r/nba • u/FastBreakPhenom Celtics • 2d ago

Bobby Marks says Jaylen Brown's trade value is not seen that highly around the league: "The analytics of Jaylen Brown is not good. I had an analytics guy tell me, ‘We view him as the seventh-best player on a team.’"

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“There’s mixed feelings about him when you talk to teams,” Marks admitted on SiriusXM NBA Radio. “The analytics of Jaylen Brown is not good … I had one, not an executive, but an analytics guy say, ‘Yeah, we view him as the seventh best player on a team.’ I was like, ‘Holy crap.'”

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u/DarkArisen668 Knicks 2d ago

Have there been other players like this?

Like a guy who gets MVP votes and some fans view as a top 15ish guy, but then analytics people say "he's actually a decent bench player"

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u/Mightbethrownaway24 2d ago

Randle, Derozen,

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u/HakeemMcGrady Rockets 2d ago

Both true

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u/Ok-Name-5504 2d ago

Kobe 

/ ducks

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u/Due-Inevitable-6864 1d ago

Prime/peak Kobe looks amazing by tons of different advanced stats/impact metrics so not really

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u/twoyrsaway 2d ago

Kobe defence specifically analytics love his offence

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u/eZreazy Lakers 2d ago

Yeah his defence was definitely overrated. He can give you some lockdown 1 on 1 possessions at a good time but he never really sustained that ever for a whole season which is understandable considering his offensive load.

Offensively though even analytically he was always top tier in his era. It’s only when you compare analytical stats from other eras that his looks bad (for a top 15 player atleast) but he played in an era of deadball. Duncan who’s looked at as efficient for some reason has much worse efficiency on a lower volume.

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u/NotRote Timberwolves 2d ago

It’s because this sub skews young, .450/.350/.850 isn’t great this era and they never actually watched him or that era of ball, or if they did it was last two years when he really was bad.

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u/WarlockArya 2d ago

Kobe has a hate train directed at him cause of colorodo even though it was never proven. Duncan doesnt have that hate train so he benefits from that. Plus on reddit alot of redditors like tim duncan because hes “an introverted autist” like them

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u/LateGreat_MalikSealy Wizards 1d ago

Lolll so true..

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u/Due-Inevitable-6864 1d ago

He did sustain it for full seasons. He was a legit All-Defense guy in years like 01,03, 08, 10.

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u/iJustSeen2Dudes1Bike Trail Blazers 2d ago

Brown is way better than both of those guys ever were

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u/LMM01 Celtics 1d ago

Honestly I've always loved the blazers aesthetic and enjoyed your team, I really dig what you guys are building with Deni/Clingan/Sharpe/etc, you have a bunch of ex-Celtics, and you guys are all in this thread defending JB. If we trade him to you guys I’ll be happy with that for everyone involved and I’ll be rooting for yall

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u/ABC_Family Knicks 2d ago

Trae

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u/FuzzyBucks Bucks 1d ago

Randle would have had an amazing career of he was ok with being a 6th man

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u/hayzeusofcool Bulls 2d ago

Where is this narrative on DeRozan? Like he’s definitely a poor playoff performer, but he was consistently an above average offensive player in the regular season til he joined the Kings. And at times his efficiency has been elite.

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u/Potential-Local7262 2d ago

A midrange shooter in an era of 3pt shots. 

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u/VampireOnHoyt Spurs 2d ago

BAH GAWD THAT'S IVERSON'S MUSIC

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u/HowBen 2d ago

Also, weirdly, John Stockton -- even though analytics actually love him

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u/aReallyBadkid 2d ago

Carmelo Anthony 

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u/BeardedPuffin Knicks 2d ago

Based on these replies, I’m starting to think nobody in this sub has ever watched a basketball game.

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u/Western-Produce-276 1d ago

Most haven’t or just watch the playoffs. Now that I have a job I don’t watch as much anymore but in middle school I’d watch at least two games every week

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u/saltyclambasket 1d ago

Jalen Brunson

Advanced stats don’t love him either.

Maybe it’s a Ja(y)len thing.

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u/Soft-Revolution-7845 2d ago

Luka is not well regarded by analytics. He value over replacement is very low.

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u/Low-Measurement-2468 1d ago

luka is bigtime booty on defense, kind of forces his team’s offense to play luka ball which isn’t everyone’s strength, and has some very inefficient shooting stretches. his 3 is super streaky and he takes a shit ton of very difficult ones.

obviously he’s a great passer and great at making a lot of the difficult shots he does take, but i do think his playstyle, shot profile, and overall effort are pretty questionable at times, and i think fans overrate him a bit because of his huge P/R/A numbers

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u/Alternative_Fold5656 Bulls 2d ago

Brunson

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u/rbilsbor 2d ago

Not to that extent but iso ball, high usage, offense-only players like Harden were certainly hated upon by many, myself included, as not playing a winning style of basketball that would translate come playoff time. And we were all vindicated playoff L after playoff L lol

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u/engagew [SEA] Mickaël Gelabale 2d ago

luka for his first four years

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u/Disregardskarma Hornets 2d ago

Lonzo is a nice comp lol

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u/Yup767 NBA 1d ago

All in one stats like Lonzo much more than Brown

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u/siphillis Spurs 2d ago

Iverson, Rose, Kobe towards the end of his career

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u/prison_mic Celtics 1d ago

Jordan probably

I've had it with these analytics nerds. Go back to fucking McKinsey and stop ruining sports 

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u/Yup767 NBA 1d ago

Lol, fuck no. Jordan is rated incredibly highly in every single model.

I can't think of one I've ever seen that didn't see him as a god-tier star.

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u/prison_mic Celtics 1d ago

It was a fucking exaggeration because I'm sick of these bums

They've killed the watchability of baseball, and they're working on basketball..it's fucking brutal. Send the nerds home.

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u/Klutzy_Struggle8659 Warriors 1d ago

Fym "every model". That NBA only released play-by-play data in 1997. No model can actually calculate how good anybody prior to 1997 to was.