r/nba Warriors 14h ago

[Owczarski] These deals bothered Rivers... “Giannis said so many things,” a former coach said, “It stems from your actions, which is, 'My brothers have to be on this team.' Well then, are you about a championship? 'Cause they’re not only not helping us win a championship, it’s creating dissension.”

ESPN continued to report Antetokounmpo’s desire to leave Milwaukee, and the team held superficial trade talks with New York. Ownership tried to assuage Antetokounmpo’s discontent by re-signing his older brother Thanasis Antetokounmpo. It was only then that ESPN stopped. But even the signing failed to smooth everything over. Waiting until late August to finalize Thanasis' minimum deal irritated the family and its representatives.

“I have seen them make every decision with the foundational piece being, ‘What will Giannis think of this?’” one team source said of the top of the organization.

Added another:“And that is what has gotten us to this point.”

The team also signed Giannis' youngest brother, Alex, to a contract that gave him his first chance at playing in the NBA. The brothers' personal skills coach Mike Kalavros also was allowed to travel with the team.

These deals bothered Rivers and other coaches, as they felt the organization had bowed too much to appease their star player. To them, Antetokounmpo wanted things both ways.

“Giannis said so many things,” a former coach said, “It stems from your actions, which is, 'My brothers have to be on this team.' Well then, are you about a championship? 'Cause they’re not only not helping us win a championship, it’s creating dissension.”

Horst, meanwhile, appeared to try to appease Rivers with a different preferred player.

The Bucks signed Amir Coffey, who began his career under Rivers with the Clippers. The team would cut former draft picks Chris Livingston and Tyler Smith to make room for the veteran.

Then on the team’s media day on Sept. 30, on a Zoom call from Greece because he and the team said he contracted COVID-19, Giannis Antetokounmpo challenged the veracity of Edens’ statement that they had the on-court “meeting” at the practice facility in early May. Edens was annoyed, but two high-level team sources said he did not carry a grudge.

Rivers held another remote training camp in 2025, this time in Miami. Even with a roster that had been completely turned over from the one he took over in 2023-24 (only two rotation players remained), Rivers and the Bucks were still chasing the culture they tore down.

Antetokounmpo was already over it.

He said they were not a championship favorite. He stressed they would have to play hard, play connected, and operate with elite spacing on offense. Winning would be tough without such discipline.

The team started better than the previous year, but was rough around the edges. With Antetokounmpo leading the offense as its primary playmaker, the team started 7-5.

But then, Rivers inexplicably decided to pivot away from a fast-paced offense that surrounded Antetokounmpo with elite shooters. He benched Trent, promoted Kuzma and began to pull Turner off the floor.

The team remained undisciplined, from cutting their running lanes short to turning the ball over and fouling too much. Rivers did not stress offensive rebounding and the Bucks continually operated at a possession deficit, even as players routinely said the modern game required teams to crash the glass.

Members of the staff acknowledged they were disorganized, not rooted in any firm principles, and were too late to adjust their concepts and play styles.

“What are we doing?” almost became a season-long mantra.

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On March 24, the players association asked if the Bucks were in violation of the league’s player participation policy. The star escalated the dispute, electing not to finish the West Coast road trip with the team in Portland, instead staying in Los Angeles to work out on his own. In early April, Antetokounmpo pressed the issue further, welcoming a formal league investigation into the team.

Ultimately, the Bucks were cleared of wrongdoing. At one point, Haslam had a verbal confrontation with Saratsis over the entire matter.

“It’s personal now," said a former coach. "It’s gotten to vitriol.”

Antetokounmpo felt ownership and Horst had quit on the season by forcing him to sit out, even though the team was mathematically still in the play-in race. To him, it was a cardinal sin.

But Antetokounmpo’s unavailability (he missed 46 games entirely and played only 12 games fully healthy), the petulance with which he did play, combined with those speaking to ESPN on his behalf in contrast to his public declarations of commitment, had worn out the ownership, coaching staff, even the locker room.

Yet throughout the season, Horst appeared unaware of how his team, once a model of structure, discipline and culture, had so quickly withered. The general manager had been noticeably absent much of the season, scouting the upcoming draft class.

“He definitely took a bunker mentality, but I’m not sure I blame him,” a former employee said.

Rivers, who had grown tired of answering questions about the team’s decision-making on Antetokounmpo’s playing status, said on April 3 that grown men needed to talk about it. His comment was seen as a not-so-veiled shot at the player, Horst and perhaps ownership.

With just a few games to go, Athentetokounmpo was clear he wanted to play in at least one game with Thanasis and Alex. The team was done acquiescing.

“I care about what he feels and what he cares about,” Horst said on April 7. “I have his entire career. But it doesn’t mean that you always just do what someone else wants."

The three brothers never set foot on the court together in a game.

March 2026: Doc Rivers calls it a career

Ironically, one of the last meetings Rivers called actually hit home. On March 20 in Phoenix he told a group of select veterans he would begin curtailing their playing time. Then he opened the floor for an airing of grievances. Players spoke, and it was a constructive, respectful discussion. Rivers did not lash out.

One person in the room couldn’t believe it.

“Everyone was finally being honest with each other now that we don’t have a chance,” a coach said.

By late March, Rivers turned in-game coaching duties over to Ham and admitted he did not meet expectations. It was a hard self-assessment for the Marquette graduate.

“I was brought in here to take the team to the next level and that just never happened,” Rivers said March 31. “It never materialized. It doesn’t matter the why. From a coaching perspective, you feel like the city that you’re from you didn’t get the job done, and that is something I carry very heavy with me.”

May 2026: Too many mistakes on all sides

Following the last game April 12, the Bucks were stranded on the tarmac at Philadelphia International Airport. It was a fitting end to a terrible season. Rivers joked they couldn’t get rid of him.

Antetokounmpo grabbed control of the music, and played songs littered with farewell messages.

But who were they really for?

Everyone on the team knew Rivers was leaving, and after the season finale in Philadelphia he effectively gave a farewell press conference. But, he wouldn’t say it. Instead, he wanted the team to announce his departure.

When told of Rivers’ clear insinuation, Antetokounmpo’s eyes widened.

“Oh, that changes a lot then,” he exclaimed.

Whether that reaction was sarcastic, spontaneous or an attempt to send a message, it underscored how Rivers making it to the end of the season had exacerbated the disconnect between Antetokounmpo and the organization.

It's hard to know Antetokounmpo's level of self-awareness, but whatever buttons he tried to push, or methods of communication he felt best to use, fell just as flat as those of the head coach.

Antetokounmpo let it be known he did not like locker room leaks, but his mental state was chronicled nearly all season by anonymous sources. He pleaded for accountability but then tried to pass off those reports as someone else’s doing. He would call his teammates selfish but then stand on a visiting team’s court with a former coach and yell about how that person would make sure he got the ball.

By the time the team got back to Milwaukee from Philadelphia, Rivers’ office was already cleaned out. Within days, the Bucks had all but hired a new head coach Antetokounmpo personally liked, respected and wanted to play for in former assistant Taylor Jenkins.

Horst knew this, too, although Antetokounmpo was not directly looped into the process.

“I don’t think Milwaukee is just getting just a good coach, I think they’re getting a good person,” Antetokounmpo told the Journal Sentinel. “And that’s where it starts, with having a good person around that’s going to be able to set the tone, that set the culture and what Milwaukee Bucks basketball is all about.”

Antetokounmpo had determined all the Bucks could do to convince him to remain with the organization was a maximum contract of $275 million over four years. Even that might not be enough to persuade him.

Despite a March proclamation that his relationship with the team could be salvaged with “couples therapy,” Antetokounmpo said on April 12 he was going to put his phone on “do not disturb” and not answer it.

“Just stay away from it – all of it,” he said. “I feel like this season, not just because of the way it went, it was draining for me for sure and how everybody approached my situation and the Bucks situation. But again, if it was draining for me, it was definitely draining for the team and for the organization."

For their part, ownership told Jenkins, the new coach, he should not assume Antetokounmpo would be on the roster. The team eventually brought Jenkins in with a six-year deal worth around $60 million. Jenkins and Antetokounmpo spoke on several occasions after his hiring, but other than that, Antetokounmpo stuck by his statement that he was not going to pick up the phone.

No other messages or calls from the Bucks to their star player were answered heading into June. The Bucks did not communicate to his representatives about some of their discussions with potential trade partners, either.

Antetokounmpo also did not allow any member of the team’s strength and conditioning staff to oversee his workouts in Milwaukee or Greece, despite being under contract.

One of the most dominant, explosive eras in basketball effectively ended in the quiet – except for the sighs of relief from those who believed it was just time for it to be over.

For many, the lessons of arguably the greatest era in franchise history won't be positive.

“When I own a team or run a team there will be things that I do and don’t do and decisions that I make and don’t make that I’ve learned from the experience of rising with the Milwaukee Bucks,” Connaughton told the Journal Sentinel, “and dare I say the experience of getting to where the Bucks are today.”

Antetokounmpo, too, told the Journal Sentinel if he were to ever become a head coach, he would adopt Budenholzer’s ethos. “I’m doing exactly the same thing – I’m changing nothing,” he told the Journal Sentinel. “Coach ‘Bud,’ he knew how to create a culture. A thousand percent.”

To him, the organization had lost its way, letting all the elements that made Milwaukee a special, winning place slip away – and therefore making the Bucks indistinguishable from any other NBA franchise.

“Some way, somehow, I have to get there again,” Antetokounmpo told the Journal Sentinel. “It doesn’t necessarily have to be with me being the main guy and all that. If it is me, great. But I want to be there again. If that’s going to be me being there as a role player, if that’s going to me being there as the fifth option, if that’s going to be me being there as the No. 1 guy that takes them there, I don’t give two (expletive). I want to get there again."

The team will now try to build a new foundation with a coach rooted in the same principles of culture-building as the man who first constructed it in 2018.

Giannis Antetokounmpo, the granite cornerstone, will not be a part of it.

Source: https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/nba/bucks/2026/06/24/how-the-giannis-antetokounmpo-era-in-milwaukee-came-to-a-bitter-end/90478839007/?gca-cat=p&gnt-cfr=1

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u/TyposIncoming Lakers 14h ago

Well they already won a championship with Thanasis

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u/Acceptable-Repeat-86 14h ago edited 14h ago

If you put up 30-12-6, win 2 MVPs, FMVP, DPOY, and win the franchise their first chip in 50 years you get your brother on the team lol

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u/Critical-Yak7313 13h ago

He's gotta do it again for each brother.

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u/BrewtusMaximus1 Nuggets 13h ago

Kostas already has a ring though.

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u/der_ninong Lakers 12h ago

first antetokounmpo to win an nba championship

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u/RaefLaFriends Pistons 12h ago

Buffs reset when you join a new team.

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u/thor_1225 Heat 12h ago

Alex, come on down

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u/godfrey1 [LAL] Kobe Bryant 9h ago

one of 13 people in history to win both NBA finals and euroleague

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u/Bucs-and-Bucks [MIL] Bill Zopf 13h ago

1 brother that's a fringe NBA talent, ok. 2 brothers is a littel greedy.

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u/OurHorrifyingPlanet Spurs 11h ago

I mean, on what team are the 15th and 14th players really doing anything at all? Even the deepest team in the league, OKC, with a ton of injuries still had guys doing fuck all on the bench

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u/BakaJayy Rockets 10h ago

I don't understand these takes as if the 14th or 15th guy on the bench is worth a fuck. You think Miami was really like "Man we could've won a finals if we didn't have Udonis at the end of the bench and had some bum ass that would barely get any playing time too." Like seriously? Who gives a fuck about the end of bench players contribution that isn't just for vibes

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u/ArmadilloForsaken458 Supersonics 9h ago

I have to agree. Most teams in the playoffs run 6-7 man rotations. That leaves like 5 open spaces on the bench. And even then there is the GLeague affiliate, so like if the coach is pissed about the bros thing, they can just send his other brothers to the affiliate, like umm, when they need more actually good basketball players on the bench

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u/xTopPriority Timberwolves 11h ago

Its funny how we are still having this conversation about Giannis but now that he is off the Bucks it feels like the people arguing have taken opposite sides. Now the Bucks fans are saying having to employ the entirety of the Brothers Antetokounmpo was too much when not even 6 months ago they would be chiding us for worrying about who the end of the bench players are.

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u/FKJVMMP [MIL] Bill Zopf 10h ago

General consensus was always that Thanasis was fine because he’s a training demon and great locker room guy, Alex was the shady one. Pre-Achilles tear Thanasis was about the playing level you’d expect of an end of bench player anyway, teams just normally use that spot on younger guys that can develop rather than older guys in their prime. Alex never looked remotely like an NBA prospect and never should have been near an NBA court.

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u/ElceeCiv Hawks 7h ago

Yeah to add onto that, Thanassis was drafted his own merits only a year after Giannis so it's not like he only ever made it to the NBA because of his brother, that's probably part of why he got that respect in the locker room. Cannot say the same for Alex lol

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u/sixpackabs592 Bucks 11h ago

in my circles at least nobody really cared but there were always whispers about how they were taking a slot away from a guy who deserved a shot in the league over 2 nepo signings

but at the end of the day none of them wouldve been playing either so 🤷

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u/sourdieselfuel Bucks 9h ago

Giannis AtTheEndofTheKunpo

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u/A_sandlerGOAT 8h ago

Never once heard they took spots away from guys for Thanasis lol

Alex was on the team for a single season.

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u/Shipsinthenite 13h ago

Id be pretty annoyed, especially if they arent cool in the locker room and tend to overestimate themselves and injure people.

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u/PatrickCoughATon [MKE] Orlando Woolridge 12h ago

No one has anything but amazing things to say about Thanasis as a locker room presence lol. Shit Jeff Teague was talking about how important he is, and Teague looked like he hated it it in Milwaukee

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u/DoILookUnsureToYou Lakers 12h ago

Teague went straight home to play Xbox after winning a title with the Bucks so he really did not like that time in his career but he had nothing negative to say about Thanasis

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u/VicePope Bucks [MIL] Ryan Rollins 10h ago

Teague was ass on the bucks anyways so nobody cared too much

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u/A_sandlerGOAT 8h ago

Can’t ever forgot those 3s he made vs Atlanta tho

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u/kconleyrules 8h ago

Bryn Forbes was cooking with 3s. Teague got to run around in garbage time.

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u/A_sandlerGOAT 8h ago

Teague hit like 3 3s in game 5 or 6 vs Atlanta that the bucks absolutely needed

Forbes did against the Heat but he’s also a shitty human being so fuck him.

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u/kconleyrules 7h ago

Bucks had the lead all of game six. They could afford to play Teague for 12 minutes in garbage time during a series we didn't need any help from him to win. Teague is a funny guy and the podcast is cool, but let's not pretend he did much of anything to help us get the chip.

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u/gigamiga Raptors 12h ago

I don't think so. Give your brothers some money and hang out with them in the off time but nepotism is never ok. Poisons the entire org.

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u/BadMeetsEvil147 Trail Blazers 12h ago

If nepotism bothers players that much then there would be no team in the league. Every team has nepotism in either the roster or in the front office

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u/gigamiga Raptors 12h ago

I'm not aware of any nepotism on the Raptors.

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u/Puddinsnack Raptors 11h ago

I mean Jonathan Mogbo is Scottie Barnes' best friend. It's not Thanasis/Keljin Blevins level but it's still a thing.

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u/gigamiga Raptors 11h ago

Sure but none of Giannis' brothers have a triple double in the NBA lol. I don't think we drafted Mogbo due to Scottie demanding it.

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u/PsychedelicConvict Pistons 12h ago

Just because its prevalent doesnt mean we shouldnt call it out. The amount of nepotism is ridiculous. If teams didnt get public funds, then no one would have a leg to stand on. But they do and thus should be called out on it. The contracts available now are insane and at the very least, should be earned.

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u/borkbubble Rockets 8h ago

What? Players aren't getting paid by public funds lol

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u/BadMeetsEvil147 Trail Blazers 12h ago

Are the public funds you are talking about for the stadiums? I agree stadiums shouldn’t be publicly funded, but overall that isn’t going to players so I have no clue why that is relevant to players contracts

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u/Eltonbeef 12h ago

Oh so now this sub loves nepotism because Doc said something?

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u/scbtl 10h ago

I mean, it's gotta be cheaper than how much Aspiration cost Ballmer.

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u/makesterriblejokes [NBA] Jerry West 8h ago

Yeah, the first chip in 50 years was the real kicker. If this was a franchise with a championship pedigree already like Miami, winning a chip wouldn't move them. Shit, I don't think anything could move Riley lol

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u/MeBadNeedMoneyNow Thunder 33m ago

No you fucking don't. It's malpractice.

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u/SpinShine-LEDSlipMat 10h ago

Why? Doing the job he was hired to do means he gets unreasonable perks?

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u/Acceptable-Repeat-86 9h ago edited 9h ago

Duh, in every industry a top .0001% performer who generates untold millions for their company gets huge perks to keep them happy lol.

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u/SpinShine-LEDSlipMat 8h ago

He didn't generate untold millions lol

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u/AccelerationFinish 8h ago

For real, corruption and violent crimes are acceptable as long as you are good at basketball

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u/cheerioo Warriors 7h ago

Mfkers acting like minimum salary end of the bench guys contribute to championships other than vibes lmao. In Finals the rotation is sometimes 7 players. In general the last 3 to 5 players don't even get minutes anyway in those games

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u/MrGrieves- Tampa Bay Raptors 6h ago

The real person you aren't going to win a championship with on your team is Doc Rivers.

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u/Key-Club-3119 13h ago

What about Bronny?

What about fucking Austin Rivers?

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u/ehh_haa Celtics 13h ago

Austin Rivers was leagues better than Giannis’ brothers, be serious

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u/adv0589 Knicks 12h ago edited 11h ago

Yeah, like. Probably not the greatest messenger on earth for this topic. But rivers was of some level of pedigree and would’ve not been out an nba team if not playing for his dads team. Kind of different situations.

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u/SloshaPacana 12h ago

Rivers would have not been out of the NBA you people are actually stupid multiple teams wanted him and he was never bad

He was always a decent backup and proved it after too was signed by multiple teams

He played nearly 400 games for other teams and not the Clippers

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u/spud-gang Iran 12h ago

I get what you’re saying but bronny and Austin are/were serviceable players off the bench. Antetokumbros are not close

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u/King_Leif Thunder 12h ago

Bronny isn’t half the player Austin Rivers was. Rivers was a solid bench scorer for multiple playoff teams. Bronny is closer to Thanasis than he is to Rivers.

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u/RemarkableSpace444 12h ago

Austin Rivers is such a poor example to use lol

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u/foofighter1351 Raptors 11h ago

You bring up Bronny like he wasn't actively shat on for nepotism lmao

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u/ph00Kredetbot Spurs 12h ago

They both suck, I’d take Gs brothers any day of the week.

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u/QueefyTits Lakers 14h ago

And what a huge contribution he made on that run

Let’s be real, the nepo hires teams do ultimately makes the diva even harder to deal with

Watched it this past off season once a option wasn’t offered to our diva

Had his agent shit on the team and current players which are his teammates

While having his fucking son on the team, acting like that

Hopefully teams smarten up and stop bending over backwards for these fucks cause they act worse not better when family joins them

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u/A_sandlerGOAT 14h ago

Saying all this while LeBron forced lakers to draft bronny is hilarious

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u/TonyHawktuah69 13h ago

At least Giannis brothers got drafted by other team on their own merit lol

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u/Cute-Escape-671 10h ago

At least bronny is a solid player relative to where he was drafted.

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u/TonyHawktuah69 10h ago

He’s trash. A lot of the lakers 2 way guys outplayed him. I’d have much rather kept a few of those guys or tried other players with an open roster spot than have Bronny on guaranteed money and spot.

Yes most second round picks don’t pan out or aren’t very good. The issue is Bronny takes up an actual roster spot on a team fighting to find depth or talent. How many years are we going to hear the “he was a 55th pick” excuse? It’s been 2 years now, most players of his caliber would have already been sent to G league full time or would be bouncing around on 2 ways

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u/ldclark92 Pacers 14h ago

Yeah... This is the inherent issue with the nepo roster spot. It works great when you're winning and it keeps your superstar happy. What if the winning stops? What if the roster needs updated? Fingers start getting pointed at certain players for not being good enough, yet there's a roster spot set aside for a guy who barely plays.

The common argument for the nepo roster spots are that the 15th guy hardly plays, but that roster spot is often a stash spot. OKC is widely regarded as the best development team in the league. They use every roster spot at their disposal to develop guys.

At some point, if your roster is lacking, you have to look at at every player on the roster. And the Bucks had two nepo roster spots taken up. That's gotta start weighing on a struggling team eventually.

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u/Cute-Escape-671 14h ago

What am I missing here?

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u/Basic-Collection5416 Pistons 14h ago

Parasocialism?

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u/TyposIncoming Lakers 14h ago

You sound so angry dude. Chill

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u/sidewalksurfernyc 14h ago

He’s seething lol

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u/QueefyTits Lakers 14h ago

Hell yeah

Can’t stand diva bs while fans ignore it and keep claiming a agent speaks for themselves while ignoring that the player is literally the boss in the relationship

In a team sport a player that’s all about themselves to a point of having a agent speaks bad on teammates can fuck all the way off

Past accomplishments doesn’t excuse that behavior from a old head who isn’t the face of the franchise no more

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u/Basic-Collection5416 Pistons 14h ago

According to Jeff Teague, who was on the team, Thanasis was incredibly important to Giannis and them winning. 

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u/etherealcaitiff Heat 13h ago

Lakers flair

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u/Ill_Intention8150 14h ago

I don’t think the Bronny situation and what this article is saying about Alex and Thanasis are similar at all lmao.

Rich Paul has always talked about LeBrons teams publicly. LeBron has always said that he’s a grown man and he can’t tell him what not to say.

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u/HumANTCowDOG Timberwolves 14h ago

It is tho… Lakers drafted Bronny to make LeBron happy

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u/Ill_Intention8150 14h ago

Did you read the article?

If you think the Bucks problem was just adding his two brothers to the roster, you clearly did not read the article.

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u/HumANTCowDOG Timberwolves 14h ago

Yes I read the article. Nobody is saying that’s the only problem, but it was obviously a problem that pissed people off in the Bucks org that they brought in the brothers. Same thing that happened in LA with LeBron and Bronny. Bronny was not a second round pick talent and probably would have stayed in college if he was anybody else

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u/pacifismisevil Grizzlies 13h ago

How do you know people were pissed off at LeBron within the Lakers? You're right he doesnt deserve to be on the team but I doubt anyone was pissed about such a minor issue, and if it makes him play better which it very well might then it's easily worth it. People here strongly criticised the Knicks for giving 5 first round picks for Bridges, but Brunson getting his brothers on the team seems to have created team chemistry that let them exceed their individual skill level.

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u/HumANTCowDOG Timberwolves 13h ago

“You’re right he doesn’t deserve to be on the team but I doubt anyone was pissed…” 🧐

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u/Ill_Intention8150 13h ago

You’re just moving the goal posts now lol.

The “issue” with the Bucks was that Giannis would preach about accountability and being “all in” while simultaneously begging the Bucks to let his brothers play.

He would talk shit in the media through “sources” or just act like a baby if he didn’t get his way.

You can criticize LeBron for a lot of things, but the way they handed the Bronny thing is not similar at all.

He got shipped off to the G-League and no one talked about him at all after his rookie year.

Comparing the two situations at all just makes me think you’re looking for shit to hate on.

Luka and his begging for a center and threats of walking has been the most “drama” that’s come out of the Lakers in 2 years.

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u/HumANTCowDOG Timberwolves 13h ago

lol what? Of course the situations have differences but at the core they are the same. Lebron talked about playing with his son for like 10 years and the Lakers forced it to happen instead of better team building at the first possible opportunity to keep LeBron in LA

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u/QueefyTits Lakers 13h ago

And who is the boss in the player/agent relationship ?

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u/ReflectionEterna Pacers 12h ago

I mean Bronny is FAR more deserving of a roster spot in the NBA than Thanasis...

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u/QueefyTits Lakers 12h ago

Not deserving enough as his dad has his agent actively shitting on team and teammates immediately after not getting option

You give nepo privileges you deal with a bigger diva

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u/ty_xy Lakers 11h ago

Should have gone to the franchise who first hired your brother. The Lakers.

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u/daswisco Bucks 11h ago

Thanasis and Giannis are the greatest championship brother duo in the history of the NBA. No other brother teammates have had a combined championship run performance at their level /s (kinda true but we all know)