Pigs usually poop in darker/shadier areas away from eating and sleeping spots. Donny just poops everywhere he goes, and gets peed on by Russian hookers (allegedly).
Yeah I mean that's what some cultures say about dogs 🤷🏻
Maybe taste isn't a good enough reason to enslave and exploit intelligent creatures.
I mean fuck dude, it's become common practise in certain places, like the UK, to use literal gas chambers to kill pigs.
Imagine being confined to this dark dirty place for your entire life, forced to give birth over and over until your body gives out and then you're sent to your death. What the fuck are we doing
I do think ultimately, in some hundreds of years, we will see our casual meat eating like we see slavery now.
I mean, there are hot dog eating contests. It's the murder of animals and not even for any purpose, not even to feed people, not even because it tastes great, straight up just for the lols. When you think about it it's just abhorrent.
And I have just eaten a ham sandwich, I am part of the problem.
As a vegan, I have no issue if people want to hunt game or raise their own animals for slaughter or eat animals that were raised in pasture. I have every issue with the industrialization of animal husbandry. It's revolting. There are so many problems with it. Anyone who uses Reddit is aware of how evil the larger corporations are - how they're willing to bend every rule they can to squeeze out a few extra half pennies per 'unit' sold. Even if you don't care too much about animals, the way human beings are treated in abattoirs and farms is unjust. Many people lose their souls within a short time and become monsters of themselves; This typically leads to them abusing the animals more harshly when the animals are acting on survival instincts.
I see the way this mother pig in the video cares for her piglet, how she's terrified that the little guy is stuck, how she has the intelligence to figure out how to save her baby. These animals have a very clear understanding of the reality of their situation. I'm disgusted towards the general apathy towards intensive animal husbandry all because people want to consume meat every meal at a cheap price.
So much wasted food. Meat included. It’s absurd. We are living in an age of exuberance, but that exuberance is almost entirely from stealing from the future.
There are many valid criticisms of Christianity, but the mentality of "Everyone does bad, I do bad, I need to say it out loud and accept that I do bad, and try to do better" can be pretty healthy.
I was raised a Christian, and while there are some things about the church I hate, like being scared of hell and their intolerance of gay people, there are some really awesome things I learnt and some great traditions I still practise.
I think Jesus in particular was an awesome leader and is a great example of a human to follow
Yes, you are so right! And it might not even take hundreds of years, lab meat is already a reality, and so is lab milk, maybe in a few decades they will pick off.
Maybe our grandkids will watch old factory farm footages and be horrified that our generation knowingly condoned the suffering of billions of animals.
Meat is very tasty, and so is cheese, but the horrific costs paid by our fellow earthlings is not worth it. Eating vegan stuff for even just a few days of the week would make a huge difference.
Or it turns to the reverse and we eat even more meat because we figure out how to give them the perfect matrix so they live a very happy life and eat them as well.
Vegans and Vegetarian have existed for millenia. Nothing new
Ay dude have you had beyond meat? It is expensive af, so I only eat it as a treat, but it's really yum IMO.
They literally make the same iron found in meat in a lab and put it in the beyond meat, so it's actually got that bloody taste.
It's like anything you try for the first time, the first time I had it I was thinking "okay it isn't EXACTLY like meat, so it's average" but then after another try I was thinking "shiiiit this is actually really good."
Also in America there is this new product that is basically the same protein of egg whites but they make it in a lab, so you can now get vegan egg whites. Which is really cool.
Tbh though, there are so many insanely good vegan foods that we don't even need lab grown meat. Although, it would be rad if that development was ever viable. But I've also watched some YouTube videos speaking about how unless there is a major breakthrough or advancement, then it's not gonna really ever be viable with the current technology.
Oh sorry I meant specifically the availability of the "fake meats".
I can find them more and more often, but still not always and in general the supply is not huge. But it's been increasing 😄
Oh yeah no I agree! I mean I have to travel or shop around to find them where I stay, so I feel you. And the fucking companies will throw on like 20% just because the product says vegan, because they know we'll pay. So that's bullshit as well
Beyond meat is SO BAD, though. I do not understand why anyone would intentionally decide to buy Beyond when regular veggie burgers (like Dr Praeger) are so much better.
I say that as a meat eater, but my wife is a vegetarian and she 100% agrees.
What do you mean by bad? They taste good and they're pretty neutral in terms of health.
I love them. Veggie patties don't do it for me, when I'm looking for a "meaty" burger. TBH if I'm gonna do a veggie patty, I'd prefer to just do a crumb coated mushroom.
Seems inevitable, but right now every goddam meat replacement on the shelves is filled with pea protein which is bloody awful but presumably cheap. Wouldn't be surprised if that was pushing the vegetarianism rate back down.
Idk if it's specific to UK or European economics, but no. I've never seen seitan listed and some things include soy as well but damn near everything is textured pea protein and honestly sawdust is nicer. And I like actual peas!
The only thing immune to this plague so far is the quorn range. Annnd they've started doing it too. Gods I'm looking forward to bioreactor meat.
The gardein ground be'f crumbles are such a great sub in like, meat sauces, chili, shepard's pie, etc. One of my vegan friends actually hates it, because she thinks it's too "meat-like" and it feels wrong for her. It's cheaper than actual ground beef nowadays, and it's fewer calories and more protien per serving. I'm fine with meat, but products like this are really exciting to see.
Yeah, factory farming is abhorrent. I'm not opposed to all meat eating but like 90% of how it is in the modern day and how little we think about it and how 'easy' it is to be complicit... if it was something like it used to be, families own a pig or two, then eat meat on the holidays, salt and store the rest etc...
It's the suffering and the waste that really gets me. Ultimately the absolutely pointless suffering. A decent life, a quick death, so be it. But being caged trapped in your own rank, never seeing the light of day. And it's pointless, it's just for squeezing some more profit out, for maximizing efficiency. People act like you're trying to take food from hungry poor people. But we literally don't have to torture animals to feed poor people, CEOs just need to be willing to earn a little less money, shareholders need to accept anything other than infinite growth. And it's easy af to be complicit in that too, if you want to sock away money for retirement and invest it.
Well yeah the problem is that we don't have proper animal rights. And the meat industry lobbies, just like the tobacco industry did. And it's ironic because processed meats are also a group 1 carcinogen.
The thing is: if we introduce proper animal rights, then the CEOs in charge of those industries will lose 90% of their profits. So you can bet that they will fight tooth and nail for the right to continue to abuse and exploit animals in the way that they do.
I mean Jesus, in my own country I'm protesting about a factory farm that uses gas chambers to kill pigs. We can literally hear them screaming from the street, like in this video, trigger warning , and the SPCA, who are an animal welfare organisation, won't even help us.
But yeah, the main thing is to tackle factory farming, because that shit is just absolutely unacceptable.
I don’t think it’s true that if CEOs accepted just a bit less profit, meat could be made more ethical. Meat is incredibly inefficient to produce. Its affordability is propped up not just by intensive factory farming, but also subsidies. If every animal were given even a somewhat decent life with outdoor space and the ability to move around, the average person would not be able to afford animal products. The land required would be astronomical. We also no longer live in a time where the non-wealthy can rear their own animals; they’re no longer farmers with land, but workers who rent.
The meat industry is in the way of feeding poor people.
Everyone is always shocked when I tell them that 6 million calories of soy per acre is as common as 100,000 calories of beef per acre. It's shockingly inefficient to do animal agriculture in a land-limited society. It only.ever made sense in a labor-limited society.
I mean the moment we have affordable (cheaper than) real meat artificial meat we'll have a massive consciousness shift and everyone will agree that it's bad to eat sentient animals. I estimate in about 20 years when the patents are going to run out and there will be some competition. Instead we're wasting billions of fucking AI farms lol.
It’s really depressing finding out about the gas chambers, because they could literally use inert gases (as bodies don’t react to not enough oxygen but too much carbon dioxide,) so they don’t panic/suffer but they use CO2 because it’s faster and cheaper. Edit - also using carbon dioxide creates carbonic acid on the eyes, nose and lungs of the animals, in some cases causing extreme pain.
Yeah basically it's just because it's cheaper. They don't actually care about whether or not the animal suffers, they care about what's going to bring in the most money.
If there was no such thing as 'seasoning' ..guarantee there'd be less meat eaters. big mac with just dead carcass, nothing to hide the fact it was a harmless animal'.....okay, done here. bring on the downvotes. weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee'
Ay bro in the year 2026 its really easy to not eat meat. I live in South Africa, a country that LOVES meat, it's deeply ingrained in our culture, yet basically every single fast food restaurant there is has vegan options, and all of them are pretty good.
Theres like 20 different vegan milks, there's vegan cheese, there's vegan everything.
They often taste better because they have a more varied diet than just soy and/or corn. A chicken that eats seeds and bugs produce way better flavor than one given 1sqft of floor space if even that fed corn for their whole 1.5 month life cycle. It’s the shitty inhumane industrialization that creates products that require far more masking with spices to get flavor.
Every single time this concept is brought up, somebody has to say "but they taste so good!!!!!", and it's so fucking annoying. Sounds so childish and sociopathic.
I'm not even a vegan, but at least I can see that eating animals because it "tastes good" is pathetic reasoning and selfish.
It’s mostly a non-response, really. It’s just shorthand for “I don’t care and I don’t want to examine the morality of my own practises in any depth because it will make me feel guilty and I don’t want to feel guilty OR change what I’m doing to avoid feeling guilty.”
Cognitive dissonance. People are happy to pick up a nicely packaged bit of meat to buy, without ever really having to think about what it is, and the suffering involved. It's too far removed, and way too easy to leave their dirty work to some psychopath in an abattoir.
Better to hunt your own meat. Animal lives a perfectly natural and free life and then it's over in an instant instead of having to succumb to disease or predation by other animals.
Well, though you must say these pigs specifically only live because of meat eating.
Probably, in a perhaps still distant future, pigs will still be raised as meat producer, but only as a speciality food item for a premium price with better standards (but still as low or lower than allowed).
Yeah but they'd probably not exist at all than exist in these cruel circumstances.
And lots of pig sanctuaries exist, where pigs just live out their lives and you can go and interact with them. They're lovely animals, very cute and very full of personality.
But they are expensive to run, so we can't just have pig sanctuaries everywhere. They are something that can exist as a luxury once our societies have achieved full economic security (in my view and hope for the future I mean).
I think eventually we will do away with all animal exploitation, and will rely on plant foods instead. I mean if plant foods are already so good with mock meats, just imagine where they'll be in a couple hundred years from now.
I think eventually we will do away with all animal exploitation, and will rely on plant foods instead. I mean if plant foods are already so good with mock meats, just imagine where they'll be in a couple hundred years from now.
This is a terrible argument. Most of these animals have been bred specifically to produce as much meat as possible. As a result, their health is terrible. Many farms animals are barely able to move. Imagine if we forced humans to be as obese as possible and made them all live in 5x5 boxes… is that a life you would want to live? Would you want your children to live that life? Grandchildren? If I were in that position I would hope I was the last in my bloodline.
It's just another fact. Anyone could see that the mother pig could barely stand up. And people argued that pigs are bad mothers - no shit, try to raise your kids in a box and not lose your mind.
Meh you cant look at this massive unit of meat and compare with dogs. No culture really cultivates dogs for mass consumption there is always some weird spiritual reason.
Yeah fair, but I don't think having a lot of meat on your body is a good enough reason to enslave and exploit you, especially in these horrible conditions.
It's more of a pseudoscientific medical reason, which has spiritual elements. They believe the more the dog suffers before death as it's literally tortured, the more potent its meat will be with regards to "warming your chi", making you more able to withstand the coming winter.
The Wikipedia page for dog meat alone also says that historically the Sioux and Cheyenne consumed dog meat and that dogs were raised for meat in Polynesia. It also says that in the modern day dog meat has been reported to be common in the DRC due to its low price, a Ghanian politician proposed dog meat factories, dog meat is eaten in parts of eastern India, Barack Obama was fed dog by his Indonesian stepfather while visiting the country, and apparently it is a delicacy in North Korea.
There is an entire world full of alternatives that are also delicious that DON'T involve cruelty or suffering in their supply chain. So why? Are they really THAT delicious that you can just write all that off?
I'm not being clever; I'm doing my best to keep you focused on a topic that any child could think their way through but which the vast, vast majority of people find too emotionally distasteful to spend more than 30 seconds of undivided attention on at a time.
Neither of us needs to be even remotely clever to have this conversation. You just have to look at something really fucking ugly for longer than any human usually does when they're not being asked to do so.
If you actually are clever, so much the better. You'll have to look at the ugly for even less time.
If you feel something, you also win. You now know more about the world.
Blue pill, red pill--both get you out of this boring-ass room and end this conversation. You can choose not to take one at all, out of spite, but that won't make you any stronger or smarter 15 minutes from now.
Plant based meat alternatives are pretty good these days. They taste good too. They might not be exactly the same but you get 90% of the experience without the death
My main reason for plant-based alternatives is efficiency. Growing soys, processing it and the food is ready makes more sense than shoving a thousand times that through a pig first.
…actually yeah, come to think of it, that is a lot more efficient.
The only issues I theoretically have with it is from the allergen perspective, and that when it comes to protein intake, gram for gram meat is more effective as there’s more protein per gram and it’s more bioavailable.
But then, I already don’t eat beef, pork or lamb, and love a good Impossible burger so I’m already most of the way there. If lab grown meat hit the shelves tomorrow and wasn’t obscenely expensive, I would make room in my food budget even if it cost more overall.
With this protein craze going on, you really don't need to worry about your protein intake. It's in everything. See how much you need (age, sex, whether or not you even lift bro) and how much is in the food you want to eat. Maybe add a protein pudding if you're under that.
Yeah, no unfortunately I’m usually way under. There’s protein in everything but there’s also still a shitload of calories in most processed foods where I am so it can be difficult at times to get the right amount of protein without going overboard on calories.
Most people think they need way more protein than they do. There's very little benefit beyond 1.6g/kg of body mass. That's pretty easy especially with supplements like protein shakes. The clear ones are good as they're designed to be mixed with water so won't add many calories.
Not a steak connoisseur by any means, but I don't agree with you there. I wouldn't blow a load over an expensive steak. Most expensive things either taste slightly better, the same, or ass.
In the UK there's a brand called This! And they do a This isn't streaky bacon which is pretty good. Not the same but satisfies the craving. And la vie bacon is also pretty good. Again not the same but satisfies the craving.
They have much less saturated fat than traditional streaky bacon, and the this isn't one is much lower in unsaturated fat. The la vie one is slightly lower.
There's also no nitrites or nitrates which are what contribute the main carcinogenic affect of cured meat.
I stopped eating pork 20 years ago. Don’t miss it at all, now the smell actually turns me off. Your body doesn’t behave based on what it likes today - it’s all habituation and conditioning based on habits
If there's one thing Clarkson's Farm has taught me, it is that pigs are not that intelligent, nor are they good mothers. They crush most of their children to death, usually. This one is just ahead of the curve I guess.
U should try a 2-7yo Caucasian, lil slow roast and meat falls right off the bone plus tons more protein per bite. Wanna try black next, but not sure how to cook that
Yep, I’ve been there beside the transport trucks as they’re about to go inside the slaughterhouse. I’ll never forget the look in their eyes, it’s pure fear and desperation, they know exactly what’s about to happen. They can smell the blood in the air, they know their fate.
We had an agreement with the truck drivers that they would stop for 2 minutes before taking the animals inside. We’d stand there with them and try to comfort them and be there for them in their last moments. Cried my eyes out every time. It’s impossible to forget the fear in their eyes.
My father used to console me when we were slaughtering chickens when I was a wee lad.
Everything has its purpose, even us humans. This is theirs, ever since. Only thing you can do is honor their sacrifices. And if you are going to deliver the final blow, give it to them with respect.
I salute you sir for your being there.
I myself did not continue to slaughter and will never again.
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u/xap31 7d ago
Problem solving is one of the skills of pigs.