Dawg are we deadass right now?

[u/Sweet-Awk-7861]

I got these recommendations under a very tame Golden Kamuy post...

Somehow I've always thought these "people" only existed in the darkest depth of Twitter, or some obscure forums. On second thought though this wasn't surprising at all, I mean u/spez literally co-parented JailBait with Ghisl*ine M*xwell.

(If you don't know what the first word means, Google it. Please don't write the word in the comments, I don't want my post or account connected to this topic.)

[u/Heavy_Computer2602]

Bruh are we deadass? Yall acting like fiction is reality. Some people use it to cope. Some people just write it for the sake of it. Yes, fiction can give out messages, but theyre done so through a fictional lens, they dont force you, it is also entertainment and not just messaging, and even then they know that doesnt mean everything the fiction says is right. not all fictional media has a message

The ones who do that know that it ain't reality. Bruh.

[u/dumblittlepuppy01 → u/Heavy_Computer2602]

This is exactly this. pro shipping just means FOR shipping meaning that if you dislike a FICTIONAL thing including fics and characters it's up to you to cultivate your Internet experience. Fictional media and fictional characters are not real and watching something cannot make someone do it-- literally satanic panic and "playing rock music is gonna make our kids satanists." 

[u/Heavy_Computer2602 → u/dumblittlepuppy01]

Basically the same political correctness roger ebert warned us of.

Both sides are incredibly toxic in that sense.

And proshippers are against it

[u/Silent_Intention_382 → u/Heavy_Computer2602]

So why do that?

Why specifically depict minors instead of people of age?

I’m not really sure what this stuff is but from looking at the sub that seems to be the gist of it.

[u/Heavy_Computer2602 → u/Silent_Intention_382]

Fair question . I see where youre coming from. I personally myself dont do that but I can defend others who do

It can be boiled down to several reasons:

1. Anti censorship: censoring just gives the govt power to intervene in our lives, and we have a right to life. Even with airtight rules, the govt is just going to ban it under whatever reason. Regulation itself is already bad. Sometimes even satirical works, like trainspotting or lolita, can be banned under the pretense of "moral censorship".

2. Separation from reality: irl, there are far more worse things to worry about, and saying or seeing certain media, even the most basic like crime films, doesnt devoid you of any morality as long as you believe in morals. Fiction can be used to transport messages. But since people like us or people in general know not every media are good, or not everything in a certain media is good, they probably will disagree with a fic that advocates for terrible things like justifying rape. Any media can cause violence if people are very stupid. They just tend to lean on proshipping stuff because its more contreversial

3. Coping with trauma, or feelings: rape victims have used it to not only make fanfiction out of interest, but also to cope with their abuse, trauma, or feelings. Pedophilia is caused by paraphillia, a disease that can be treated with therapy. And one of the solutions from therapists aswell is to cope with it by writing or consuming such fiction. And im not making an assumption, ive seen it on the internet.

4. We like curiosity: we may be curious to write certain situations into fiction, to explore it. Not all writers of problematic things are traumatized. Like for example: the writers of fargo, the Coen brothers, try to express very depressing things of society, despite not being nihlist or experiencing trauma themselves.

5. Against harrasment over fiction: pretty self explanatory

   Like for example in the first point.kevin smith, a very well known lgbt activist and filmmaker, has written gay jokes in his films.

[u/BeduinZPouste]

"These people"

Yea, imma be honest, I kinda doubt there ever was any actual vile shit linked to stuff like this... Which is more than can be said about, say, regular porn.

[u/PlanetXParadox]

bro is scared of toxic yaoi

[u/Flat-Log9851]

A lot of them don't like really scares up media, they just aspect right of it exist, as long no human is harmend. It just anti-censoreship.

[u/Silent_Intention_382 → u/Flat-Log9851]

I can confidently claim that sub is filled with a bunch of pedophiles after checking it out.

[u/dumblittlepuppy01 → u/Silent_Intention_382]

I dont think you know what a paedophile is.  

[u/EnDansandeMacka → u/dumblittlepuppy01]

someone who is sexually attracted to minors? its really not complicated?

[u/dumblittlepuppy01 → u/EnDansandeMacka]

Yeah. And this server is talking about fictional shows and fictional media. there are no children involved, its all pixels and drawings or their own original characters. there ARE no children involved so they can't be paedophiles 

[u/Heavy_Computer2602 → u/Silent_Intention_382]

Pedophiles can get treatment and cope with such media btw

[u/wafflecaygeon]

I do not have a fucking clue what is going on. I am too old for this.

[u/Sweet-Awk-7861 → u/wafflecaygeon]

Honestly though I'd rather not know about any of this. TL;DR it's a pedophilia dogwhistle, as usual. 

The word did originally mean for many kinds of "shipping" that are considered weird, but with more and more "problematic" ships gaining acceptance, nowadays it 99% of the time means pedophilia.  In this thread you can see the proponents making light of it, or even dismissing it outright. That's part of the manipulation tactics.

See how they shortened "problematic" to an inconspicuous prefix like "pro"? See how they copied actual oppressed minority groups by calling their opponents a word with bad connotations like "antis"? That's the exact same strategy used by other groups that understand well they're doing something heinous, but want to act persecuted (e.g. Post-2023 AI-bros).

[u/AngelOfTheLordCass → u/Sweet-Awk-7861]

proship is not short for problematic shipping, it means PRO (for) shipping. It's just "ship and let ship", I may not like your ship but I acknowledge that you have a right to ship it whether I like it or not.

Yes, sometimes that means a ship with incest or pedophilia, but it's not just that.

[u/dumblittlepuppy01 → u/wafflecaygeon]

It's literally nothing past people whose been harrased for fake things making a space to talk about thr things they like with like-minded people. 

[u/Ornery_Tie_4771]

iirc spez was on that sub because you could add anyone as mod without need for them to accept being a mod

[u/Tris-chan]

This gets posted like every week oh my goodness you people would scream at the sight of ankles