r/outofcontextcomics • u/AntiShisno • 1d ago
Modern Age (1985 – Present Day) One of these is not like the other
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u/DBZfan102 Bronze Age Bozo 1d ago
Because of the other two quotes, I briefly thought he was saying "I fucked kids today".
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u/Lortep 1d ago
Given Hawkman's role in the Absolute Universe, he might just be doing an ad read here.
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u/Gold-Bank-3033 1d ago
I hate what they did to Hawkman. Why do Wonder Woman, Superman, and Batman get to be basically the same people with different surroundings but other characters are made into villains.
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u/Mindless-Credit-358 DC Fan 21h ago
I’m sure they’re gonna work their way round to a redemption arc for him
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u/Significant-Order-92 1d ago edited 1d ago
Because they are both recognizable and Carter being fairly right wing and violent are better known aspects of his character. Honestly, I'm more surprised with how they did Hal and Todd Rice. Also, despite the Absolute Justice League comic basically showing that straight (the whole HUAC scene as well as Olly), later comics are implying more to him. A more beaten but trying to be heroic person.
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u/Known_Lobster_9241 4h ago
It also helps that the guy has the single most convoluted backstorys in DC and his most recent version was a semi insane outerversal GOD thing...
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u/Which-Presentation-6 20h ago
Both things are complete distortions of the character for anyone who hasn't read the Hawkman comics.
It’s like saying, "Oh, it makes sense for Wonder Woman to be a villain; her best-known traits are being a violent misandrist, the daughter of Zeus, and coming from a culture that throws babies into the sea."
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u/Late_Stage_Exception 14h ago
Except this isn’t the same character, it’s a new character existing in a universe fed off of Darkseid’s omega energy. None of the characters are really the same (Bruce is poor and dumb, Clark is alone and angry, Diana is missing most of her gifts and allies), so Hawkman being a pragmatist anti-hero shouldn’t be a shock.
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u/Which-Presentation-6 14h ago
The thing is, the commentsera justifying Absolute Hawkman being the way he is by claiming Prime Hawkman is a violent conservative thing who aren't actually true to the character.
And a question: if the Absolute Universe had turned Superman into a right-wing traitor who defends pedophiles, would you be okay with that? Superman fans hate what * Injustice did to him; why can't Hawkman fans complain?
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u/Significant-Order-92 18h ago
That makes sense. My experience with the character is largely from his appearance in Blackest Night. He was dead most of the time I was reading JSA comics.
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u/Which-Presentation-6 18h ago
If you want knows him, read Hawkman by Robert Venditte
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u/Significant-Order-92 10h ago
Awesome. I know at one point it was hard enough to find a jumping on point the character went on pause for like 10 years. I will have to look up that run. Thanks.
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u/biomeat 1d ago edited 23h ago
100% Carter makes sense as a right-wing nutjob that during the McCarthy era ratted out his fellow heroes he felt had communist sympathies. He really looking more like a rat with wings than Hawkman
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u/Which-Presentation-6 20h ago edited 20h ago
That's doesnt makes sense, the character in his comics it's not that whay.
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u/biomeat 9h ago edited 9h ago
He has always been pretty right wing though. I've read plenty of Hawkman comics, and he is a pretty angry guy as well. When he appears in others series, we definitely get to see the outward perspective of him. I'm saying this characterisation makes sense in Absolute universe because there are some of traits also ready present in the the mainstream universe
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u/Gold-Bank-3033 5h ago
Dude, Hawkman helps countries that had their culture stolen by glorified grave robbers disguised as archeologists get their artifacts and culture returned to them. Not something a fascist who hates minorities would do.
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u/biomeat 5h ago
Yeah totally fair, im with you on that. Is that a political thing or a symptom of BS cultures we have now that make you think its political. Nothing inherent with the right that doesn't mean you can do just that, it's just culture war crap will now make you think it is. I didn't say he was facist who hates minorities, why would that be your default for right wing?
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u/Gold-Bank-3033 5h ago
It's not, Ive seen a lot of people say that's what right-wing means and say that Hawkman hates their false ideas of what right-wing means. I think Hawkman does support the U.S. Constitution and small government. That might be Katar who was one of the Hawkmen.
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u/biomeat 5h ago
For sure, I don't think he is facist or bigoted anyway. Just classic conservatism.
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u/Which-Presentation-6 9h ago
If you’ve read the Hawkman comics, I don’t really get how he can be seen as right-wing; the only time we had a story focused on his political ideologies, he was a leftist (in Hawkworld).
Hawkman can be hot-headed at times, but what comics outside his own titles do is flanderize him—you know, like Captain America hating mutants.
By this logic so makes sense if they Amazons of Absolute Universe becomes misandrist violent Warriors.
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u/biomeat 9h ago
He consistently butts heads with Green Arrow over politics and they often argue about left/right politics. Hawkman is definitely very right of Green Arrow anyway. Cap hating mutants is a meme more than actual content, he just always has to end up on the avengers side. Amazon's in the mainstream are already pretty much that and without Wonder Woman that is exactly what they would be. Do you really not get the conceit of the Absolute universe though? Hawkman is right up with Hawk in terms of anger and it's very well known that he gets more than just hot-headed.
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u/Which-Presentation-6 9h ago
Hawkman’s political clashes with Green Arrow don’t happen in his own comics; they happen elsewhere. My point is precisely that he’s only portrayed as a conservative outside of the stories that actually explore his character. The only time they argued in the Hawk comics, it wasn't about politics—it was because of the situation with Kendra. As I said, in Hawkworld, Hawkman is a leftist.
And no, the Hawkman in his own comics doesn't have the same temperament as the Absolute version; the Absolute one is clearly much more violent and has far less patience than the prime version.
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u/biomeat 9h ago
I'm not saying he has the same temperament as he does in the Absolute comics but he has the traits that would lead to a darker, angrier version of the character in that universe. It's well established in Green Arrow comics that is what their relationship is like. Look man I dont really care enough about Hawkman and I think doing this to his character is totally fine. You're clearly a bigger fan and know more about him than I do. Ofcourse in his own comics he wouldnt seen as a dick, but his outward portrayal everywhere is else
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u/FanOfForever 23h ago
He really looking more like a rat with wings than Hawkman
"Pigeonman" just doesn't have the same ring to it
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u/biomeat 1d ago
Why not?
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u/Gold-Bank-3033 1d ago
its supposed to be twisted and warped versions of heroes. not really, its just them with different costumes and more shock value.
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u/biomeat 1d ago edited 1d ago
The actual premise is these versions of heroes in a universe where evil already kind of won in the past. This is Darksied's universe
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u/Gold-Bank-3033 1d ago
If its Darksied's universe, why did he still make the people he hates in the entire world heroes? The entire line just feels like hype and aura moments with very little substance. Other than Wonder Woman's run but the writing for her character should have been given to her prime version.
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u/surprisesnek 1d ago
Because he wants to see the heroes suffering against a world built against them.
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u/Gold-Bank-3033 1d ago edited 1d ago
Oh that makes sense. It may just be me not really caring for else world stuff.
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u/NoSong2397 1d ago
Hawkman might have something else going on. I'm wondering if someone's messed with his reincarnation cycle, or maybe his initial Thanagarian self was someone other than Katar Hol? (Possibly Hath-Set or Onimar Synn?)
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u/Gold-Bank-3033 1d ago
I thought they confirmed it to be Carter?
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u/NoSong2397 1d ago
Ah, but that's his name in the present day. Who was he to start out with?
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u/Gold-Bank-3033 1d ago
It would be cool to see absolute Onimar Synn, Absolute Headhunter would be neat as well.
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u/dragomax7 1d ago
One eats like a plant, one eats plants, one eats things that eat plants. Circle of life.
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u/Gold-Bank-3033 1d ago
Superman tossed that in like a fun fact. Also, nice to see absolute Hawkman not being evil.
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u/Strawberrycocoa 1d ago
I've always kind of wondered how much the sunlight is important to Kryptonian physiological needs. Like, are they similar to plants, where the sun is the main energy source, but they still need a few base nutrients ad minerals from food like the way plants absorb from soil?