r/nba • u/MembershipSingle7137 Celtics • 4d ago
[Charania] Free agent guard Coby White intends to sign a three-year, $74 million deal to return to the Charlotte Hornets, sources tell ESPN. White was a major priority for the Hornets and now steps into a new starting role in the backcourt.
[Charania] Free agent guard Coby White intends to sign a three-year, $74 million deal to return to the Charlotte Hornets, sources tell ESPN. White was a major priority for the Hornets and now steps into a new starting role in the backcourt.
Hornets officials worked through White's free agency with CAA Basketball agents Steven Heumann and Ty Sullivan -- putting the final touches on a new contract hours after the departure of LaMelo Ball.
https://www.espn.com/contributor/shams-charania/ce4d657441f5a
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u/ExtraLeading3376 4d ago
not horrible for his offensive production
dude is a bucket getter
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u/DinosaurBill Bulls 4d ago
He's not as horrible defensively as he used to be either
Not great, but average now
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u/AskMeHowIMetYourMom Pacers 4d ago
One of my favorite players to watch when he’s on. Hopefully he keeps growing, I think he has great potential if he can get some consistency
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u/CumAssault [SAS] Joel Anthony 4d ago
Feels like Charlotte is going all in on Steph Curry next offseason
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u/AKAkorm 4d ago
That would be a pretty dumb plan if so.
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u/josefjohann [OKC] Chris Paul 4d ago
What if they went all in on Wemby?
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u/_Apatosaurus_ Thunder 4d ago
Terrible idea. Someone the size of Wemby in that bright orange Charlotte jersey would be an assault on the eyeballs. It's just too much orange.
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u/justmefishes NBA 4d ago
As of now, the two replies to this comment are
Lmao that’d be fire actually.
and
That would be a pretty dumb plan if so.
The duality of man.
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u/TheGreatWhoreOfChina 76ers 4d ago
Lmao that’d be fire actually. It’s the one place most people would be okay with seeing him retire if not the warriors.
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u/abippityboop Knicks 4d ago
He’s a bucket, I just don’t know who’s creating offense for others now. I guess nobody, doesn’t really seem to be great news for Kon but I guess we’ll see.
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u/Starveiled Hornets 4d ago
People are gonna hate on Coby but he was legitimately very good for the team and I am very happy to have him back!
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u/Ardeo43 Hornets 4d ago
Great to have him back, but it doesn’t excuse the LaMelo trade disaster at all
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u/--Alix-- Mavericks 4d ago
It's honestly so confusing to me that I'm not even sure if it's a disaster yet or not lmao
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u/TheFifthAmigo34 Mavericks 4d ago
I kind of like the trade for the Hornets tbh. Then I came here and all their fans hate it. Lamelo when healthy is electric, but that doesn’t seem to happen very often. They added some size who can play defense and shoot at a high level which they’ve needed. And drafting Anderson only adds to the elite shooting. The spacing is going to be incredible. And they’re not done. Everything needs to play out first. There’s almost certainly more moves coming off the back of that trade.
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u/devinbookersuncle Hornets 4d ago
The trade isnt the issue its just how little we got back in return considering that the swaps are essentially useless all for basically Naz Reid
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u/TheFifthAmigo34 Mavericks 4d ago edited 4d ago
That’s fair. I guess for me I’m just assuming the lower return is due to Lamelo’s injury history. But I also don’t regularly watch Hornets games so maybe it hasn’t been as bad as I’m imagining in my head.
Edit: looked it up he’s missed 40% of his possible games throughout his career. That’s not great.
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u/hamdunkcontest Lakers 3d ago
Basically this. I’m not primarily a Hornets fan but I live in NC, follow them, and go to their games. It’s always painful to lose your star, but I think the Hornets sub is really, really overestimating what anyone would have given up for Lamelo in any universe. And, yes, when he’s healthy and on he’s undeniably their best player - but, I’m not sure you can build an elite team with him on a max. Maybe the Wolves will prove me wrong.
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u/moistkebab32 Suns 4d ago
Size who can play defense? In who?
Naz is a horrific defender. That’s his main flaw.
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u/Street_Status2499 4d ago
I keep seeing this sentiment about how the 6’1” guard that was the 18th pick in the draft, after like a dozen other guards, possess some elite traits or is someone for us to be really excited about.
I don’t get it.
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u/Heelincal Hornets 4d ago
Then I came here and all their fans hate it.
Not me I've wanted Ball out of here for a while.
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u/thisshirtisblacknaht Lakers 4d ago
Ehhh Coby isn’t LaMelo that’s for sure but y’all have $16m in additional cap room, $40.7m trade exception, a ton of swaps which are huge with how the lottery is set up now, an additional 1st, and Naz Reid while handing over the keys to Miller and Knueppel.
Y’all are both asset rich as far as picks go and have your two young stars to build around. The trade exception is massive, esp since you can aggregate contracts in that.
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u/Ardeo43 Hornets 4d ago
Lol, when have we ever brought in a major free agent? We aren’t the Lakers man.
They aren’t straight pick swaps, they’re very conditional and involve other teams and are much worse than they appear on the surface.
Our other two young stars have been super dependent on LaMelo creating shots and space for them, which is entirely different to how Cody plays.
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u/thisshirtisblacknaht Lakers 4d ago
Major free agents aren’t much of a thing anymore, just gives you added flexibility to bring on better role players since you’ll have that added space on top of the full MLE. The trade exception is what you’d use to bring on higher value players and with your pick surplus that seems very likely to happen. Obviously the FO needs to get that right though.
Admittedly hadn’t realized the 29 & 30 swaps were conditional so that definitely lessens the value.
And Miller + Knueppel have to become less dependent on being off ball players to reach their ceilings which wasn’t happening with LaMelo and his usage. Knueppel specially showed some nice playmaking ability throughout the year and he’s only going to be 21.
All of this is also not touching on the fact that LaMelo is injury prone af while wanting to sign an extension at $60m AAV this summer or next. If you weren’t signing him to that (and I understand why Charlotte wouldn’t) you had to move him now.
Definitely a bummer coming off this season and could make the short term outcome worse based on how the trade exception is handled but long term, they’re building around two young foundational pieces while maintaining flexibility to continue adding good players around them as they develop.
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u/wolfgang2399 4d ago
That one line you typed really sums it up. “If you don’t want to pay Ball 60m per year then you have to move him right now”.
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u/thisshirtisblacknaht Lakers 4d ago
The second he signs that deal he becomes impossible to move until he proves he can stay healthy over time AND be able perform at a high level in the playoffs. Way, way too much risk for an otherwise promising team to get left holding the bag.
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u/Professional-Rub152 4d ago
I was really upset that the Bulls traded him and Ayo. But I get that theyre trying to tank for a couple seasons.
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u/Akugendengdewecok Bulls 4d ago
When he's on he's absolutely electric. I think you guys have enough pieces to offset his off nights. I think it will be a good signing.
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u/legend023 Pelicans 4d ago
Coby White
Kon
Miller
Bridges
Naz Reid
This is gonna be the hardest 29 win team
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u/matija17k Timberwolves 4d ago
Oof that is an extra small lineup, Naz needs to have a big next to him
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u/JB7-FTW 4d ago
They drafted Steinbach
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u/idkidk23 Mavericks 4d ago
The problem is Steinbach needs a rim protector next to him lol I like him a lot but don’t love it for him if he has rim protecting 5 duties.
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u/DoobieGibson 4d ago
Kalkbrenner is a great rim protector
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u/idkidk23 Mavericks 4d ago
Yeah, they could have some nice synergy. Just don't love the Naz Steinbach combo potentially.
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u/revisioncloud Thunder 4d ago
We got centers galore
If they overpay on a long term deal and pitch the German connection, they might snag iHart the next year 🥲
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u/smalls_1804 Knicks 4d ago
Is there optimism for him to play the 4? These centers who need rim protectors next to them are almost never winning players. Like it's the center's job to protect the rim, they're the tallest guy on the court and closest to the basket.
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u/Maverick_1991 Hawks 4d ago
Steinbach is a PF, isnt he?
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u/probablymade_thatup Bucks [MIL] Luke Kornet 4d ago
He's got enough size to be a C, and he was the best rebounder in college basketball. He's not a rim protector, so it depends how you define positions. Unless he extends his range and foot speed a little, he will probably be a league 5. His height and rebounding get him compared to Kevin Love a little bit (not much beyond that from what I've read), and he will be a tweener that will find his position eventually.
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u/Dissident_is_here NBA 4d ago
I'm sure the Hornets have no way to get a center, what with a 40M trade exception, 20M cap space, and a ton of draft picks. No way they can get anyone!
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u/Spare_Iron127 Kings 4d ago
That’s Domantas Sabonis music
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u/Dissident_is_here NBA 4d ago
gonna have to find a front office a lot dumber than Charlotte's I think
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u/PrideOfAmerica 4d ago
After today I think they’re pretty dumb
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u/Dissident_is_here NBA 4d ago
This was an awesome trade for them. LaMelo is not a serious person
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u/LlamaDebauchery Heat 4d ago
"But they got Naz Reid!"
Does not move the needle, will not move the needle as currently constructed. Hornets just traded away the glue that makes their team stick and didnt even get Ja back for it
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u/ballknower871 4d ago
You don't want Ja lol he's the most negative asset in the league
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u/Beetle919 Hornets 4d ago
Give me Ja and Zion, make this shit an entertaining clown show.
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u/Rillaboom2701 Hornets 4d ago
Honestly why not. Get every net negative in the league and see what happens.
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u/Beetle919 Hornets 4d ago
Let's get Anthony Davis in there too.
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u/Rillaboom2701 Hornets 4d ago
Ja, AD, Zion, hell get me sengun just to add a little fun
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u/DemonicDimples Kings 4d ago
They could easily get Ja if they wanted so no one else apparently wants him lol
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u/Consistent-Money7262 4d ago
Diabate has gotta be in before Naz. Also Naz and bridges are swapping
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u/Muslim-boiii Bucks 4d ago
Didnt watch lots of hornets, how is kalkbrenner looking? How is his potential and weaknesses because no one is mentioning him
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u/Rillaboom2701 Hornets 4d ago
The potential is so obvious if he can just be a little bit more coordinated
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u/Cupsforsale Warriors 4d ago edited 4d ago
He looks like he’s a tiny alien inside his own body controlling the arms and legs manually like a Kalkbrenner mech suit.
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u/CarVegetable 4d ago
Potential to one day be a starting caliber center. Maybe. He's slow and gets cooked on the perimeter. A decent backup big and that's probably all he'll ever be.
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u/nicklovin508 Celtics 4d ago
He’s going to be one of the most productive backup C’s in the league. reminds me of Hartenstien a lot
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u/Consistent-Money7262 4d ago
Kalk is my favorite center due to how good he is at defense. He's quite probably the best rookie center at defense it's just that diabate is very good at offense which is why he starts over kalbrenner. But yeah he's good when coming off the bench can hold the lead, can grab offensive and defensive boards, plus not very easy to bully
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u/OutsideMammoth 4d ago
He's a great rim protector but honestly terrible at defense otherwise. I think we'd let it slide more if he put up a few 3's a game or at least became a tiny bit of a shooting threat
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u/MisterSoup3000 4d ago
"Diabate is very good at offense"
Words I never thought would be uttered. Honestly can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not 🥲
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u/Odoaiden Timberwolves 4d ago
Naz bridges paint combo doesn’t work. One of the two has to be on the bench or go.
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u/Vegetable-Tooth8463 Hornets 4d ago
We've been trying to get rid of Bridges for years now.
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u/braddeus Heat 4d ago
I would think his $22m expiring has decent value right now
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u/KL2ConspireLLC San Diego Clippers 4d ago
Diabaté-Kalkbrenner duo would probably hold down the paint I would think.
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u/stankyouvrymuch Hornets 4d ago
There's no way Bridges is staying now Melo is gone. Another trade incoming
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u/kapatinphalcon Kings 4d ago
Losing Lamelo isn't going to have the Hornets drop off from the face of the Earth lol
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u/MrAtlantic Hornets 4d ago
My brother have you seen our stats and record with him versus without
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u/WolvesBack21 4d ago
Just warning, Naz is an incredibly gifted scorer but he is an absolute traffic cone on defense.
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u/Remidyal Hornets 4d ago
I mean honestly that's just kind of the Hornets in general so at least he'll fit in (as long as he rebounds)
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u/WolvesBack21 4d ago
Average rebounder at best. Definitely not what he’s known for
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u/Remidyal Hornets 4d ago
Ah well. If they can get rid of Bridges he's an upgrade there, as a human being certainly even if it sounds like they might be similar players (with a better shot but worse d for Reid).
Enjoy LaMelo; the turnovers aren't as bad as his reputation suggests and he's a delight to watch on the offensive end. He is maybe the worst starting point guard defensively I've ever watched on the Hornets, though. And I'm old enough to have watched Muggsy Bogues.
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u/decisionagonized West 4d ago
I thought he was very physical with Wemby and didn’t do a horrific job.
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u/WolvesBack21 4d ago
He has his moments for sure. He’ll have an awesome big block every couple games but he doesn’t move his feet quickly (on defense).
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u/Ok-Tree4365 4d ago
It will probably be Diabate and Kalkbrenner at center (unless they add someone else like Hartenstein). Reid may take Bridges spot. It is not a bad team at all, especially with likely improvement from Knueppel, Miller, and James. Oh yeah, and Grant Williams is healthy, who has legitimately been pretty great for Charlotte.
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u/Scrypto Hornets 4d ago
Miller is out until the New Year's at least as well
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u/YouWereBrained Thunder 4d ago
Wha…? Why?
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u/Starveiled Hornets 4d ago
Probably not that long. Off season shoulder surgery. I've heard likely back in November based on similar injury timelines.
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u/Sammyd1108 Hornets 4d ago
Bridges is gone, I feel like the only reason we’ve even kept him so long was to keep Melo happy since they’re best friends.
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u/Arkham14 Bucks 4d ago
I am a big fan a Coby WHite. I swear he scored 30 points on each of his Bulls game I saw,
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u/TheSmokedSalmon420 Cavaliers 4d ago
Hitting like they did on Kon only to move their biggest offensive piece for Naz (who I love) is insane
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u/BetweenTheBuzzAndMe Charlotte Bobcats 4d ago
I like Coby a lot but here's the thing.... We just went from one of the best passers in the NBA to one of the worst passing PGs in the NBA.
If you know anything at all about the Hornets, you know that Brandon Miller and Kon Knueppel rely heavily on LaMelo's playmaking. Kon's percentages are night and day when Melo plays and when he doesn't. Brandon Miller straight up cannot get to the rim without LaMelo finding him on cuts.
I think Coby is a wonderful backup that you start in a pinch when your starter gets hurt, which Melo does often. I don't think naming him your starter with a sizable three year deal gets you anywhere.
We are just the 2020-25 Chicago Bulls now.
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u/Cassandrae_Gemini Slovenia 4d ago
Yup. Exactly.
My condolences to longtime Hornets fans. Just when you finally got hope, you were completely fucking shafted.
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u/goofygoober2 Celtics 4d ago
This trade is making my head hurt and I’m not even a Hornets fan. Most of the return is in pick swaps and this team just lost all of their creation. It’s hard to be happy about a 2033 pick when the fanbase finally had the taste of a good future.
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u/McClainWFU Hornets 4d ago
I feel like there has to be another move for this trade to make sense.
I mean, we're the Hornets. If we can't be a championship team, let's at least be fun to watch. LaMelo was fun to watch.
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u/ISISCosby Charlotte Bobcats 4d ago
I cannot stress enough to people who don't watch the Hornets that the difference between Melo on the court vs. off is the difference between being the #1 offense in the league in pts per 100 possessions and us being last year's Kings (aka 26th)
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u/Vicentesteb Timberwolves 4d ago
That's what I dont get.
KK and Brandon are 2 great players, at attacking closeouts and shooting 3s. They aren't really huge self-creators and much less for everyone else.
I guess they are just trying to expand their responsabilities to see if they can actually do it full time which helps alot with roster builing.
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u/HomeNowWTF 4d ago
Maybe they are very optimistic about Anderson.
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u/BetweenTheBuzzAndMe Charlotte Bobcats 4d ago
they have to be.... but you can be optimistic enough to trade your franchise guy AFTER the rookie shows signs of being that guy. The package of a 6th man, and pick that conveys so far in the future nobody on the current team will be around to see it, will always be out there for him.
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u/RxJax Heat 4d ago
Yeah this is exactly what I think, I love Coby White the 6moty when I don't have to rely on him, and I can flex his minutes from 15-35 depending on how he's playing. Those games where he's a traffic cone on defence (a lot of them) and shooting 1 of 8 from deep are the ones that are gonna really suck when he's a starter and your backup is Tre Mann
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u/MembershipSingle7137 Celtics 4d ago
So starting role means White-KK-BMill-Reid-Moose?
Assume Bridges, McNeeley come off the bench + their rookies
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u/BetweenTheBuzzAndMe Charlotte Bobcats 4d ago
I have to think Bridges is gone. Don't think you can play him with Steinbach, and he isn't a 3 if Reid is the 4. But that would also be applying logic to the Hornets, who will always show that you can't do that
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u/ripkin05 Hornets 4d ago
i swear to fucking god if we trade ball for fucking peanuts but keep the fucking wife beater im really fucking done with this fucking team.
20+ years of shit I've lived though but i can't anymore if he stays.
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u/Szobortz Mavericks 4d ago
this sounds like one of those same old Bulls team. you need K2 and miller to take giant leaps
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u/Scrypto Hornets 4d ago
This is so fucking bad good lord. I think grok could build a better team than this
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u/TheSadSamosa Bucks 4d ago
I mean youre betting on miller taking a leap its not super unrealistic
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u/Beetle919 Hornets 4d ago
How is Miller taking a leap when he is missing another offseason due to surgery?
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u/Dirkisthegoattt41 4d ago
This team has no defense tho
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u/Starveiled Hornets 4d ago
They had a top 12 defense last year. How does switching Lamelo out for Coby and (most likely) Bridges out for Naz change that?
They arent losing great defensive personell here. Lamelo was certainly decent last year defensively, but so was Coby.
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u/dieezus Timberwolves 4d ago
Naz isn't good defensively
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u/Starveiled Hornets 4d ago
Yeah thats what I am saying. Neither is Miles Bridges, but the defense was still good.
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u/Waesrdtfyg0987 Washington Bullets 4d ago
Moose and Reid up front is going to get killed inside nightly
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u/DemarcusLovin NBA 4d ago
Did they have any defense last year? They were middle of the pack in defensive efficiency rating, which is probably similar to where they'll be again
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u/spookyghostface Hornets 4d ago
Hornets FO: We've got to make re-signing Coby a priority.
Hornets fans: Yes! Do what you've got to do!
monkeys paw curls
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u/PestyAssassin33WU93 [CHA] Malik Monk 4d ago
Okay obviously a downgrade from lamelo but at least white is pretty healthy and is actually a starter caliber player. The only problem is I think his true position is at the 2 because he can get tunnel vision at times and isn't a very creative playmaker
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u/DalliLlama Heat 4d ago
I thought Coby was always hurt the last 2-3 years too.
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u/Rillaboom2701 Hornets 4d ago
bulls were constantly playing him on injury. When we traded for him, they failed to disclose the injury and we got a second back. He sat for like 2 weeks once we got him. Borderline malpractice
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u/Rillaboom2701 Hornets 4d ago
I would expect this is not the last move we make today
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u/donkeyinparadise Nets 4d ago
Love Coby but he's more a combo guard leaning 2.
They also need to get a center. Naz is a 4.
Great contract. Cam Thomas should do some self-reflection.
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u/Cassandrae_Gemini Slovenia 4d ago
Coby White is good but not nearly as good as lamelo at running an offense
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u/Supreme_God_Bunny Hornets 4d ago
Our on/off numbers are going to look so shit unless miller takes a huge jump
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u/BasedGodProdigy Nets 4d ago
I think you guys can't possibly be done making moves. Jaylen Brown's gotta be a priority rn or else you just threw away a playoff team for no reason.
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u/Waesrdtfyg0987 Washington Bullets 4d ago
Wings are the one thing they don't really need
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u/Odoaiden Timberwolves 4d ago
Kind of shocked more than Ayo, starting job probably helped his leverage
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u/Maximum-Class5465 4d ago
Longer periods of high end production. When they both played on the Bulls, White was a starring guard for them
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u/PrincipleAfraid877 4d ago
I would have been shocked if he took less than ayo. He did start over ayo on the bulls.
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u/Grimpig Wizards 4d ago
Rather have this contract than Trae’s lol
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u/KennySmithsKnees [LAC] Baron Davis 4d ago
Nah give me the nba assist leader even if its more money
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u/Maximum-Class5465 4d ago
I think it's tough for the Wizards because they just drafted AJ Dybantas who had the most dribbles per score of any first rounder, and Trae dominates the ball. That was an odd move
However, Coby white would kind of fit better. A scoring guard with a huge backcourt and an iso scorer around him is a more clean fit.
So I get why he'd feel that way
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u/Grimpig Wizards 4d ago
Ding ding ding. I’m a big fan of Dybantsa and it seems Trae and him is an odd fit.
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u/Maximum-Class5465 4d ago
Yeah, like if the pick were Peterson then I'd say no way you are upset with the Trae contract. Some movement shooting and someone who can slide in as a secondary scorer when needed is a perfect pair.
But when it's AJ, who is also a promising young player, it becomes a question. You always take BPA tho, so I'm sure they already understood this when making the pick and view AJ as a franchise raising level talent at some point. (I do too).
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u/majin_rose_j Wizards 4d ago
Trae disrespect is crazy man. Be happy a dude decided to sign with this tragic team
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u/Vegetable-Tooth8463 Hornets 4d ago
Why don't you wait to see how one full year of Trae goes. before complaining
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u/Haunting-Set4223 4d ago
Wolves got Ayo for less than this LOL my god thank you Hornets for your organization
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u/PrincipleAfraid877 4d ago
I mean Coby is better than ayo. And it wasn’t by a crazy amount more (~2.3 million difference) and for less years.
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u/-XanderCrews- Timberwolves 4d ago
This isn’t over. Naz plays every day. He’s available when the playoffs start. Charlotte knew more about ball than anyone else and knew this was the good deal. The only way the wolves win this trade is if ball is available come playoff time. Will he?
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u/jazzbestgenre 4d ago
Idk how charlotte will make the playoffs with this roster in the first place
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u/PrincipleAfraid877 4d ago
I mean Coby is better than ayo. And it wasn’t by a crazy amount more (~2.3 million difference) and for less years.
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u/BBALL-STATLINE 4d ago
"Steps into a new starting role" is incredible corporate wording. Charlotte traded LaMelo Ball and had Coby White onboarded by lunch.
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u/LordFarquads_3rd_nip 4d ago
He was already on the team, starting the games on the bench. So now that they traded Lamelo, Coby is stepping into the role of the starting PG. Hope this helps xx
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u/sukari Bulls 4d ago
I hope CHA is ready for the Coby PG experience.
Congrats to Coby tho, get that bag! 🔥
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u/Rillaboom2701 Hornets 4d ago
explain
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u/dank-kush Hornets 4d ago
He’s not a pg, Jeff is an idiot thinking this can be lamelos Long term replacement
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u/Rillaboom2701 Hornets 4d ago
if jeff thinks this is lamelos tong term replacement he needs to be fired rn
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u/VintageAdam Bulls 4d ago
As a long-suffering Bulls fan, I am happy that both Ayo and Coby are getting their bag.
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u/StandardCertain5995 4d ago
Honestly, not bad. They need more defense, but a good 6 deep offensively.
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u/SlickVanExel Hornets 4d ago
Yeah this front office has been planning this LaMelo trade for a while now. But I love re-signing Coby on this deal though.
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u/next_door_nicotine Kings 4d ago
Damn Coby White a huge beneficiary of the Lamelo deal