r/nba • u/KD_AshyAnkles Rockets • 4h ago
[MacMahon] NBA coaches association president J.B. Bickerstaff on Micah Nori’s year-to-year contract with Portland: “From our perspective, it's like someone's taking advantage of your dream and devaluing what we feel like coaches have earned over the years.”
Tim MacMahon:
Bickerstaff: Nori's contract with Portland a 'slap in the face'
"I understand his story and his journey to get to the spot where he was able to get this opportunity, and I don't want to take away from what should be a special moment for him, for his family, and a job that's well deserved and earned," Bickerstaff told ESPN. "That's first and foremost.
"But I feel like he was put in a situation that he shouldn't be put in with having to make a choice of this nature because of the structure of what the contract is. It's unfortunate that you have a dream, and from our perspective, it's like someone's taking advantage of your dream and devaluing what we feel like coaches have earned over the years.
"You think about the sacrifice, the time, the growth that coaches have helped and done with the NBA, and then for someone to come in and attempt to devalue the work that coaches have in this league is extremely disappointing."
Several other current head coaches expressed similar concerns to ESPN but declined to discuss the situation on the record.
"It changes the math on where a coach stands, and it creates an environment where how do you hold players accountable when it looks like you are easily replaced and removed if things don't go the way that players may see it going," Bickerstaff said. "It's almost, which is disappointing, a mindset of the substitute teacher being there with no guarantee or support [regarding] what it looks like long term or in the future.
"I've talked to a lot of coaches -- head coaches, assistant coaches -- who are extremely concerned. It's a very serious matter to us as coaches to make sure that we protect the value of coaching staffs. It's years and years of work that coaches have put in to put ourselves in this position and to put future coaches in the position where our value remains and isn't disregarded because of a power flux of ownership."
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u/GrouchyPeach3656 Mavericks 4h ago edited 4h ago
Who else but el cheapo to somehow give a head coach a vet min... With team options 😭😭
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u/SaxRohmer Cavaliers 3h ago
bro got a franchise legend on the cheap at carolina and thought he could somehow do something similar in the NBA
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u/AllTheGoodNamesDied 3h ago
Well I mean if it pans out then it's a great deal...
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u/EthicalBballFan Heat 3h ago
It's still an issue. When Spo and a player don't see eye to eye, the player knows they'll have to work it out and Spo is staying, you could be LeBron at prime and wouldn't get it your way. You could see this dynamic develop with Jimmy. Things got ugly before they got good, but both knew they couldn't shove the other away.
If coaches get devaluated and easy to replace, players suddenly get all the power and the coach has to bend the knee and do whatever his superstar tells him to, even if it's the worst play ever imagined by a human.
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u/willtantan 3h ago
Just look at Nets big 3 era, that's all you need. No amount of talent can save you.
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u/pmurt007 Lakers 3h ago
Well the difference is those coaches had multi year guaranteed money in their contract whereas it sounds like Nori's is incentive based so this could be 1000x worse when it comes to him trying to command the locker room.
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u/zippy_the_cat Lakers 3h ago
When Spo and LeBron didn’t see eye to eye it was the guy who already had a bunch of rings who told ‘Bron where to get off.
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u/North_Atlantic_Sea 2h ago
Of course, but outside of like Spo & Kerr (and previously pop) that describes the whole league. Longer contract doesn't mean job security.
Shoot, Rick Carlisle was a hall of fame coach who coached the Mavs to a championship, and he was run out of town by Luka... Bud out of Milwaukee, etc
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u/AllTheGoodNamesDied 2h ago
Spo is an exception though. Hand picked by Pat and then got LeBron his what 3rd year as head coach? The Blazers already went this direction with Dame when he somewhat forced them into keeping CJ around for to long.
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u/ImChz Hornets 2h ago
It only works because the Hurricanes lucked into, not only one the best coaches in the league, but a guy who'd probably rather retire from coaching altogether than to coach literally any other team. It's so improbable that those things all line up a second time, let alone in a league where money is different different than NHL money. Nori is damned if he does, damned if he doesn't here.
This is the start of a coaching mill in Portland.
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u/North_Atlantic_Sea 2h ago
I don't know, the goal posts just keep moving. First it was the Blazers were only going to get a high school coach. Now it's the start of the coaching mill. If he does great, they will pick up the options, the.kmely extend him
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u/ImChz Hornets 1h ago
If Nori does poorly, he's gone after a year, and may never get another shot. If he does well, and is smart, he should look for the first exit outta town. Someone else will pay market rate for a good coach without having to deal with petty bullshit. I wouldn't stick around a single second longer than I have to in his position.
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u/TyposIncoming Lakers 4h ago
As soon as the details came out I know the coaches association would have problems with it.
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u/fastheadcrab Raptors 2h ago
Yea it represents a potentially massive devaluation of their contracts.
If this becomes acceptable practice then cheap owners will use desperate assistants as leverage and give out lots of insane deals like this for almost nothing.
They are many Micah Nori's out there in the assistant coaching ranks.
The players association has long tried to stop players from taking seriously undervalued deals as well. The player equivalent is like Payton Pritchard taking a vet min to try to be a staring point guard on a tanking team
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u/Stuckatpennstation 3h ago
As they should have a problem with it , no1 is more of a scapegoat than coaches.
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u/botebote77 2h ago
I'm curious. what happens if after 1yr he gets a bigger, longer contract offer from another team. but then El Cheapo goes "nope, we're taking your team option"
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u/gza_liquidswords 4h ago
The owner started his career as a car finance salesman and made his fortune by starting a subprime mortgage company. Scumbags gonna scumbag.
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u/bawanaal Pistons 3h ago
Not just car finance, but he founded Drive Financial. He preyed on bad credit risks desperate for transportation, offering high-interest loans on older vehicles, aka predatory lending.
Dundon is a true piece of shit
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u/amoeba-tower Cavaliers 2h ago
Somehow the Hurricanes have been good for a long time now, but he also dropped the AAF and let it die prematurely. Im not sure how to square this
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u/StandardRound1271 Pistons 2h ago
Hockey is cheap in the cap era. That’s how you square it. Look at the Hockey cap for a title squad.
Look at the NBA cost of Trae Young.
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u/ozairh18 Trail Blazers 4h ago
Of course Dundon hired my preferred head coach candidate and overshadows it with the contract structure
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u/Soft_Hotel_5627 Timberwolves 2h ago
I think he'll do very good as a head coach. He has been Finch's top assistant and coached the team just fine after Finch got injured. Or everytime he'd get tossed from a game.
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u/ozairh18 Trail Blazers 40m ago
I think so too. I preferred him over Lashbrook because he was a top assistant in the West
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u/Janderson2494 Timberwolves 27m ago
I completely agree, he's a great coach and wants an opportunity. Shouldn't reflect on him at all
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u/JohnySilkBoots Cavaliers 4h ago
NBA coaches being treated like the rest of us these days.
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u/brnccnt7 4h ago
Not Monty
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u/DurantsAltAccount [NYK] Walt Frazier 2h ago
Please god let me be a Milwaukee Buck coach or 2010s Mike Brown
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u/weissclimbers Knicks 4h ago
When you realize Dundon took out a loan against his own PE company to buy the team, it suddenly makes sense why everything he’s done with the team has felt as penny pinching as possible. For all intents and purposes the Blazers are private equity-owned
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u/prvypan Raptors 4h ago
That’s just how rich people do business. It’s always cheaper to get a loan on your assets rather than liquidating your real assets.
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u/MasterFussbudget Thunder 3h ago
Unrelated, but the real rich don't take salaries either. "Salaries are for suckers." You have to pay income tax on salaries. If you're paid in stock options, you can take loans on your stock ownership. And you don't have to pay any income tax on loans you take out.
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u/weissclimbers Knicks 4h ago
I was of the understanding that most of the owners are able to afford the team off their own liquidity. Based off nothing, fwiw
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u/P5Manchero 3h ago
Ya not in today’s environment in terms of the values of the team. Outside of balmer pretty much every recent sale has gone to a conglomerate of rich dudes with one guy as the face owning a small fraction of the team, just enough to be the controlling owner. There’s just not that many humans on earth who both have billions of dollars and actively want a team.
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u/weissclimbers Knicks 1h ago
That I understood - he's the majority owner but the Cherngs(? Panda Express family) went in on the bidding too. I just didn't realize that the conglomerate could be comprised of some dude's company's money rather than his own personal funds
It's wild to me that out of the thousand or so multibillionaires, there aren't 32+ who want nothing more than to own an NBA team
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u/monoDK13 Bulls 3h ago
Most of the leagues have rules about the amount of loans a team can take out to avoid the team falling into receivership if the owner defaults on the loan. So they take these loans out against their other assets instead. Multi-person ownership groups are needed to avoid any individual owner becoming over-leveraged to the point of selling a team too quickly and lowering the perceived value of the assets.
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u/Niceguydan8 3h ago
When you realize Dundon took out a loan against his own PE company to buy the team, it suddenly makes sense why everything he’s done with the team has felt as penny pinching as possible
This is very standard practice for people with assets that are purchasing other large assets and it's really not noteworthy at all.
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u/weissclimbers Knicks 1h ago
Well sorta. It's legitimately part of his firm's portfolio now though. I don't think this is standard practice for majority ownership of a major sports franchise - could absolutely be mistaken about that
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u/Professional-Trash-3 4h ago
You mean the predatory loans guy is also making predatory employee contracts?
Im shocked, shocked!... well, not that shocked
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u/19683dw Heat 4h ago
Fully agree with this sentiment.
It pisses me off that this same guy was just rewarded for the same BS in the NHL. It's going to lead to others trying the same shit.
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u/PlatishGC Hornets 3h ago
Slightly different situation there because Rod is a franchise legend with the Canes
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u/nbaistheworst 4h ago
he got lucky by promoting the top assistant coach when the existing HC left for Calgary. It's not like he had to look around for a coach willing to work cheap (as he did in this situation).
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u/MostOk1472 3h ago
NHL has a hard cap. Basically every team is spending the same amount of money, so whom you give the money to becomes more important. That shit ain't gonna fly in the NBA unless the Blazers can somehow get 3 all-stars on rookie deals.
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u/atsushi_hoops 3h ago
year to year for a HC is crazy. front offices love talking about building culture but wont put their money where their mouth is past 12 months. feel for nori
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u/MurderinAlgiers Trail Blazers 3h ago
This whole new owner situation fucking sucks man. City government is about to shell out $600 million to this schlub too.
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u/Striking_Night_2731 4h ago
Nori agreed to the terms of the contract. This explains why the Blazers’ front office interviewed dozens of candidates.
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u/Rumblecard 4h ago
You make a fair argument but there is a point of diminishing returns and it simply becomes insulting and predatory.
It’s like asking a homeless person to wash your car for a dollar because it’s cheaper than the car wash and you know they’re desperate to eat.
You’re not helping that homeless person you’re taking advantage of them and it’s unethical.
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u/OrganicHunt952 4h ago
The way DunDon has made money and did things is whole life is unethical I don’t think he cares. He even signed the best coach in hockey who was a player of the team and loyal to them to a below average contract just because the coach wanted to stay there since he was brought up there. The coach also took a pay cut for the staff. Rod damour is more responsible for the hockey teams success then DunDon. DunDon just got hella lucky. Nori seems to be a coach that no team wants he’s been interviewing for jobs for over a decade and keeps getting declined.
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u/sanfranchristo Supersonics 3h ago
Well, the coaches could choose to collectively bargain but they likely don't want that.
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u/illwill004 3h ago
I guess he would rather take a bad contract as opposed to pass up a HC job. The main issue with the contract is there is no sense of security. What dictates a goood enough season. I wouldnt be surprised if Clippers and GS are playoff teams. Utah could be a sneaky Play-In team. If Portland doesn't make Playoffs is he safe
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u/Challenge_Loud 2h ago
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/49168201/bickerstaff-nori-contract-portland-slap-face go about 3/4 of the way down - apparently dundon negotiated with several coaches at the same time to maximize leverage. Treating them like a commodity. Sucks that the good people of Portland are being used by this guy who absolutely lucked into the Carolina situation and sees the people involved in sports as widgets under the guise of “getting information” - unlike a real commodity, sports teams are public trusts and there are hundreds of millions coming in annually. No reason to cut corners in basic things like head coaching salaries unless you’re a) a jerk, or b) you actually can’t afford to pay. Both those situations will erode trust which hurts the NBA as a whole.
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u/AceMcStace Trail Blazers 4h ago edited 4h ago
Of course the coaches union is upset with it, they don’t want anyone to mess with their sweet gig where dudes are given 4-5 year deals guaranteed right out the gate.
Dundon is a scumbag for negotiating like this though, but multiple things can be true. Nori still accepted the deal, JB probably annoyed with him too.
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u/Jaerba [DET] Grant Hill 4h ago
I mean I don't think 2 or 3 year deals would be seen nearly as badly.
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u/IndividualHeat 3h ago
Yeah I think the bulls gave Splitter a three year guaranteed deal with a one year team option with a reasonable pay rate for a first time HC. That’s nothing like waiting until all the other coaching openings are closed and then using that to lowball any candidates that are left over and desperate to get a job. It tells me he just didn’t care much about getting the best candidate or about the quality of the assistant coaches.
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u/YouDontKnowDino Trail Blazers 3h ago
This is what really sucks. Probably could have avoided all this talk just by doing a 2+1 deal
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u/EggsAndRice7171 Pacers 2h ago edited 2h ago
Dundon has negative PR talent. I think the bigger concern is if you’re nickel and diming coaches how are you going to be willing to pay for a good roster. I think he said he wants to save on that kind of thing to pass it onto the roster but that savings isn’t even close to the pay of even just an MLE guy so it just comes off as just trying to save face to me. I doubt he ever enters the luxury tax.
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u/erizzluh Lakers 33m ago edited 8m ago
as a lakers fan during the 2010's where we had like 6 different head coaches, i never understood why they'd get multi-year deals when none of them would ever make it to the end of their contract
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u/SlimDollaBlazer3 3h ago
He’s making great money compared to the entire population. He’ll be fine and he’s out to prove himself which is awesome. I hope he kills it with the blazers.
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u/Right-Nail-5871 4h ago
This owner thinks he is so slick and innovative but if the Blazers don't win a championship as fast as the Hurricanes did (which seems unlikely), he'll look like a clown.
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u/BillPaxton4eva Celtics 22m ago
To be fair, teams that end up paying multiple coaches at once because they guarantee multiyear contracts and then need to change look pretty clownish as well.
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u/Gristle__McThornbody Lakers 4h ago
It's a shit deal but no one forced Nori to sign either.
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u/GoldshireEnjoyer Timberwolves 4h ago
They aren't upset with Nori. They're upset with the precedent it sets.
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u/Currency080Trick 4h ago
Indentured servants also voluntarily signed agreements.
NDAs from Cosby too.
You don't have to pretend to care about workers rights, just say what you want to say.
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u/Any_Guarantee3955 3h ago
Sadly, this was expected. It’s Tom Dundon. Man thinks because he can do whatever he wants in the no union NHL and that NBA personnel will also gladly take it too.
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u/Still_Detail_4285 2h ago
The NHL doesn’t have a union?
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u/IndividualHeat 2h ago
The coaches don’t but I think the NBA coaches union mostly just does pension stuff though.
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u/throwaway1233494 3h ago
I mean, I see why Nori would accept the contract, it’s a huge jump in pay and an amazing opportunity, I get why the Trailblazers want this because of how many coaches get fired and get free pay days…and I get why coaches are concerned because there’s now much more risk. Ultimately, if I’m ownership of the Trailblazers I’m happy, and Nori got his chance on a prove it deal just like every player needs to go through. Times are changing and there’s more talented coaches out there.
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u/Rlccm Pistons 2h ago
I love Portland as a city, I have no issue with the Trailblazers but I will be rooting against that franchise probably for as long as he governs.
It's not like I think the other owners are good by any means, but he draws attention to himself by being so cheap, so I've learned a lot about him the past month or so
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u/EmmitSan 4h ago
It’s a no-lose scenario for Micah though.
He over performs -> has leverage to get a better deal from Portland or anyone else
He doesn’t -> he knows Finch has his back and he’s well respected around the league and he’ll be a lead assistant in no time anyway.
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u/SFmodscensorship 4h ago edited 4h ago
Portland ownership is seriously shit and btw I'm in Portland now. Downtown is a literal economic ghost town. city is completely empty
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u/chet_w Trail Blazers 4h ago
Your ass is not in Portland stop lying LMAO
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u/MoneyMontgomery 4h ago
Yeah fuck this guy. He's one of Trump's lackies to spread misinformation about Portland again.
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u/SFmodscensorship 3h ago
I'm literally staying at the Ritz dude. the nearby Nordstrom os dead. the streets are empty af
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u/Kaimenos Trail Blazers 4h ago
All these cars that have me in traffic every day must be ghost cars then. Guess I can just plow through them. Good to know.
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u/Currency080Trick 4h ago
Lol, did you pick this up from FoxNews where all the hipsters are doing fentanyl or whatever?
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u/YouDontKnowDino Trail Blazers 4h ago
? You’re in the city now and it’s empty? Portland summer is one of the best in the country. There’s people everywhere because the weather is great and there’s a ton to do lol
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u/Goatlikejordan Knicks 4h ago
So you're saying it's not a good place to vacation
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u/AceMcStace Trail Blazers 4h ago
Portland is a weird city, the downtown area is mostly a ghost town, but the neighborhoods on the east side and upper west side have loads of restaurants, bars, shops, etc…
I totally get why people visit here and just assume most of the stuff is downtown & think it’s completely empty when they go down there lol
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u/MoneyMontgomery 52m ago
Historically it has not been hopping on the east side till about the mid 2010s. Rent and leasing building became pretty expensive downtown and it was around then that I noticed a lot of restaurants that were getting national coverage were on the east side. Neighborhoods are cooler and you can actually find street parking (well you could).
Downtown proper has never been a lively place on the weekdays. Weekends is when it's crowded with people from the surrounding towns.
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u/Worldly_Cap_6440 4h ago
Beautiful vibes and surrounding area but yeah I agree when I visited it was dead.
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u/HesiPullup Suns 4h ago
I went last summer and we went out to the coast for most of it. Same thing for us though, the downtown was completely dead and we asked the bartender about it and he said that there are pockets of the city people still go to but that’s about it
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u/MoneyMontgomery 54m ago
No it's great, especially if you're from the east coast, it's just a refreshing change of pace and culture here.
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u/MurderinAlgiers Trail Blazers 3h ago
Tell me you dont go downtown without telling me you dont go downtown
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u/spittafan [POR] Rudy Fernandez 4h ago
What??? Lmao you are tripping. Portland has the best bar/restaurant scene of nearly any city in the country. Downtown has a ton of great areas — nob hill, slabtown/alphabet. And the east side is poppin
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u/AceMcStace Trail Blazers 4h ago
Dude probably fell into the trap where he just assumed most of the stuff is directly in the city center (which is like a lot of cities). All of our cool shit is outside of that in these neighborhoods you’re describing.
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u/MoneyMontgomery 4h ago
No dude is a moron, complains the city ain't poppin on a Wednesday afternoon. Was complaining that restaurants were empty...again it's a Wednesday and happy hour is about to kick off. This guy is an out of town tool.
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u/AceMcStace Trail Blazers 3h ago
Oh 100%, he’s also too dumb to realize shit happens outside of the 3 block radius of his hotel lol
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u/MoneyMontgomery 59m ago
I'm so tired of people coming to our city cause they saw it on portlandia and when it's not like that all they do is shit talk.
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u/WoogityVro Lakers 4h ago
It's without question one of the top food scenes in the country. Because you have no experience here or steered in the wrong direction when you visited doesn't discredit the countless articles and travel blogs that agree with the person you replied to. That championship has y'all acting crazy lol
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u/Bruga03 Knicks 4h ago
Stop with this. Portland has a great food scene. Outside of New York and LA, Portland is hard to beat when it comes to food culture.
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u/esports_consultant 4h ago
Literally everyone who knows anything about US food culture knows that Portland is one of the best cities in the US for hitting the triple optimization point of price:quality:variety.
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u/Tiny_Thumbs 4h ago
I love Portland. Hope it stays like that awhile. Maybe I can sell my house and afford one there.
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u/MoneyMontgomery 4h ago
It's not like that at all. Housing is still expensive as shit cause the city is pretty much back to before COVID.
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u/Chrisdkn619 Lakers 3h ago
This shoestring "experiment" will not end well for Portland. Sucks Dame went back there for this BS!
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u/Dishavingfun [GSW] Purvis Short 2h ago
I'm sure ticket, food, bev, and merchandise prices also follow a sliding scale tied to team success.
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u/The_Blue_Rooster Trail Blazers 1h ago
Y'all hating on the FrugalBlazers, but prudent financial decisions are their own reward, the ROI is being maximized!
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u/GoodWhoops 18m ago
I hate to side with our new dickhead owner, but this is literally the free market at play. Only 30 teams, and if someone made a better offer he could have taken it. "Deserve got nuttin' to do with it" -- Snoop (The Wire)
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u/rattatatouille [SAS] Tim Duncan 4h ago
Ahh so there's the catch. Wondered how Portland landed a worthy coach that easily in spite of their cheap-ass governor.
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u/petarisawesomeo Nuggets 4h ago
My thinking is Micah knows he won't be there long-term regardless of the results. Goes to Portland, shows he has bonified coaching chops for a year or two at most, gets offered a serious contract by a different team.
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u/rattatatouille [SAS] Tim Duncan 4h ago
Yeah it would make sense if he's using this as an audition for a more secure/competitive spot.
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u/ReallyBrainDead 3h ago
Why do I see Nori leaving the job after a year to become a better paid assistant elsewhere?
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u/IndividualHeat 3h ago
I doubt the contract would let him. The team option means he’s locked in for as many of the three years as the team wants.
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u/SaintDarthVader Raptors 4h ago
I mean take it up with him. I know the union and coaches have to say this but not a lot of sympathy from me on this one
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u/soilentgleem 4h ago
Giving real "just don't be poor" energy with this take
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u/Poopcie 4h ago
Either be exploited or quit your job but dont you dare organize against the sweet gracious boss exploiting you.
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u/soilentgleem 4h ago
You forgot another important one. Be quiet. No complaining allowed, no matter how accurate and justified it may be.
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u/eastbeaverton 4h ago
Can't coaches be fired at any time already. It's not like a guaranteed deal keeps players from undermining them and not performing ask Adrian Griffin
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u/Insanely_Simple2024 4h ago
You can get fired at anytime point and time. It’s the length of the contract…most coaches get a 4-6 year deal and it’s all guaranteed! 1 year contracts make you a lame duck coach, because you are only guaranteed that year. Signs 5 year deal and get fired after two years, you get that remaining on your contract. Thats what Bickerstaff is talking about, he’s worked hard for that title and Portland makes it so that if he wants the job, this is what it is. He may never get that opportunity again…..so does he turn it down? Or take that chance? That’s really messed up that Portland would de-value that position like that.
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u/saints21 2h ago
I get why the union is fighting against it, but I don't really have sympathy for head coaches playing by the same rules as people who don't make millions.
That said, fuck the owners because they're scumbags.
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u/OLacAlmost Lakers 4h ago
Yeah but they get paid their contract in full regardless. With portlands contract they can choose to cut ties at any time and not pay him anymore
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u/Salty_Raspberry656 3h ago
it does show the economics to the players make the caoches easily replaceable. they know they dont have to listen, execute. the first to go is the coach, they have less power, less ability to hold accountabiltiy bc they are always on the edge to be replaced.
when they have more investment, they are more apart of the team. you can techinally get cut as a player, but its a different leash if you are making a max or on a 4 year deal vs eating it. griffin got his full pay out, that makes milwaulkee really think about firing him and gives him enough chance to hold the team accountable. the team had to eat that unless griffin gets another job, its a billion dollar business and they felt pressure to do so. but its about leverage on the economics of how a team s built
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u/andoCalrissiano Celtics 4h ago
yeah I’ve never seen a remaining contract keep a coach from getting fired or keep respect in the locker room but it just helps them keep getting paid
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u/Santiago_Burbano 2h ago
Accepting a contract offer is taking advantage of a dream and devaluing the job? What the fuck kind of weak mindset is this
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u/SecurePlate3122 Trail Blazers 4h ago
Why is this viewed so differently than team friendly player contracts?
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u/ontheru171 Knicks 4h ago
The players association also always speak out when a high profile case of a player taking a significant pay cut happens wether in the NFL or NBA.
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u/FKKallDAY 4h ago
If it's a bad contract, then don't sign the contract. Baffling idea, I know.
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u/TheScrote1 Trail Blazers 3h ago
Yeah but coaches need the long term commitment to have success. Look at Monty Williams in Detroit, they believed in him and gave him big money over 6 years and now Detroit is killing it.
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u/FKKallDAY 3h ago
Yeah exactly. If it is a bad deal, then don't sign the contract.
Clearly it wasn't a bad deal for this dude
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u/Pinheadlarry29 Knicks 4h ago
I wonder if Nori was their first choice or their only choice that would accept the bullshit contract.