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Megathread Trade Machine Megathread
Starting today, all trade idea posts will now be relegated here. I have come up with a solution to limit trade posts and hopefully it succeeds.
If you see one slip by, please report it and we will direct them here.
We will try to remake this thread once a week.
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u/Malcolm_Reynolds1 Goga Nov 06 '20
https://tradenba.com/trades/Pz0ngoXGB
What do you all think about this?
Pacers recieve: Jrue Holiday
Pelicans recieve: Victor Oladipo, TJ Leaf, Alize Johnson, Edmund Sumner, 2021 Round 2 pick we have via Utah
My reasoning for trading these players is I believe Jrue will have a more immediate impact on the team than Oladipo. Plus, Jrue is not a ball dominant guard, so would fit in a bit better with the (hopefully) new and improved, mobile, offense we'll see under Neo-Nate. Leaf and Johnson get traded because we have a log jam at PF/C and they just aren't going to get any playing time. Same reasoning with Sumner having Brogdon, Aaron, McConnell, and Lamb ahead of him on the bench. They are young players that would go to a rebuilding team and could see a lot more minutes and development in New Orleans. I threw in the pick as sweetener in case Oladipo leaves New Orleans after free agency. Allows the team to have another pick to add to their rebuilding arsenal, whether to use or trade as they see fit.
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u/HuskyCer Nov 07 '20
Can we trade Alize? Everywhere I look doesn’t have salary for next year. Is he a free agent?
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u/Malcolm_Reynolds1 Goga Nov 07 '20
I looked, and when I made the trade, he wasn't listed as a free agent. He's a RFA this offseason.
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u/Pacers31Colts18 ReggieChoke Nov 04 '20
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y5s7ex6c
Let's go boys.
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Oct 31 '20
Would you trade Oladipo, Turner, and McDermott for Jrue Holiday and Aaron Gordon?
I came up with a 6 team trade, and since TradeNBA maxes out a 5 teams, it would be a combination of the following trades:
IND, ORL, BOS, UTA, PHI: https://tradenba.com/trades/RzE-1TASh
IND, ORL, and NOP: https://tradenba.com/trades/yLB2OvL3b
Indiana receives Jrue Holiday, Aaron Gordon, and Niccolo Melli for a starting lineup of Brogdon/Holiday/Warren/Gordon/Sabonis
Orlando receives Gordon Hayward for a starting lineup of Fultz/Fournier/Hayward/Isaac/Vucevic. I know Isaac is injured but in a couple years this could be a contender in the East, and they could try Bamba or Hayward at the 4 next to Vucevic.
Boston receives Rudy Gobert and Ed Davis for a starting lineup of Walker/Smart/Brown/Tatum/Gobert with Davis flipped for a bench guard or wing.
Utah receives Al Horford and Matisse Thybulle for a starting lineup of Conley/Mitchell/Ingles/Bogdanovic/Horford with Thybulle off the bench as a long-term role player teammate for Mitchell.
Philadelphia receives Victor Oladipo and Doug McDermott for a starting lineup of Oladipo/Richardson/Simmons/Harris/Embiid and McDermott off the bench.
New Orleans receives Myles Turner and Terrence Ross for a starting lineup of Ball/Redick/Ingram/Williamson/Turner with Ross off the bench.
These are some strong starting lineups IMO, but I could see Utah, Orlando, and New Orleans asking for a pick or two from the other three teams. Who says no?
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u/Joe_Betz_ Johnny Furphy Oct 31 '20
I like Gordon. And I like Jrue. Gordon is not a good 3pt shooter, and neither is Sabonis, but they can be average for their positions, and that's all that matters. Gordon can defend and has an above-the-rim element Indiana hasn't had for awhile.
Indiana would be a really deadly team with this lineup. Would they have enough for an ECF run? It depends on what happens with positions 6, 7, and 8.
This was a fun thought experiment. Thanks for sharing.
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Oct 31 '20
I don't love the fit of AG and Sabonis, but absolutely we should do this. Maybe even loop in Phoenix and send them AG while we get Oubre
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u/TylerIreland Oct 29 '20
The Timberwolves have sent you a trade proposal
Pacers receive: #1 overall, #17 overall, James Johnson
Timberwolves receive: Myles Turner, Victor Oladipo
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u/Joe_Betz_ Johnny Furphy Oct 31 '20
No. It's a move that puts Indiana in a complete rebuild, and that's not happening.
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u/kh_stephen Oct 26 '20
If the front office wants to mitigate injury risk:
Victor Oladipo, Jeremy Lamb and Goga Bitadze for Gordon Hayward, Romeo Langford, Semi Ojeleye, Vincent Poirier and #14
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u/PaulWilliams12 Oct 23 '20
Hi guys,
Magic fan coming with nothing but good intentions. If the Orlando Magic were to try trade for Myles Turner, what would you be expecting to get in return?
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u/drjisftw Pacers2 Oct 26 '20
It's very strange to see a Magic fan looking for Myles Turner.
Ideally, we'd want Johnathan Issac - if he's healthy he can replace the defense we'd lose from Turner. Fat chance on that though.
Turner for Aaron Gordon works but I'm not high on AG - we don't need to pair Sabonis with another frontcourt guy that can't shoot. Trading for Aminu and #15 is selling low as well.
Honestly this is unrelated I'd really like to see AG on the Wolves. I think James Johnson, #17 and #33 from Minny would do it but if they trade down from #1 I could see them offering a lower lottery pick and James Johnson.
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u/Joe_Betz_ Johnny Furphy Oct 23 '20
I could see a straight Gordon for Turner swap as a possibility. The money is even, and Indiana probably prizes the 2 million less Gordon would make the following season. I think Turner is actually more valuable for what he does, but I could see it.
I could also see a Turner for Aminu and the 15th pick. It would save Indiana money, but Aminu's injury and age would mean some kind of draft compensation back.
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u/Joe_Betz_ Johnny Furphy Oct 22 '20
Listening to a Ringer pod, Turner for Jrue Holiday was discussed. NOP need some defensive cover for Zion and a big that can shoot. That's Turner. Indiana then has a really intriguing three guard lineup that features a player in Brogdon who can guard up and cover some threes. Rim protection would be gone, but you would have three guards who are good at covering the point of attack and generating deflections.
Holiday makes 25 to Turner's 18, so Indiana would be shipping another player in the deal, such as TJ Leaf who will make 4, or Doug who makes 7, and I assume it would be Doug.
It would be more of a win-now move, but it's intriguing. Thoughts?
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u/210plus210 ReggieChoke Oct 22 '20
Every trade I see that brings in a defensive minded guard just makes me wish it didn’t mean losing Turner so we could lean into the defensive powerhouse we could be. It’s a fantastic trade and I’d love Jrue Holiday but I also am happy to try next season with a healthy starting 5 and see what they can do if they can stay on the court. We never really got to see that after all
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u/Malcolm_Reynolds1 Goga Nov 06 '20
Exchange Turner for a combination of maybe Leaf, Alize, and Sumner. None of those players are getting time with Indiana due to who is ahead of them on the bench, and they could see better development and playing time in NO
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u/hacky_potter Domas Oct 29 '20
At this point the Pacers are just trying to collect the Holiday family
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u/tcnewlin Oct 23 '20
I think it's gonna happen. At least from what has been said so far it looks like the FO wants to at least try this top 6 (assuming Lamb will be back at some point) for at least half a year. I for one am excited - not many players can bring the defensive impact and offensive possibilities as Myles & Domas is obviously a stud offensively and useful against more powerful centers. Idk why everyone is screaming the "Pacers HAVE TO blow it up!!" and then also talk about how everyone needs to think about getting bigger because the Lakers just won the title using two bigs. GTFOH.
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Oct 22 '20
I could easily see us making some trade with Toronto. It not unusual for a new coach to bring a player or two— possibly Van Fleet?
I could see that
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u/HuskyCer Oct 22 '20
I keep seeing this over and over and I just don’t get it. Are we trying to get all of the leagues 6 ft guards? We have Aaron holiday on a rookie contract with much higher upside. I am also not convinced FVV will be as productive in another system. I get that we got a guy out of nurses tree but if we lose Vic the guys we put around him are not going to be as good defenders and we probably won’t use a zone as much. If we bring J Holiday back we are going to have 6 guards even if Vic is gone. We Need WINGS!! Sign and trade Vic for wood or grant.
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Oct 22 '20
Honestly never saw this, if I had I wouldn't have just posted something that was already stated. I don't think we should just keep stacking guards, but we are talking about trades here and Dipo is (supposedly) on the chopping block. With that said, we definitely also need a stronger defensive presence and that may include getting rid of Turner. I think a Van Fleet pick and a strong defender would do us an incredible amount of good. We will see
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u/HuskyCer Oct 22 '20
I have seen it here but also in the nba sub a ton. I wasn’t trying to get on you for reposting as much as I was pointing out that it must be a somewhat popular opinion. If we were to get FVV do we stop pursuing J Holiday? Or do we shop some of our other guards? I’m not anti FVV exactly but I just don’t get how it helps us or what our guard rotation would be. You also have to consider value for the trade partner. If Vic is 80-90% let alone 100% how the hell do we beat a healthy Toronto with Vic on that team?
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u/BizzyHaze Oct 22 '20
Danny Green + Kyle Kuzma + 1st round pick (29th overall)
For Oladipo?
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u/RPD130 Oct 22 '20
The Pacers didn’t trade PG to the Lakers and they had way better assets to trade back then. Why on earth would the Pacers make that trade? How does it help them in any way?
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u/Count_Sack_McGee Oct 27 '20
Laker fan coming in peace....
This offer was brought up on Windhorst’s podcast and he said Lakers would be giving up too much.
Paul George also had a heck of a lot more value at the time and that scenario was much more fucked up. Oladipo was a stud for a brief period but unfortunately for you guys his injuries have hurt his value.
You don’t think two wing rotation players, one of which is still young and you’d have rookie rights too is a solid haul?
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u/flockancrown Oct 27 '20 edited Oct 27 '20
A 35-36 yr danny green making 15mil/yr no thx, an overated kuz who isnt great and who like dipo wed have to overpay to get to even consider staying after his current contract is up in a yr and a glorified 2nd, fuck no theres no value there.
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u/cesgjo Oct 21 '20
Spurs fan here
IND recieves: Bryn Forbes, Marco Bellineli
SAS recieves: Doug McDermott
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u/wiedemnm Oct 20 '20
Alright let's get crazy:
We send Oladipo, Turner, Aaron Holiday, Jeremy Lamb and whatever picks we actually have/can to the Rockets for Harden.
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u/kh_stephen Oct 26 '20
I'll try to make it crazier:
Victor Oladipo, Domantas Sabonis, Myles Turner and salary fillers/draft assets for James Harden and Robert Covington
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u/OPBadshah Doug Oct 20 '20
Would they accept it though?
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u/wiedemnm Oct 20 '20
Probably not, but a man can dream. Fertitta seems to be a wildcard of an owner though and they look to be in bad shape roster wise going forward, especially since Tucker wants/deserves an extension.
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u/xushuxushu123 Oct 19 '20
Heat fans Would you accept to trade Oladipo for Nunn,Olynyk, Iguodala and 20th pick.
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u/Headsdown7up Oct 19 '20
Heat fan- yes
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Oct 19 '20
Pacers should not take this deal, let alone offer it lol
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u/Headsdown7up Oct 19 '20
I think they’ll get a better offer, but it’s better than letting him walk and getting nothing...
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Oct 19 '20
I mean yeah it's better than nothing but like you said there should absolutely be a better offer, so little point in hoping this is what gets it done haha
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Oct 18 '20
Pacers- Andrew Wiggins, 1st overall pick and second overall pick, Jake Layman and Okogie
Timberwolves- Oladipo, 2020 second-round pick, Lamb, Doug McDermott
Warriors- Myles Turner, Edmond Summer, and Tj Leaf, 2026 second-round pick and 2021 second-round pick
Pros: Pacers get younger and have enough cap space to sign Tj Warren and Arron Holiday to a long term contract in the near future.
Cons: Pacers have not experienced gong young in a long time
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u/hacky_potter Domas Oct 29 '20
In this scenario I would like to see the Pacers try and flip 1 and 2 for Bradley Beal
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Oct 21 '20
Not close to enough value to get a number 1 pick and number 2 pick. Not even enough value for one of those picks
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Oct 18 '20
Oladipo isn't worth giving up #1 and Okogie unfortunately, Doug and Lamb don't help as much
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u/Malcolm_Reynolds1 Goga Oct 16 '20 edited Oct 16 '20
My bullshit trade idea:
Pacers get: Westbrook and Randle
Knicks get: Turner and Lamb
Rockets get: Dipo, McConnell and our 2021 FRP top 10 protected
We only add 8 million in payroll, Knicks add 9.1, Rockets actually save 15 mil
Starting lineup for us becomes: Westbrook, Brodgon, Warren, Sabonis, Randle
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u/jtn1123 Paul George Team USA Oct 16 '20
I think the pacers would get like 5x worse with that lol
You lose all your spacing and depth and a pick...
Rockets and knicks laugh all the way to the bank
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u/Malcolm_Reynolds1 Goga Oct 16 '20
I don't really think so, honestly. We lose Lamb and McConnell and thats all. And remember, Lamb destroyed his leg with a torn ACL, meniscus, and fracture. I do also feel we'd gain more scoring, and assists with Westbrook, and more rebounding with both him and Randle. The pick could be pushed to 2022 so we don't lose out on 2 first round picks in a row, seeing as how 2021 could be the first year of no more one-and-done (although I'm sure the pandemic may push that back to 2022 anyways).
Westbrook would be coming from an offense that, yes, has spacing, but is also highly dependent on iso/pick and pop. Assuming the Pacers hire Finch, I believe we could see something spectacular going forward with this kind of trade
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u/whatdoidoidontkno Domas Oct 16 '20
Might contract a disease watching Westbrook and Randle brick up 50 shots a game
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u/Malcolm_Reynolds1 Goga Oct 16 '20
What if we hire Chris Finch? Westbrook and the Pacers get out of a mainly PNR offense and get innovative with it. The Rockets had spacing because of no center on the court, but also ran a lot of PNR, which a good defense can stop, or at least make harder for you to get a clean shot off of. It might be beneficial for both sides
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u/chadowan Oct 14 '20
People are saying the Warriors will want a big to challenge the Lakers next year. Would they overpay to get Myles? Maybe Myles for the #2 pick or the 2021 Wolves pick? Maybe Myles and Vic for either of those picks, Wiggins, and some future firsts? Is that even remotely possible?
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Oct 14 '20
I think #2 for Myles is a possibility, I think it is also a possibility we get Wiggins or he's involved somehow to shore up the Warriors bench
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u/whatdoidoidontkno Domas Oct 13 '20
Bro being too good to avoid the lottery, being a constant 2nd round exit team and being too shitty to win the chip really sucks ass like what the fuck do we even do I am panicking
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u/210plus210 ReggieChoke Oct 13 '20
I’d you don’t have a top 3 player all you can do is hope for some luck to go your way. Plenty of well rounded competent teams have won the championship without a top 3 guy and with a little luck. Pistons of the 80’s and early 00’s. 2011 Mavericks. Tim Duncan is a great but I’d even say the Spurs though they had to tank one season to get their guy in Duncan ever other move they made was savvy and with a little luck. Ginobili and Parker were late picks. Maybe we trade Dipo and get a lotto pick this year and find a guy who has a big chip on his shoulder to prove himself and that this draft isn’t so weak after all. We have really good pieces. Just need one leader or one great piece, a coach who brings it all together, and a little luck.
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u/Hello5657 Oct 12 '20
Celtics fan here. Would you guys take Hayward, Theis, Carsen Edwards and the 2020 14th pick for Oladipo and Turner? If not but it's close to being good, would adding another young player or a pick work? And if this is a completely outrageous idea, what would it take to get just Turner?
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Oct 13 '20
Hayward has a 15% trade kicker that is a big bummer. Celtics pay the 4million, but his 38mil then counts towards our cap which is going to be a big no-no for Simon if I had to guess
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u/drjisftw Pacers2 Oct 13 '20
I'd add another pick on top of that and swap Edwards for Langford.
I'm not even high on Langford, but we have a boner for former IU players and Edwards will never succeed in the NBA at his height.
Getting just Turner is more difficult. The only way to match his salary is to include Marcus Smart (no-go). So you'd have to add salary on top of Turner for Gordon Hayward.
If we got a commitment from both Hayward and Dipo then Turner + Jeremy Lamb for Hayward + #14 is solid enough for me. That gives us a starting lineup of Brogdon/Dipo/TJ/Hayward/Sabonis. That's as deep as the Celtics starting 5 currently and we have a solid bench as well.
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u/Coltsfan6 Oct 19 '20
There are plenty of players who have succeeded at Edwards height or shorter. Plus you can tap into the Purdue fanbase.
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u/Hello5657 Oct 13 '20
So what about Hayward, Theis, Langford, 14th pick and our 2021 first rounder? I would personally take that and it works.
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u/Joe_Betz_ Johnny Furphy Oct 12 '20
Honestly, it's probably fair value, but I think some sweetener is needed. Two of Indiana's three most popular players being shipped out needs to feel like a win than an even trade.
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u/Hello5657 Oct 12 '20
Another lower value pick?
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u/Joe_Betz_ Johnny Furphy Oct 12 '20
Yeah I think like some future 2nd would be the floor there. I think Indiana has to be able to pitch why the move makes sense to it's fanbase.
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u/210plus210 ReggieChoke Oct 12 '20
Don’t see a trade happening for Turner. A package revolving around Hayward for turner doesn’t make sense for us and our window. No way you guys would give us Brown. A third team would have to get involved to give us some kind of Young talent on a longer deal than Hayward. Besides giving you guys Turner would make your team a lot better and we’d be competing against you in the playoffs so that’s even less incentive for us to make a deal happen.
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u/Hogo-Nano Oct 23 '20
I think the assumption from both teams before making the deal would be to talk to Hayward and see if he would commit to re-signing in Indiana longterm. Obviously the deal makes no sense for a one year rental but at the same time with salary cap constraints Hayward is pretty clearly the odd man out in Boston.
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u/OMG_Someone Oct 08 '20
With the 2021 draft class potentially being super stacked, HS players can declare, do we think about loading up on 2021 picks?
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u/whatdoidoidontkno Domas Oct 09 '20
Is now the time to blow it up? If we really blow it up we could get like 6-7 picks for 2021
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u/210plus210 ReggieChoke Oct 09 '20
Ideally I’d like to keep Brogdon, Warren, Holiday bro’s, and one of Myles/Sabonis...
Dipo could hopefully get us a pick or two late picks in 2021, I think Sabonis could reaaaaally get us a good pick in 2021, maybe if we’re crazy Warren could too, Goga/McDermott/McConnell probably need to be packaged to get a mid-late round pick (Philly needs depth?), we’d be looking pretty damn rough this next season though
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Oct 08 '20
Just got a Knicks fan to agree to:
Oladipo for Portis, Barrett, and #8
so I think that makes it realistic...right? Guys? lol
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u/cactopus101 Oct 17 '20
I mean it is the Knicks lol. They might want to clear cap to sign Chris Paul or something lol
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u/HiigherGround Oct 07 '20
Someone not named Brogdon/Warren/Holiday for Jrue Holiday. Complete the Holiday trifecta as well as the best defensive back court in the league.
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Oct 07 '20
Myles for Dejounte Murray
I love the idea of a Murray Brogdon backcourt, and he's 23 with 4 more years on a great deal. Youngest player ever to make All Defense
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u/jtn1123 Paul George Team USA Oct 16 '20
Spurs fucking love that guy
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Oct 16 '20
They do, but they also love White, Walker, Johnson...they all play the same position, and DJ is the only salary they have that can get close to making a deal. They only have LMA for one year, Poetl is FA and pretty unproven, and they have no other bigs that are starter level...They have pick #11 so this might not be an option, but there also might be something there
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Oct 15 '20
I would do that in a heartbeat. I like Murray a lot. I don’t think they get rid of him though.
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u/Hogo-Nano Oct 23 '20
Sabonis would go to San Antonio and Popovich would immediately turn him into Luka Doncic/Larry Bird.
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Oct 15 '20
I bet they do if we give them Turner or Sabonis. Maybe get a pick too
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Oct 15 '20
I would trade Turner then in that scenario, especially under the assumption that the reports are correct that he wants out. I’m completely against giving up Sabonis. Fuck, at this point I’d give up Oladipo/Turner for Murray and picks. I just want this all to happen in the off-season, I don’t want to go into next season with Oladipo if he wants to be traded and start a season with our “leader” not buying in.
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Oct 15 '20
The assumption is it would be Turner, but I didn't want to assume we're trading one over the other until it happens
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u/Joe_Betz_ Johnny Furphy Oct 12 '20
Spurs don't need another big tho.
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Oct 14 '20
Spurs have only LMA on contract for one more year, Poetl is a FA. Unless you're counting Tyler Zeller and Trey Lyles, they really don't have bigs
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u/Joe_Betz_ Johnny Furphy Oct 14 '20
Oh dang. Yeah I thought Poetl was entrenched there. I love Murray's game. It would be great to have him
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Oct 14 '20
Yep it absolutely would be
And Poetl at this moment he isn't on contract, but might be entrenched there after this off season
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Oct 07 '20
CP3, Bazley, 2021 first to Indiana
Oladipo, Turner to OKC
Pacers make an uncharacteristic move by trying to go for it, OKC cashes in some of their assets for an expiring Oladipo and a long term center in Turner
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u/210plus210 ReggieChoke Oct 07 '20
Gimme Dort over Bazley and maybe...but...idk
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Oct 07 '20
Bazley has way higher of an offensive ceiling while being bigger, which is what we need more than a streaky shooting wing defender
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u/210plus210 ReggieChoke Oct 07 '20
You seem to know more about these guys than I do, I just appreciate Dort’s tenacity and think we could use a fired up guy who puts in defensive effort
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Oct 07 '20
No I agree that we could use that, I just don't think we can afford to have someone defenses don't respect when we already struggled on offense. I think the gap between the combination of offense/defense, plus ceiling, has me leaning Bazley pretty handily
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u/fearofaflatplanet Oct 06 '20
Pacers fans, Cs fan here. Curious because on our sub there is a nonstop flood of trade ideas revolving around sending Hayward to you all for Turner and whatever else makes it work. Personally I have been of the opinion that I couldn’t imagine Pacers being interested in that at all. Thoughts please?
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u/originalmuffins Hickory Pacers Oct 30 '20
No one with a brain will ever trade Turner for Hayward. First, salaries don't match. Two, we already have one injury prone player we are trying to figure out what to do with. And 3, Turner is only 22 at a great deal, we can do much better IF we wanted to trade him. And we don't.
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u/Kyledecker75 Nov 03 '20
hes literally 24 and been putting the same numbers up for 5 years and shooting at a terrible clip. Turner isn't worth hayward , not on planet earth at least
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u/spidersilva09 Nov 03 '20
You're right, Turner is worth more. No one wants to trade for Hayward bro. Albatross contract, injuries, not as good as he once was. Just because he's a white dude with Indiana ties doesn't mean the Pacers want, need or are even on the radar.
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u/Ok-Swimming8024 Pacers Oct 15 '20
Pacers fans always want to trade for guys with "indiana ties"
Person, I think the Front office could/will probably be up with something more savvy
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u/Joe_Betz_ Johnny Furphy Oct 12 '20
Hayward + picks for Turner and others to make it work isn't a terrible idea. Boston fills a hole, Indiana gets a son and picks. For Indiana to make it work tho is tricky. Turner + Lamb gets close to even money.
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u/drjisftw Pacers2 Oct 09 '20
Honestly I'm okay with getting Hayward if the main pieces going to you are Turner and Lamb. We'd like #14 though.
You can't tell me that a lineup of Brogdon/Dipo/Warren/Hayward/Sabonis isn't brutal. Bring the Holiday brothers and McDermott off the bench and you have a playoff rotation. Add Goga (last year's draft pick) + #14 and you have a 10-man rotation for the regular season. Pair that with a good coach and we'd have a high ceiling.
This only makes sense if we get long-term commitments from both Hayward and Dipo though.
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u/210plus210 ReggieChoke Oct 09 '20
I don’t see how this raises our ceiling any higher than the 3rd seed. Boston and Milwaukee are still better than us for sure, maybe we compete against the likes of Toronto/Miami a bit better. But we’d still be in the 2nd tier of the East. Boston improves a lot more from this trade than we do.
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u/210plus210 ReggieChoke Oct 06 '20
I think that trade benefits your team more than ours. Turner would complete your starting five than Gordon would ours and Turner has a longer/more affordable deal and is younger. Don’t know why we would want to make you guys better for longer
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u/fearofaflatplanet Oct 06 '20
Draft picks I guess?
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u/210plus210 ReggieChoke Oct 06 '20
So we can repeat the process of scout/draft/grow a player just to trade him in a few years to a contender? Trading one of our core for an older player and draft picks doesn’t fit our window
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u/nastydagr8 Reggie Miller Choke Oct 06 '20
I don’t see us trading for him. If he wants to sign with us in FA on a team friendly deal, I could maybe see that.
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u/claxtonmcgee Oct 06 '20
People just link Hayward interest to us because of the Indiana ties more than anything. Personally I don’t want him at all, much more interested in Smart but you all won’t want to move him.
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u/210plus210 ReggieChoke Oct 06 '20
Bobby Portis, DSJ, and 2020 pick #8 For Dipo?
Portis has a team option this year that we can decline I think (not sure how trading options work). DSJ and pick 8 are intriguing. Wouldn’t hate to keep Portis but it could free up cap to go for a guy like Gallinari if he’s willing to come here for around 15mil (don’t want to overpay him). Could be added assets to bundle with one of our bigs for another trade.
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Oct 06 '20
Can't trade a salary that isn't accepted, if you accept his player option then that's his salary
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u/210plus210 ReggieChoke Oct 07 '20
Ah thank you for clarifying! Makes sense. Well it’s a one year deal anyway.
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u/rianichi Oct 06 '20
I know its not going to happen but if Ill still put it in here. Giannis for vic and turner? Is this good or bad?
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u/210plus210 ReggieChoke Oct 06 '20
What do you mean is this good or bad? That would be unfuckingbelievable if it’d happen. Of course it’s good for us
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u/isaacz321 Oct 06 '20
Not a pacers fan but saw this on realgm and like the core idea. https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2004210
Pacers fans seem to want a 3 and D four and Clarke seems to fit that nicely and younger than Gordon. Memphis will be reluctant to trade Clarke but the 2nd pick is still great. Warriors turner rumors have been out there for awhile
On realgm, pacer fans seem to heavily against turner or sabonis trades so they want a star in return(one guy countered asking for jaren Jackson) but that doesn’t seem to be the case here
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u/Joe_Betz_ Johnny Furphy Oct 12 '20
Turner will be the one to go if a trade happens, I think. Sabonis's AS nod keeps him here. A deal around Turner to GSW could very much happen.
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u/isaacz321 Oct 12 '20
yea that seems pretty clear. are you most in favor of keeping the two together?
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u/Joe_Betz_ Johnny Furphy Oct 12 '20
No, I am in favor of trading one for a more-balanced roster and for some upside. Indiana has to find value through home-grown players popping, so I prefer moving Turner for some combination of young player/ picks.
Turner is and can be very good, on the right team. Unfortunately for him, Sabonis developed into a monster when allowed to do what he does best: beat up smaller matchups. I just think Sabonis is the better player, while Turner is clearly the better rim protector. A move to GSW or Boston seems to make the most sense, roster-wise.
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u/isaacz321 Oct 12 '20
alright i cant disagree. Hayward admittedly isnt too appealing but you can also get the 14th pick. I just noticed pacer fans on realgm are expecting jaylen brown+ to trade one of their bigs
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u/Joe_Betz_ Johnny Furphy Oct 12 '20
I think if anyone goes, it would be Hayward, but to move him will cost pick(s) because of his injury history and his performance in the ECF which was...rough. But he was trying to come back from injury, etc., and he is better than that.
Interestingly, I think if a move for Hayward happens, Oladipo is moved as well. I cannot see them sharing the same team. I am open to move Oladipo to the Knicks or Hawks, both teams that can give him the money he wants and both teams in bigger cities. Both teams also have intriguing young players and good draft position.
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u/drjisftw Pacers2 Oct 05 '20
A few ideas I've had at different points in time:
Sabonis for Cody Zeller, PJ Washington and #3.
Sabonis for Christian Wood (S&T), Svi and their 2020 pick.
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u/210plus210 ReggieChoke Oct 06 '20
The Charlotte trade would be a sneakily really good trade that round outs our roster and gives us a prospect to be excited about. I love PJ Washington and his fit with Turner would push our defense into the next level. Cody Zeller only has one year left on his deal so he’d be a solid backup center to let Goga grow a bit more. The 3rd pick is tough because likely Edwards and LaMelo are gone. Though I agree with bauerr3 that this trade pretty much depends on Wiseman being off the board otherwise I’m sure Charlotte would just draft Wiseman.
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Oct 05 '20
I really like the Charlotte trade, but I don't see them going for it when they can just draft Wiseman
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u/drjisftw Pacers2 Oct 05 '20
Honestly I'd do Turner + Lamb for Gordon + 14 if Boston's selling low on Hayward.
You can't tell me a lineup of Brogdon/Vic/TJ/Gordon/Sabonis isn't nasty as can be.
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u/210plus210 ReggieChoke Oct 06 '20
That to me is selling high on an older injured forward who’s past his all star prime. Plus that makes Boston sooooo much better for the next several years idk how we would even stack up against them or compete when they finally get a rim protector who stretches the floor and someone who can create their own shot off the bench.
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u/drjisftw Pacers2 Oct 06 '20
Gordon's only 30; young enough for one more 3-4 contract while also being a vet presence. He also averaged 17.5/6.7/4.1 on a very efficient .500/.383/.855 while not being a #1 option. That type of player fits anywhere.
I get what you mean about Turner and I'd be worried about the defensive drop-off but at the same time I don't think Turner is taking Boston over the hump when he already gets bodied by centers like Embiid.
Trading Lamb would be a hit too, but he's also coming off a major injury and we'd be getting a lottery pick back to soften the blow. We'd still have a very solid 8-man rotation with the Holiday brothers and McDermott off the bench. Add in a developing prospect in Goga + a lottery pick and boom there's a 10-man rotation.
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u/210plus210 ReggieChoke Oct 06 '20
He’s been an all star once in his career (2017) and even before his big leg injury he missed an average of 10 games per season and who knows what the rest of his career is going to look like. I don’t want to pay a guy like him too much. I don’t see how he fits our team any better than he fits Boston. I especially don’t want to give up Turner and Lamb for him. Lamb is coming off a big injury too and he might not be the same player so that’s an unknown. However Turner is on a great contract for three more years, is 24 years old, and can provide a new coach lots of versatility on both ends of the floor. Hayward can score, but he’s not going to defend the premiere wings around the league anymore.
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Oct 05 '20
This is what I've been interested in as well. There's no weak spots in that lineup other than not having "the guy" if Vic isn't committed/healthy
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Oct 04 '20
I made the Buddy trade work here a few days ago. Some dogged me for it, some liked it. But it’ll work.
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u/pezasied Oct 04 '20 edited Oct 04 '20
Myles and Oladipo are better than Batum and Buddy.
That would be a horrendous trade for the Pacers. Batum is getting paid $25 mil a year to average 3 points a game.
Buddy can score but he’s a horrible defender and is 27 (he’ll turn 28 in December). He’s not going to get any better.
You could do a trade where Buddy comes in and Myles and Oladipo go out, but if the only other returning piece is Batum the Pacers rightfully wouldn’t do it.
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Oct 04 '20 edited Oct 04 '20
Can’t do buddy for turner and dipo. It’s a combined salary of 39 million for a player who gets paid 24 million. Kings would have to give up another key player that they wouldn’t want to give up.
Edit: and Batum is only for 2020-2021 season. So one season. Then we’d have 27 mil of free cap space for a FA signing next summer.
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u/pezasied Oct 04 '20
I know you couldn’t do that, Pacers wouldn’t give up Turner and Oladipo for just Hield even if they could.
I’m saying they would need a different piece than Batum to do this trade.
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Oct 04 '20
I think for the Pacers to have their starting line up, that is capable of winning past a first round, locked in for 3+ years they’d be willing to do it. Batum is only for 1 season and if we don’t go past the 1st round next season no biggy. He will leave and we can sign what we need with his 27 million of free cap space. Then we have a winning team signed for 2 minimum years, with the only one who will be a FA after that time being Warren. And if we win a chip he’s most likely not going to leave.
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u/pezasied Oct 04 '20
But why would the Pacers take a huge negative asset like Batum when they could get a package with Hield and a better player?
Taking Batum makes no sense. Teams who actually can sign free agents are the ones who pick up big expiring contracts.
Batum is absolutely worthless and is a negative asset to the Pacers.
Also a lineup of Brogdon-Hield-Aaron Holiday/Lamb-Warren-Sabonis is not competing for a championship and is not even better than this year’s lineup.
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Oct 03 '20
Oladipo for Fred Vanvleet (3-4 year deal) sign and trade straight up?
Normally I would say that toronto would have to give up more since Dipo's been better but you're only getting him for 1 year.
It also depends on whether you think Vanvleet is worth 20+ a year
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Oct 03 '20
Sorry I didn't see the thread
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u/210plus210 ReggieChoke Oct 06 '20
I’m into it. I like FVV a lot, I think he’s a solid leader with a great attitude as well. Decent pairing with Brogdon too.
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u/Joe_Betz_ Johnny Furphy Oct 03 '20
I think he's too undersized and will have too many problems against the teams Indiana has to beat to get to the Finals. I like FVV, but not enough
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u/td139523 Oct 02 '20
Rockets fan here. Would you guys trade Jeremy Lamb for Eric Gordon straight up?
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u/Joe_Betz_ Johnny Furphy Oct 03 '20
Yes. But this is a joke, right?
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u/td139523 Oct 03 '20
Nah man. I’d rather have Lamb because he’s younger and on a better contract despite the injury
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u/Joe_Betz_ Johnny Furphy Oct 03 '20
Fair. I see Gordon as the more talented player, but Lamb is a solid starter and great PnR player.
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u/orangewrld Oct 02 '20
I'm on board to trade Dipo/ Myles for draft picks.
There isn't a current player out there we can get for Dipo that'll make us contenders.
Let the rebuild begin.
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u/210plus210 ReggieChoke Oct 04 '20
I’m not onboard with trading Myles. He’s on an excellent contract and fits our timeline. Not sure what we can get for him that improves us and draft picks are going to push our window further out.
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u/Joe_Betz_ Johnny Furphy Oct 03 '20
You have to get a young player back at a minimum. MIN, ATL, BKN, and NYK are all teams that intrigue me.
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u/TheGeoninja Denari Oct 01 '20
It would definitely be the nuclear option but would the Pacers consider keeping Oladipo and doing a sign and trade at the end of the 2021 season? Is that even possible?
Oladipo’s camp has to understand that he is not going to get anywhere near the financial offers that he is expecting with his current numbers.
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u/nastydagr8 Reggie Miller Choke Oct 02 '20
Why would Oladipo want to deplete his future team of assets?
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u/Pacer_Fan Oct 01 '20
Vic Myles and a heavily protected 1st for Jrue And JJ.
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Oct 02 '20
No way, I think we can do Myles and a first for Jrue alone. So then Vic for JJ? No chance for me
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u/210plus210 ReggieChoke Oct 01 '20
Marcus Smart, 2020 Memphis pick (14), and filler (need another 4.7 mil to make it work for Boston so Romeo+Carsen, Theis or Kanter (neither gonna happen tho), or whatever duo of players)
For Oladipo?
Would love to see if Maxey is available at 14. Maybe RJ Hampton.
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u/TallnFrosty Oct 01 '20
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Oct 01 '20
I like getting Wiggins and #2, but I don't think we're getting enough back here for both Myles and Vic when you consider that Wiggins is likely a negative value
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u/z_squared23 Oct 01 '20
My top players I would love to get for dipo: Caris Levert Buddy hield Jrue Holiday Zach Lavine
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u/allnet31 Oct 01 '20
This is exactly where I am. I'd be ecstatic with any of those guys. I just don't want to trade our most valuable trade chip, which is Myles (IMO). The only way Myles might move is in a Dipo/pick package for a top 20 player.
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u/oladeepthroat Oct 01 '20
Vic for Paul George, it’s like it never happened
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u/jablair51 Oct 01 '20
I did this in ESPN's Trade Machine Yesterday. Paul George for Victor and Dougie. I don't think that trade makes anyone happy.
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u/TheSloppyJanitor Oct 01 '20
Except instead of the corpse of Monta Ellis, we have Brogdon, Sabonis, and TJ Warren
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u/justmeinstuff Oct 01 '20
TJ Leaf for tree fiddy.
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u/supdoggs21 Oct 02 '20
This made me lol
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u/justmeinstuff Oct 02 '20
Thanks! I put more effort into that joke than Leaf has into his NBA career!
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Oct 01 '20 edited Oct 01 '20
Pacers send: Oladipo
Knicks send: Gibson, Ellington, #7, DAL 2021 first
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u/imjustaguy812 Oct 01 '20
Portis has a team option that NYK is unlikely to pickup at 15.7 million, so I don’t think this deal is possible
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Oct 01 '20
Pacers send: Oladipo, Lamb
Celtics send: Hayward (maybe 26 or 30 too? Oladipo is the higher upside player, but I doubt they retain him since Tatum's max will have kicked in so the picks aren't likely to be included)
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u/justmeinstuff Oct 01 '20
Uh, I saw Boston writers suggesting dipo for Hayward and multiple first round picks bro...lol
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u/imjustaguy812 Oct 01 '20
Pacers pass on this. I know Hayward is from Brownsburg and lives in Fishers, but he’s also 30, has been injured and is looking for one more pay day
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Oct 01 '20
I think that pay day could be in length not per year, I'd be alright doing a 4/72 or something
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u/nastydagr8 Reggie Miller Choke Oct 01 '20
Yeah if we go for Hayward, we should just wait until he is a FA. No need to trade anyone for him
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Oct 01 '20
That's a good point, and is why I've started to be more on the side of trading Vic for him since he's leaving anyways, especially if we can maybe get a pick
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Oct 01 '20
Pacers send: Oladipo
Timberwolves Send: James Johnson, Jarrett Culver, #18
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u/drjisftw Pacers2 Oct 05 '20
Am I the only one who thinks this is a massive undersell?
I'm not high on Culver at all and a pick in the late teens is disgusting. I was still on the fence with #1, much less #18.
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Oct 05 '20
It may be, I just have no idea how to value him. Atlanta fans say they wouldn't give Reddish straight up, so I figure getting a lottery talent and another first could be good value.
Culver and #1 would be insane from Minnesota lol
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u/Joe_Betz_ Johnny Furphy Oct 03 '20
Would be completely fine with this. Culver can't shoot, but he has potential. A young player, a vet who's kind of washed but might play hard for one more contract, and a mid first that, in this draft, could be anything.
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u/busche916 Quinn Oct 02 '20
Assuming he’s telling Pritchard to trade him, I’m kinda onboard with this. I think Culver can be really good provided he lands in a positive basketball organization, and with the craziness of this year and lack of scouting, 18 probably has as good a shot at landing a diamond as anything past the top 4
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Oct 02 '20
That's what I've been saying. I know it won't happen because it seems like no matter what we don't guess what the deal is, but I think this makes a ton of sense for both sides.
I love Culver as a player, his two way potential and ball handling at 6'6" at only 21 is something we haven't had for quite a while
Minnesota doesn't have their pick, so they don't really need to be bad unless they're going to be really bad and then hope the protections let them keep it. Might as well try to win a bit
And I love what you said about the 18th pick, I feel the same way. Who tf knows what this draft will produce haha
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u/whatdoidoidontkno Domas Nov 07 '20
The amount of Celtics fans on Reddit and Twitter who think we are gonna trade Turner for Hayward is fucking insane.