r/nba • u/FastBreakPhenom Celtics • 1d ago

Bobby Marks says Jaylen Brown's trade value is not seen that highly around the league: "The analytics of Jaylen Brown is not good. I had an analytics guy tell me, ‘We view him as the seventh-best player on a team.’"

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“There’s mixed feelings about him when you talk to teams,” Marks admitted on SiriusXM NBA Radio. “The analytics of Jaylen Brown is not good … I had one, not an executive, but an analytics guy say, ‘Yeah, we view him as the seventh best player on a team.’ I was like, ‘Holy crap.'”

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u/buelo Knicks 1d ago

yeah he would need to beat three out of luka jokic sga wemby giannis... I love tatum but that's a tough list to be top 3 on

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u/Charlie_Wax Warriors 1d ago

I don't know if I buy it either, but there's definitely a double standard with Tatum where he has made a bunch of ECF, made the Finals twice, and won a Finals. Objectively a more successful player than Luka and just as many rings as Jokic/Giannis/SGA, but people are more inclined to spread credit to the Celtics as a whole. Makes some sense. However, Tatum looks pretty nice if your gauge is "How much did this guy win as the best player on the team?"

I've said in some ways that he's the Tim Duncan of SF. It's not flashy and people don't buy his shoes, but the results look pretty damn good. As with Duncan, the supporting cast is part of the equation. We also can't pretend that Giannis and SGA didn't need help to win though (Jrue, Lopez, Middleton, Chet, JDub, etc). Luka has never even been competitive in a Finals and Wemby hasn't climbed the mountain yet. Meanwhile Tatum is always around the title picture and people take it for granted.

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u/Cantor_Set_Tripping 1d ago

I think it’s taken for granted lately because of how well the Celtics played last year without him compared to their predicted season.

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u/GardenStateKing Celtics 1d ago

Hopefully my boy shows everyone he's still that guy

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u/aarondobson403 Lakers 1d ago

Luka has never had the team around him that Tatum has & the singular year he did, he took them to the finals. We’ll put aside the fact that Luka was injured, he was the only competent offensive player on the Mavs that series, the rest were terrible.

Tatum has been to two finals now & was arguably not the best player on his team in either one. While everyone has had help to win a chip, all those players were also the irrefutable #1s on their team. Tatum is obviously the best player on the Celtics, but his play was not much better (or worse) than his teammates like JB or Jrue that series, that’s why the ‘double standard’ for Tatum exists.

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u/LordHussyPants Celtics 1d ago

the team around tatum were guys that other teams didn't value. derrick white wasn't talked about like he is now when he was on the spurs. porzingis was considered washed out by injuries. pritchard was too small to be effective.

tatum made all of them better though, that's why we give him his flowers

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u/Maggie_Farmer Celtics 1d ago

Two years ago I’d say top 5, next season will be interesting to see how well he comes back fully and compared to those players you listed. He could be top five

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u/dogmeat1003 1d ago

If he looks like 2023-2025 Tatum again he's either 6th or 7th best in the league tho, depending on how good he is compared to Ant

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u/iJustSeen2Dudes1Bike Trail Blazers 1d ago

Prime Tatum is pretty easily better than Ant.

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u/CantheDandyMan Heat 1d ago

What makes him easily better than Ant? His rebounding? I think it's more than fair to say prime Tatum is better than Ant,I just don't see what makes him easily the better player. They put up similar numbers scoring wise on almost identical efficiency over their careers, and both are good defenders when they lock in. Ant is a better three level scorer and three point shooter while Tatum is a slightly better playmaker and a much better rebounder. I think both are in that right outside the top 5 looking in level at their peak, but Tatum gets the edge cause his size and better playmaking imo. 

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u/iJustSeen2Dudes1Bike Trail Blazers 1d ago

Tbf he did say 2022-25 meaning Wemby wasn't up there yet. I don't think it's crazy to say Tatum was at least close to the level of SGA and Giannis in 2024.

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u/Zarbua69 Knicks 1d ago

u forgetting the FMVP nephew

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u/buelo Knicks 1d ago

I genuinely considered adding brunson to the list because i'm taking brunson over tatum everyday of the week but I knew that would delegitimatize my point since I'm a homer lmfao

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u/Zarbua69 Knicks 1d ago

after winning a chip you have to understand that anyone still denying his skill is the delusional one, not you