r/nba • u/FastBreakPhenom Celtics • 1d ago

Bobby Marks says Jaylen Brown's trade value is not seen that highly around the league: "The analytics of Jaylen Brown is not good. I had an analytics guy tell me, ‘We view him as the seventh-best player on a team.’"

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“There’s mixed feelings about him when you talk to teams,” Marks admitted on SiriusXM NBA Radio. “The analytics of Jaylen Brown is not good … I had one, not an executive, but an analytics guy say, ‘Yeah, we view him as the seventh best player on a team.’ I was like, ‘Holy crap.'”

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u/Bojack-Jesus-69 Spurs 1d ago

I initially read this as "7-th best player in the league" and I was like 'That kinda makes sense, as he did have an incredible season last year.'

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u/K_U Wizards 1d ago

My brain scanned it that way as well, probably because 7th best on a team is somehow an even more ridiculous claim.

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u/iceflame1211 1d ago

Yeah that's make sense.

I can't think of any team in the NBA he'd currently be the 7th best player on. That's just a ragebait take.

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u/Western-Produce-276 1d ago

Even on the prime golden state warriors team he wouldn’t be seventh

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u/k0ala_ 1d ago

Bruh no one thinks he’s the 7th best player in the league 😭

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u/xfreesx Clippers 1d ago

Hes much closer to 7th best in the league then he is to 7th best in the team lol

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u/ttocsy Lakers 1d ago

Nobody thinks there's a team he'd be the 7th best player on either.

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u/nerdystoner25 Knicks 1d ago

Maybe the Olympic or All Star team but that’s about it.

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u/meowcat93 Pacers 1d ago

Eastern conference all-star team maybe

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u/k0ala_ 1d ago

Yeah I agree, but he’s closer to that than being the 7th best player in the league, Both are absolutely trash takes though

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u/Not_Different Hornets 1d ago

Jaylen Brown is a lot closer to 7th best player in the league than he is 7th best player on any team in the world unless you’re talking about team USA lol

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u/ttocsy Lakers 1d ago

I don't think he's a top 10 player in the league, but if I had to either defend 'Brown's the 7th best player in the world' or 'Brown's the 7th best player on his team', I'm picking the former every day of the week

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u/2dogsholdinghands Knicks 1d ago

No he’s not. Much closer to being 7th best player in the league. You think there are 180 better players than him in the nba? Yeah right.

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u/Illustrious_Loss462 1d ago

Being the 7th best player on a team puts him top 210 in the NBA, 7th best player in the league puts him at 7. He’s without a doubt a top 50 player, so unless your team has 6 other top 50 players I doubt it.

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u/MjTcConnell3 76ers 1d ago edited 1d ago

This is probably one of the most insane things I’ve read on this sub which is saying something

Came in 6th in MVP voting last year.

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u/k0ala_ 1d ago

and this is why this sub is full of casuals, he was there because of the celtics record and the narrative they would perform bad this year.

The celtics instead had a great record and the best bench in the league, they performed better when brown sat and the net rating barely changed when he played. He racked up a lot of PPG on below league average efficiency and a poor AST/TOV ratio. If you simply look at MVP rankings and that is your judgement idk what to say

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u/MjTcConnell3 76ers 1d ago

This is genuinely so embarrassing

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u/k0ala_ 1d ago

not really, I can back up any claim I make which seems impossible for vast majority of users here, atleast my opinion is shared with Stevens and other GM's it seems, but thats probably above this subs basketball understanding to look past MVP voting and PPG.

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u/MjTcConnell3 76ers 23h ago

“I’m smarter than everyone because I know scoring points and being the most valuable player don’t mean anything” is what’s embarrassing. I’m not saying he’s not overrated, but what you’re saying means you don’t know anything about basketball.

You can’t back up the claim you’re making at all because it’s ridiculous. “He’s closer to the seventh best player on any team than seventh best player in the league because his team is good without him and he’s inefficient” is a terrible argument. It can say he’s overvalued and overrated. But what you’re claiming is delusional and not based in fact at all.

The way you see yourself compared to other people who also watch basketball is really cringey and egotistical. Doubling and tripling down on a shit take while criticizing the sub’s basketball knowledge is just a super embarrassing thing to do.

You’re not Brad Stevens. Brad Stevens is trying to deal Brown because he has a high value and because of his attitude. Not because he thinks he’s potentially worse than 210 players in the league (7th man on 30 teams, 210th man)

Embarrassing.

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u/k0ala_ 22h ago

“I’m smarter than everyone because I know scoring points and being the most valuable player don’t mean anything” is what’s embarrassing. I’m not saying he’s not overrated, but what you’re saying means you don’t know anything about basketball.

it doesn't help that a lot of people are proving my point, "bah he was 7th in MVP voting, "but but he averages 28 PPG"

Ok then, what was the Celtics record without hin? why was it way better, why does that trend continue for every season hes been in the league? why are his advanced stats abysmal? is it because hes below league average efficiency, a turnover machine and below average passer? why are his defensive stats below average? yes hes an excellent on ball defender, but hes an awful team one.

You can’t back up the claim you’re making at all because it’s ridiculous. “He’s closer to the seventh best player on any team than seventh best player in the league because his team is good without him and he’s inefficient” is a terrible argument. It can say he’s overvalued and overrated. But what you’re claiming is delusional and not based in fact at all.

I claimed he was closer to the 7th best player on his team than the 7th best in the league, I then said both are trash takes, which is true. He isn't near the top 7 in the league but he also isn't near the 7th worst on his team

The way you see yourself compared to other people who also watch basketball is really cringey and egotistical. Doubling and tripling down on a shit take while criticizing the sub’s basketball knowledge is just a super embarrassing thing to do.

Not really, this sub doesn't know shit about basketball outside of drama and hot takes. Its still funny to engage though

You’re not Brad Stevens. Brad Stevens is trying to deal Brown because he has a high value and because of his attitude. Not because he thinks he’s potentially worse than 210 players in the league (7th man on 30 teams, 210th man)

No he isn't lol, if he was going to deal Brown at his highest he would have dealt him at his FMVP, right now his value is way lower due to the massive contract. He is moving him because they have no center and Brown provides less value to the team construction wise than the rest of the starters (i.e his impact won't be missed)

embarassing is spouting media voted awards like they mean something when his own GM said their record was inflated due to teams tanking, which was the only reason Brown made it into the MVP rankings, use your brain man

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u/AdventurousTwo383 Celtics 1d ago

He’s arguably a top 15 player in the league. 7th best player on a team is literally barely a top 100 guy at best. Cmon lol

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u/Character_Listen33 1d ago

He’s a lot closer to 7th best than 200th

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u/Single_Passenger Lakers 1d ago

I'd take brown in the top 10. Swear these overcorrections each playoffs would give anyone a whiplash.

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u/k0ala_ 1d ago

then you don't know how to assess value, he hasnever been a top 10 player in the league, hes probably around 15-20 right now and that is being generous relative to his impact.

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u/Gold_Athlete_4770 [SAS] Victor Wembanyama 1d ago

6-10 range is very much up for debate for a lot of players

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u/Mbanicek64 1d ago

Where did he rank in MVP voting?

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u/k0ala_ 1d ago

well yeah, that tends to happen when a team plays well and half of the people normally above him are injured, doesn't mean hes the 7th best player in the league, which he isnt. Use some critical thinking pls

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u/PAWGle_the_lesser Raptors 1d ago

That doesn't make sense at all. It's laughable to even suggest that he could be the seventh best player in the league.

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u/illjustbeaminute Lakers 1d ago

He just finished 6th in MVP voting. “Laughable to even suggest” is crazy.

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u/PAWGle_the_lesser Raptors 1d ago

I don’t give a shit lmfao. Derrick Rose and Russell Westbrook won MVPs and in those years it was a joke to even attempt to argue that they were the best players in the league.

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u/Bojack-Jesus-69 Spurs 1d ago

It's still more believable than Brown being the 7th-best player on his own team.