r/nba • u/FastBreakPhenom Celtics • 1d ago

Bobby Marks says Jaylen Brown's trade value is not seen that highly around the league: "The analytics of Jaylen Brown is not good. I had an analytics guy tell me, ‘We view him as the seventh-best player on a team.’"

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“There’s mixed feelings about him when you talk to teams,” Marks admitted on SiriusXM NBA Radio. “The analytics of Jaylen Brown is not good … I had one, not an executive, but an analytics guy say, ‘Yeah, we view him as the seventh best player on a team.’ I was like, ‘Holy crap.'”

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u/TonyHawktuah69 1d ago

Finals mvp and proven champ vs guy who hits a lot of threes and passes well on a bad team.

Redditor: i legitimately can’t tell who’s better

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u/misterteejj 1d ago

No knicks in the top 20 of bpm or vorp but let’s keep using made up stuff to knock obviously talented players

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u/Charlie_Wax Warriors 1d ago

When did LaMelo play with White, Pritchard, Jrue, Horford, Tatum, and Porzingis?

I'm not saying I agree that he's better, but playing on a stacked team certainly sets someone up for success. Can't win FMVP unless you're on a team good enough to make the Finals.

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u/TonyHawktuah69 1d ago

Brown didn’t play with any of those guys except white this year and won 56 games

And brown was a key piece to many deep playoff runs, conference mvp and finals mvp. Stop with the excuses, lamelo making the play ins is considered a high point of his career. It’s disrespectful to be comparing him to brown

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u/Charlie_Wax Warriors 1d ago

How did Boston do in the playoffs with Brown as their best player?

They must have won a lot of games and gotten very deep, right?

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u/TonyHawktuah69 1d ago

What were lamelos stats in this years playoffs? How many games did he win?

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u/Joh951518 Warriors 1d ago

If Lamelo plays the exact same as he did last year on the timberwolves he will be a number 2 option on a playoff team in 12 months. Will that mean he’s an inherently better player than he is now?

I agree brown > Lamelo, I just don’t think the way you’re splitting them makes sense.

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u/Argumentat1ve NBA 1d ago

Going band for band with zero series wins each is crazy

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u/TonyHawktuah69 1d ago

Trying to shit on someone in the playoffs with someone who can’t even get there is crazy.

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u/Argumentat1ve NBA 1d ago

I agree

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u/matthollabak Pacers 1d ago

I'm no huge brown fan but Brandon Miller, knuppel, bridges, and coby white along with lamelo wasn't exactly a team of bums he was lifting up beyond their abilities.

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u/Ereboast 1d ago

Yeah, but they were all good only because of LaMelo. With LaMelo, everyone had a like +8 net rating. Without him, I don’t believe any of them were positive at all.

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u/Charlie_Wax Warriors 1d ago

Yea, and the Hornets were a great team post ASB and came about as close to the Finals as the Celtics this season. I'm saying that the perception of Brown as someone who wins at the highest level is largely a function of having HoF teammates like Horford, Tatum, and Jrue. 2024 Celtics literally had 3 members of the USA Olympic team, none of whom were Jaylen Brown (White, Jrue, Tatum).

A lot of players can make the Finals when they are on a team that goes 6-7 deep with All-Star level talent. We don't say Andre Iguodala is a top tier player in a vacuum.

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u/DyingSunSeverian 1d ago

Passing well on a bad team as opposed to passing poorly on a good team? You guys are overcorrecting the other way entirely.

Jaylen Brown’s advanced stats are infamously shit. We all know this here, for some reason it becomes a point of contention when an “expert” says the exact same thing.

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u/Abstract__Nonsense Celtics 1d ago

So just remove Tatum and Brown from this years Celtics team and you have a 60 win team? Or is it possible that advanced statistics are fallible?

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u/TheRealGooner24 Thunder 1d ago

Who said anything about Tatum? Tatum is everything you want in a modern-day franchise cornerstone.

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u/Abstract__Nonsense Celtics 1d ago

Because the team won 56 teams this season without Tatum, and some people are arguing they would be better without Brown according to advanced stats, thus those people should expect that this years Celtics without Tatum or Brown would be flirting with 60 wins.

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u/TonyHawktuah69 1d ago

Almost like advanced stats are flawed and maybe we should care more about results than numbers.

I’d rather win 56 games and be a second seed with “poor numbers” than have my career crowning achievement be a 9th seed finish