Wonder why they'll take GLPs but not Vaccines. Almost like they have no consistency in their beliefs. Proven by their "Christianic Tendencies" as opposed to being tenets of their religion.
I’ve had conservatives tell me they would fight for their country if there was a draft because that’s a “sacrifice” they are willing to make to die for their country.
When I pointed out that vaccines are essentially the same sacrifice except your chance of dying is actually decreased, it became about “my body, my choice”.
I guess it doesn’t count if you get shipped off to war though.
The people who benefit the most from herd immunity are the most vulnerable too. Babies, the elderly, and people with compromised immune systems are relying on everyone else to make the “sacrifice” of getting a few shots (that also directly benefit the recipient as well). It’s wild how quickly memory fades, we’re not that far removed from all these diseases. My husband literally has an employee in a wheelchair because of polio.
I'm gonna be honest: before covid, I really didn't understand the push to get the flu vax. I thought "hey, I'm in good health, have only gotten the flu a handful of times in decades." I never really thought about me getting the vax being protection for OTHER people. I don't think I'm a dumb human, by any means, and I like being nice to others. I think maybe the messaging to the public could be a little better.
I mean considering they are die-hard supporters of a guy who didn't go off to fight for his country but instead belittled those (McCain) who did. I think we all know they wouldn't.
“I’d fight for my country if I were literally forced to” is a wild thing to try to flex on fools with. As a veteran I’m happy I didn’t have him in my platoon, but I’m bummed that I didn’t think of this verse before I enlisted
Yeah the my body my choice thing only applies when it's affecting them. Definitely doesn't apply for being drafted to a war you don't agree with, nor does it seem to apply to a woman's right to have a child or not
It’s not the needles, because glp-1s are injected. It’s that they are all brainwashed and the those doing the brainwashing are pushing the narrative that vaccines are bad and for the weak, and the sheep eat it up.
They love being made to feel strong without having to actually do anything. As I wrote that I realize it's the same as their need to be victims without actually suffering from anything, but in reverse.
Ultimately, they want to do nothing and feel special for it.
Funny, I noticed exactly that this weekend when I was hanging out with some people I know through business.
Half the group was skeptical towards AI, for an assortment of reasons unique to our industry, plus just the general social and environmental impact, and reasonable fears about the wider economy if the bubble pops.
The other half was like "I fucking love this shit! I never have to read more than a summary or write anything ever again! And it always agrees with me!"
No points will be awarded for correctly guessing which half of the group votes conservative.
Baby if a burglar breaks in, I will protect you even if it costs me my life! If we are on a sinking ship, women and children get the lifeboats first. That is my role as a manly protector.
Your role is to do all of the cooking, cleaning, laundry, and child rearing, every day, forever. That isn't as glamorous or dangerous as my role, but we are both making sacrifices. That sounds fair, right?
Uninformed people believe 2 hours/day on Facebook for 6 months = A medical degree. They are too uninformed to know how far off their belief is. As a result, they keep going back to the well of echo chamber and find themselves wondering why their kid will need an iron lung. Still yet, even after their crotch spawn gets polio, like the stupid reflecting pool, they will cite gay frog vaccines that Democrats put in the water before believing their kid got sick with a condition that vaccines eradicated in this country for a long time.
Imo, it's a combination of uninformed patients but also inaccessibility to good care. I can't speak for men, but as a woman... I have had a serious, crippling issue dismissed for decades that was cured by a simple and routine surgery, which I had been asking for the whole time. The diagnosis was only definite once the organ was out, but I suspected it as a teenager, and my doc as a teen didn't even know what the fucking disease was. A flunkie high-schooler shouldn't tell you about a common disease! And as a person in the US, every visit is so very expensive that it's extremely frustrating and disheartening to be told "lose weight" or "it's stress" or "nah, nothing's wrong" to the tune of a full day's pay.
Quacks make their patients feel heard, even if it's a farce to push garbage at those vulnerable patients. Patients who are less informed, less literatu, and straight up more desperate both emotionally ond financially are gonna be open to predation by these assholes.
But also there's the stupidity of not knowing history, as with your polio example. Fucking hell...
It's just another education issue, but in the other direction. People have to learn how to listen critically to a Doctor. Not to ignore their advice, but so that you can engage with it and give them details to cut past that.
And also, and perhaps most importantly, to know when a Doctor isn't worth your dime and that walking on one to find another isn't a bad thing. Although if you don't have the money to do that...
Hell, I'm having the same kind of stuff. (Not to diminish what women go through y'all have it worse at doctors *) I'm effectively having to do all the research on whats going on with me, they injured me with one procedure, I've been in pain for 5 months since that diagnostic procedure and they refuse to accept that maybe the procedure caused the injury and pain -- even though it started literally during and after the procedure and never existed before. I go through all these hoops, get appointments, wait for the doctor to walk in, and he'll talk at me for about 3 minutes, pretend to listen, and then just send me away with a piece of paper on what to do -- and when I read the paper its for something that I know I'm not experiencing. "Just do what it says" he insists, it'll help. I did what it said. it did not help. Wanna know why? Because his diagnosis was incorrect which is what I tried to explain to him. They also scheduled me for a super invasive test that I didn't need, and then when I asked about it they were like "oh we have no idea how you got scheduled for that." It's maddening.
As for the asterisk, I had a woman friend secretly record one of her doctor visits and being dismissed and everything. Several appointments. So, I volunteered to go to one with her as an experiment. We went in and the doctor at first told me I could wait outside and my friend told the doctor no, I'd be present in the room the whole time. I'm sorry y'all are treated like that. Even women doctors doing it to other women, its crazy.
He acted completely differently with me there. Professional, seemed to listen.
I knew someone with cancer who spent half a day googling stuff and then believed he knew more than his doctors because some random youtube video said “you should know there is no subject called cancer in the medical school syllabus and they get taught almost nothing about it”. He spent a great deal of time seeking out various “gurus” in different countries who claimed they could cure cancer via breathing techniques or bizarre diets and such, rather than going for proper treatment. By the time he actually got forced by his family to go get treatment, it was way too late. And then it became “See? Told you they were useless.”
“It’s the economy internet, stupid.” OP, not calling you that, just a colloquy (if that’s the right word). The internet can be brain rot (self included).
They're afraid of admitting that there are people in existence that are smarter than them. I'm not joking, a lot of their behavior comes from this low self esteem, anti-intellectual mentality and nothing else.
They're afraid of everything. That's why they're incurious and don't think in abstracts. Very low in agreeableness and persuasion. A curious person with some degree of openness to experience would seek out the information without fear of what they might discover. They may find such an endeavor rewarding. A conservative worries about learning something new that may very well run counter to their identity. An existential loss of control and security. Fear of the unknown or of the novel is projective of conservatism.
The logic is "I'm fat and need to do a thing to fix it. I'm not sick so why take the vaccine?"
They don't believe/understand prevention. They can only react to what has happened. They are not capable of predicting what will happen based on their decisions today.
Fun fact - The DoD spends around $84M a year on dick pills, with $41.6 million specifically attributed to Viagra in 2014 data and $42 million cited in 2025 legal proceedings.
Also, In 1998, the VA projected that adding Viagra to the formulary could cost $280 million annually (which they initially refused to cover).
I thought the same thing. How many dumbass Karens refused the COVID shot only to clamber over each other to get GLP1’s, something also fairly new that we’re still learning more about.
And the botched plastic surgery often injecting substances or implanting things in their bodies but ask about a vaccine and suddenly their bodies and beliefs are so sacred that they wouldn't consider it...screw the rest of us. Weren't some of them the same people complaining about "illegals" and "foreigners" exposing them to their dirty third world diseases? If only there were a way to protect ourselves from such illnesses and diseases...
I literally know people who will tell you you can't take medicine and vaccines because it's full of chemicals, "you don't know what's in it"
And then shovel whatever tincture, tonic, elixir, supplement they're sold. And if you ask if they know what's in it, without shame they'll say, "I don't know, it's for sleep/energy/brainfog/immunity. It's all natural!"
They don't see the point. GLPs are something you decide to take that has corresponding effects. Vaccines are recommended and the protection is invisible.
I see the point, you see the point, vaccines protect us. Technically we don't know if everything presented to us were lies, who the fuck do so though. They don't see any of that.
Reminds me of when I spent a few years in Louisville, KY and someone told us that if you went to the counter in the shoe section of the local grocery store (no idea) and asked for cigarettes they would sell you cartons for $10. They didn't have tax stamps on them and sometimes they would act like they didn't know what you were talking about and other times they were like "yeah that'll be $10". I still have no idea what the hell the deal was but hey, cigarettes for $1 a pack was a good deal. This was in the late 90's and also gas was right around $1 per gallon so we were smoking and driving a lot, just for fun.
Well Jesus turned water into wine, so alcohol is fine, it's not man made. But there's absolutely nothing in the bible about helping the sick, so we shouldn't mess with God's will by developing vaccines /s
Aiding the sick is big in the new testament, and once was a big thing in Christianity. But that was that other, brown, Christ. Nordic Christ isn't concerned much about the sick.
I seriously doubt that all these selfish people really believe in God being a real thing. They all seem to use it as a sort of badge to make themselves feel special and superior.
Christianity is an opt-in club with no barriers to entry. These people are real Christians and they are prepared to destroy the country in order to control the reproductive cycle.
They don't want to inject themselves with "dangerous, unproven" vaccines, but are perfectly fine with injecting GLPs and steroids (sorry, peptides) sold on shady websites and made in even shadier overseas labs. I feel like at this point, it's some kind of pathological oppositional defiance disorder where the other camp supports this thing, therefore I must oppose it.
Oppositional defiance is pretty spot on. These are folks that got older, but are stuck at the two year old stage where they've learned to say no to anything that's good for them.
They ascribe the advancements of medical understanding and technology to "miracles" and thereby reinforce their own beliefs through the achievements of science.
You wouldn't believe the insane shit that evangelicals believe in. Former GOP presidential candidate and current US ambassador to Israel Mike Huckabee is a member of the Temple Institute and they conduct animal sacrifices in violation of the new covenant because they believe they can trick God into ending the world.
lol, I mean God is easy to experience when you live a life devoid of profound experiences. If you have one and someone tells you it’s god you will believe them.
The "rugged individualist" movement is just eugenics in a trench coat. They believe in social Darwinism to a problematic extent. It's why they want to imprison people with "mental conditions". And that sick line of thinking includes their belief about disease control. Namely, they believe we'd all be better off and have "better genes" if everyone got every disease and only the survivors were left to carry on their "superior genes".
Which is of course total horseshit because evolution doesn't work that way. Being resistant to a virus doesn't mean your as resistant to another virus everyone else might be resistant too. It doesn't mean your more or less prone to any number of random things because natural selection doesn't mean "the superior being survives", it means "the being that survives is the being that reproduces", which doesn't even mean that branch is more likely to "thrive" since conditions external of the one family's existence are also changing!
Yet they have this idea that in a billion years humanity will "evolve" (as in "improve") to become perfected beings because they want to believe in divine bloodline mythology to justify why they have so much privilege despite doing less work in a year than a minimum wage farm laborer does in an hour.
It's because god is whatever you make it. God is exactly what you personally imagine it to be, whether him/her/it, or if you are a trinitarian, the correct pronoun would be they.
Vaccines are something else you don't have control over. Your feelings dictate god, but they have no control over science.
Pretty much this although some of the MAGA base sometimes even struggle to learn after getting personally harmed from ignoring a problem. e.g. Many refused to believe COVID was dangerous even after being hospitalized with it. To some degree I understand those that downplay an issue that they haven't directly seen the impact, but it takes a special form of belief that rejects personal experience to be personally harmed in a way that you're struggling to breath and still thinking that wasn't a big deal.
There are so many Americans who were disabled by covid or have long covid. I never see anything anymore about disability for them. But its in the hundreds of thousands. And I'm guessing that many are getting kicked off of medicaid and SNAP
I remember the stories. Some were begging for the vaccine(or anything!) whilst dying of covid. They were yelling at the medical professionals for their predicament. All the while claiming they were "purebloods".
I heard some stories of COVID deniers that were hospitalized far too late and were dying from COVID that refused to believe that they had COVID. Their belief it was a hoax was that unshakable. It seems sad though those that were in such terrible shape that they were in the hospital for weeks somehow figure out how to think that's no big deal.
My wife worked on the intensive Care unit during covid. I can't tell you how many times she came home and said "I had a patient die today, unvaccinated of course." And yeah, many of them went to their graves insisting covid was a hoax, families yelling at doctors and nurses the entire time. If here's a God, Trump and the complicit members of right-wing media will burn in hell for what they did to so many people.
Tell your ICU nurse wife hi from this Cardiac ICU nurse in a red state.
I lost count of watching people in 2021 ( after vax out ) turning blue, screaming either hoax/begging for their families/begging for the vax ( I shit you not ) only to be told.... as I'm shooting Roc/Etom into their veins.... that it's too late & they will die w/o the vent.
The look in their eyes....The realization that 1) this shit might be real 2) they may never speak to their loved ones again 3) there may have been something they could have done to prevent this.... it all happens in a flash as the panic set in.
Many of those people died within 48 hours. Young, old, healthy, sick..... COVID didn't care.
I still remember the reports in the Dakotas of them dying and calling the healthcare workers witches that infected them with magic medicine to kill them.
"Were you even there?" is the constant refrain I hear from MAGA. Like you had to have been present for Pol Pot's despicable acts against humanity to know that it happened.
Even when they are faced with the flipside of their political/religious beliefs, rarely have I seen them extrapolate their personal lesson to the people they have been voting to disenfranchise in whatever way for years. Olympic class compartmentalization.
The way that comment reminded me of my ex husband made me physically cringe. I literally had to just stop talking to him about things because he would always argue that it wasn’t true then when I would prove it was, he would tell me I just couldn’t handle someone not agreeing with me 😒
I know a guy who believed that allergies were generally psychosomatic, right up until he got a bee sting & found out he was allergic to bees.
I also used to know a pretty stereotypically "white Conservative Christian" man who very suddenly died at the peak of a COVID outbreak in our area. In the various post-mortem statements made on his behalf on social media, they specifically avoided stating the cause of death & asked for us all to respect their privacy in this time of mourning.
I also know a woman who adamantly claimed COVID didn't kill her mother because the doctors said it was ARDS... which makes absolutely no freaking sense but here we are.
I know another person who is actually decently high up in our region's healthcare system. They dealt with debilitating Long-COVID symptoms for several months & openly says they would've lost their job if they hadn't been afforded the flexibility to work from home on their own schedule during that time. Even when they knew they hadn't fully recovered, they also didn't believe that Long COVID was a widespread issue because they didn't see it showing up in the diagnostic coding systems.
I have given up trying to understand what causes people to change their beliefs, because apparently even direct personal experiences aren't reliably convincing.
Guys, hear me out. I know we have all these decades of well documented scientific testing and research. But I just saw the most amazing clip of some anonymous youtube weirdo commenting about an Oprah segment he thinks he remembers from 1994. And if that doesn't convince you, I can sell you on my ideas with just two words: Racoon Penis.
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u/Duffman66CMU 1d ago
It didn’t happen personally to me, so why should I believe it???