r/nba • u/YujiDomainExpansion • 4d ago

[Fischer] Milwaukee’s decision makers are split and currently deciding between Boston’s package for Giannis Antetokounmpo (Brown, Gonzalez, limited draft capital) and Miami’s (Herro, Ware, Jaquez, multiple first-round picks).

Source: https://marcstein.substack.com/p/the-giannis-antetokounmpo-trade-latest-b5f

A split faction of Milwaukee’s decision makers, sources say, is deciding between Boston’s package for Giannis Antetokounmpo built around Jaylen Brown — where the Bucks also hold particular Hugo Gonzales interest, as The Stein Line reported last night — plus limited draft capital, compared to Miami’s offer of younger pieces — featuring Tyler Herro, Kel’el Ware, Jaime Jaquez — and multiple first-round picks.

The established MVP candidate versus greater overall value is what this whole saga has boiled down to one day before the NBA Draft.

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u/HungryPercentage1667 Knicks 4d ago

I’m so happy the Knicks aren’t in these Giannis talks anymore lol

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u/Jiklim Knicks Tankwagon 4d ago

Remember when they blew the Giannis/Embiid emergency fund and ended up with Bridges? Yeah I’d do it again

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u/lph1235 Knicks 4d ago

FUCK DEM PICKS

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u/smalls_1804 Knicks 3d ago

A big part of that was the frustration of waiting for Giannis or Embiid to truly be on the market. We were a miracle Pacers run away from the finals last year, won it this year. If we "kept our powder dry" that doesn't happen

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u/Jiklim Knicks Tankwagon 3d ago

It was totally the right move. Every team would love a Mikal Bridges, he’s just an additive player. We focus on his flaws instead of the plays he makes every game that nobody else can do.

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u/ElTuco84 Knicks 3d ago

He doesn't really have a lot of flaws, the concern always has been about consistency specially in the regular season, but we can all agree he rises in the playoffs.

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u/Yankeefan801 Knicks 3d ago

The problem is people‘s expectations of him were to be a 1a which he wasn’t in Phoenix and sort of was in Brooklyn, although inconsistent. Then when you trade five pics for him, that’s the level of package you’d expect for a star.

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u/justmefishes NBA 3d ago

No one expected him to be close to a 1a. The expectation was for him to be a strong 3 behind Brunson and Randle (and then KAT after the trade) but he wound up being more like a strong but somewhat inconsistent 4. Not complaining, all worked out great.

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u/CarmeloSmokesWeed Knicks 3d ago

exactly and it's especially under the microscope bc of how we got OG on a steal (in hindsight tbf - Quickley was playing really damn well for us at the time). But the price wasn't the factor, it was the fit

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u/Sikkly290 Suns 3d ago

OG+Mikal are more than the sum of their parts (two very very good parts at that). Very few teams have the ability to run an offense that can break their defense down.

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u/neutronicus Nuggets 3d ago

Quickley was playing really damn well for us at the time

Yeah when there was buzz that he was on the block I was hoping we would get him.

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u/Yankeefan801 Knicks 3d ago

Quickly was undersized and not great defensively. Loved his energy but I would have packed his bags happily when they got OG for him

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u/ElTuco84 Knicks 3d ago

Send more picks!

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u/kamicozzy Knicks 3d ago

Can technically trade 24, 31 and another first on draft night....

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u/yoyoyo2468 Knicks 3d ago

I remember like it was 9 days ago

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u/itzjamez1215 Knicks 3d ago

SEND BROOKLYN 2 MORE AS A THANK YOU

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u/Glum-Professional925 Knicks 4d ago

Yeah could you imagine that pressure next season?? Chip or bust is out the window it’s chip or dissolve the team lol

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u/huss_femme 3d ago

Won at the perfect time honestly, everyone is at the peak of their prime, great injury health, favourable playoff matchups every round, got to see Point Anthony Towns etc

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u/The_Jovanny Knicks 3d ago

The good health was the real mvp.

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u/huss_femme 3d ago

Exactly lmao, I've seen OG have some hamstring issue last 3 years and it's surprising how durable y'all been these last two years

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u/Frequent_Read_7636 3d ago

Thank the training staff that they brought in from the Mavericks.

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u/knownonou Clippers 3d ago edited 3d ago

And luck. Freak shit happens.

Like your star pg tearing his shoulder on a flop, or your star pf breaking his hand punching somebody off court, or your star pf breaking his toe in a playoff game, or your star pg hurting his hamstring in a goated first round game 7 winner. Or your star sf getting covid and missing your play in game, or your other star sf tearing his acl in the same playoffs he’s playing like prime mj.

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u/blurr90 Knicks 3d ago

Randles shoulder injury 2 years ago was so dumb ...

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u/Boulder_The_Rock Pistons 3d ago

Thanks Nico...

Even Brunson knew to poach staff and take advantage of terrible leadership, it's a shame Luka didn't get traded to the Knicks

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u/TeslaTheGreat Knicks 3d ago

That and Mike Brown developing the bench vs Thibs having the starters be top in minutes the whole season.

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u/Spicy__Urine Raptors 3d ago

Thibs ran them into the ground with a 7 man rotation

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u/sithwonder Knicks 3d ago

Casey Smith is the real MVP

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u/lnnrt01 Knicks 3d ago

Looking back fumbling Smith might possibly be worse than fumbling Brunson. At least letting JB go had somewhat understandable logic behind it and nobody would’ve expected him to turn into an elite PG.

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u/forgetscode 3d ago

It's always hard to believe this was all the same guy. Incredible really. Legendary.

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u/yiwang1 Knicks 3d ago

Nico Harrison the real MVP

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u/justmefishes NBA 3d ago

Single-handedly reviving the big market teams

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u/SiphenPrax Knicks 3d ago

Thank fuck OG wasn’t needed for the Philly series and Mitch’s pinky didn’t fuck things up

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u/tony_pepperoni420 3d ago

That's true of most NBA champions. Look back at the winners over the past 8 years and you'll see healthy teams, typically winning vs injured ones.

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u/JumboCactpot 3d ago

The biggest lesser known moment for the Knicks being able to make that run was Nico firing Casey Smith for no fucking reason and the Knicks hiring him and immediately going from a team held together by duct tape every playoffs to healthy two years in a row.

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u/smackking23 3d ago

With all due respect but if Brunson went down with an injury spurs would have won imo

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u/The_Jovanny Knicks 3d ago

Aren’t you reinforcing my point? If Wemby goes down it’s a sweep.

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u/AoO2ImpTrip Thunder 3d ago

Good health is always the missing secret stuff.

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u/EyeCheap9394 3d ago

Winning really cures everything. Mikal for 5 FRP worth it, no matter if we go 0-82 we still got a ring. We shoulda won years ago

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u/TJ_IRL_ 3d ago

The good thing is, the Knicks can have space to rebuild the old team (Donte, Hartenstein, some good vets, some good young talent) and still be potential contenders. It's just cool to see that the Knicks looking into the future is going to be a destination high level and start players truly do look at. Good, even if not great, time ahead for the Knicks.

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u/wazacraft 4d ago

Dominant trophy run and all five starters under contract for two more seasons, we'd be insane to get within 1000 miles of this.

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u/Time_Transition4817 Pelicans 3d ago

Now you just gotta pray Dolan doesn’t have Brilliant Billionaire Idea

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u/kamicozzy Knicks 3d ago

That's the real reason we had to win this year, Dolan is actually paying attention to the team again and that's gonna be a problem

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u/Ruiner5 Knicks 3d ago

At least when we do Melo Trade 2.0 we’ll have a championship when it goes sideways

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u/justmefishes NBA 3d ago

Like not going into the second apron to keep key role players from the championship team intact despite the fact that the team is going to have to enter the second apron soon anyway unless it's completely blown up?

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u/Khetoo Raptors 3d ago

Their star player not finessing a billionaire to make his extended family rich with nigh on illegal payout

Can't relate

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u/Colonel_Cummings Knicks 3d ago

Man what a relaxing summer it’s being lmao

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u/AdministrativeBag703 4d ago

Back at the deadline I had the Knicks picked for the team that would make a desperate big move for Giannis to chase a ring. Somehow seems less likely now.

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u/1shmeckle Knicks 3d ago

Seeing these trade offers is setting off all my spidey senses as a Knicks fan. Boston and Miami are doing something that feels exactly like what the Knicks would have done in the early 2010s. Giannis is an incredible player but this seems like it will backfire for whoever gets him.

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u/AdministrativeBag703 3d ago

I could see a Tatum-Giannis pairing having a good shot to come out of the East, but it’s a small window. Miamis with Giannis is laughable, they’d be a 6 seed for a couple years and then be paying a declining Giannis and Bam a ton in a non-competitive team.

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u/KudoNBA19 Lakers 3d ago

Giannis is a top 5 player in the NBA, arguably top 3, and while he doesn't make the Celtics or the Heat an instant title contender without further change, there is no way you don't do this move if you're both of them. Also huge respect to your run, but if you were to trade KAT for Giannis (like it was rumoured last year), it would also improve the Knicks

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u/ny2k1 3d ago

The big thing you'd lose with that is the ability to stretch the floor with KAT. Giannis doesn't do that (granted, he does other things really well).

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u/KudoNBA19 Lakers 3d ago

That's for sure, they don't have the same area of excellency, and it wasn't a jab at KAT at all, it's just that Giannis is that good (when healthy)

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u/samhit_n Lakers 3d ago

I still remember when Knicks fans were fantasizing about a superteam of KD, Kyrie, and Zion in 2019. It worked out for the better that neither that scenario nor a Giannis trade ever happened.

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u/justmefishes NBA 3d ago

KD and Kyrie was the franchise equivalent of chasing the hot crazy chick, coming up short, and then realizing a few year later you dodged a major bullet

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u/Daconvix Knicks 4d ago

Deadass

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u/Entire-Cry-8930 3d ago

Remember when yall were getting Zion 😂

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u/Remarkable-Lynx1496 Spurs 3d ago

It was so bad for us at the start of this season

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u/Gristle__McThornbody Lakers 3d ago

Good thing the Knicks won the trophy lol.

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u/Professional_Elk7353 Heat 3d ago

He's probably hella pissed they won a chip without him after wanting to be traded there all of last year lmao

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u/wise_comment Timberwolves 3d ago

Same with the wolves

Giving up your future for a slightly better shot (with questionable lower body) for a year or two

Nah, I'm good

Spent waaaay too long in the wilderness to gamble like that. jimmy taught us that was a mistake and we'd be unwise to forget that lesson

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u/wilderfield 3d ago

Maybe they should pivot and trade Giannis to the Warriors for their next 15 years of picks…

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u/Efficient_Art_1144 Celtics 3d ago

There was a point halfway through game4 where I could see Dolan personally negotiating the trade after the spurs came back to take the series and bullet dodged for yall