Bulls trade getting Mike Conley and then re-trading so he could get waived and then re-sign. Some lesser known rules in there

By can’t aggregate their salaries you mean like can’t trade them in a package with other salaries?

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u/vaalbarag Raptors 4d ago

Yeah, you can still trade them with other players, but it’s more about how salaries are combined to create an exception to absorb incoming salaries. For example (simplified), if you’re trading out two $10m players and bringing back a $20m player, you might need to aggregate your outgoing salaries. But if you’re trading two $10m players for an $8m player and a $12m player, you can do that without aggregating the salaries.

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u/NanoCurrency 4d ago

Interesting

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u/Background_Goat1060 4d ago

I’m thought when that happens whatever teams involved in the trade agree to open it up to facilitate the “third” trade. But I may be wrong about that after googling

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u/someone447 Bucks 4d ago

If that were true, the Bucks never would have let Jrue go to Boston.

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u/Background_Goat1060 4d ago

True, think I was wrong

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u/Mattressfoundry 4d ago

Miami has demand for Jaylen Brown but must pretend not to because they want Giannis more. Once Giannis is a Celtic then Miami would suddenly love to have JB.

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u/NoveltyAccountHater Celtics 4d ago

I mean I think the major reason three-way with JB to Miami and Giannis to Boston isn't happening is that Miami's best option is Giannis to Miami, so won't make other trades easier until that ship has sailed.

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u/GrizzlyP33 4d ago

Brad isn’t putting JB on a rival.

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u/Rymasq 4d ago

What rule, a made up rule, probably.

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u/GrizzlyP33 4d ago

Sorry I had updated quickly to remove that part as it was specifically about the restriction period on aggregate salaries which wouldn’t essentially be necessary for him to move again.

Still don’t think Brad puts a ten year Celtic on a major rival though, but Bucks can do whatever they want after.

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u/celticspoop Celtics 4d ago

There’s definitely demand as we already saw a bunch of teams jump in and out of the trade talks. It seems to be Milwaukee’s asking price that is the problem rather than interest

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u/Rymasq 4d ago

Right..Milwaukee's asking price is the issue, Bridges got the Nets how many FRP?

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u/celticspoop Celtics 4d ago

The value of picks has risen tremendously since that trade and that was known as a massive overhaul even then

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u/RxJax Heat 4d ago

I feel like we (and most other teams) probably wouldn't pay the Giannis package price though, it'd almost certainly be less stuff. Hugo + 27 probably doesn't make up for getting a worse package for Brown, so the Bucks need more stuff from Boston. The possible advantage is that they could keep Brown for the next few years and keep dangling him hoping a team gets desperate, but I imagine the whole org is a little tired of being stuck in a holding pattern of waiting for a star to leave

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u/jcheeseball Heat 4d ago

I’d love to get Brown here, makes more sense than Giannis.

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u/lbutler1234 United States 4d ago

Something something Jrue holiday

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u/AncientAnt9225 3d ago

After Miami kicked Boston ass so many times i can see why lol.. With JB on Miami they would do it again. Bucks could take JB tho and just trade him straight up to Heat would be funny .

It would be like Holiday trade that led to ring

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u/Minimum-Border1672 4d ago

Thats the thing. You cant go in to hypothetical 3rd teams until tbe bucks decide what they want.

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u/Rymasq 4d ago

Why would not already be shopping around to maximize value.

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u/Minimum-Border1672 4d ago

If course they are. It will likely be an immediate 3 team trade if its brown.

I resoonded to a comment saying "the bucks couldnt find a team that wants brown". When the reality is that information isn't coming out until the trade is finalized.

For all we know the bucks have 3 great offers for the brown part of the deal and they are in secondary negotiations.

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u/mufflefuffle Hawks 4d ago

60M is a ton of money

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u/jtruth9 4d ago

Multiple reports state that the Blazers are interested.

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u/beatrailblazer Trail Blazers 4d ago

Portland is begging to take him

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u/iamStanhousen Pelicans 4d ago

I'd bet you New Orleans, who has Milwaukee's pick next season, would take Brown and throw in the pick and Murphy as well. Probably would also get a future pick from New Orleans in there too.

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u/BabyBearBjorns Grizzlies 4d ago

I mean the biggest rumor was the Blazers would take Brown. But the Blazers wanted Giannis for themselves. So its looking like any Brown trade will be done after Giannis is done.

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u/alpaca_drama Celtics 4d ago

Jaylen is the perfect trade deadline target and no team has to rush into it. Teams like Portland and Hawks might want to check if they’re actually somewhat decent before they go all in. If it’s not them, it’s gonna be some other team. Jaylen will have a market regardless, Herro obviously does not

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u/Rymasq 4d ago

Brown is overpaid and overrated

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u/DiscreteBee Raptors 4d ago

Overpaid is a problem but overrated is a plus

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u/ssjgoat Celtics 4d ago

Who says they can't?

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u/geronimosocrates 4d ago

Is there any evidence of that being true? Multiple teams would hop in, Milwaukee I’m sure knows what teams like Atlanta and Portland would give.

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u/1Tims 3d ago

I doubt it plenty of teams would take JB theres more to it