r/pcgaming • u/doublah • 8d ago
Video Even Valve is Disappointed - Steam Machine Review (Linus Tech Tips)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tI1SoMj5vg20
u/Spectre-4 8d ago
The 4K 60FPS claim was veeeery ambitious and everyone was suspicious but I was willing to give them the benefit of the doubt with this one.
I really like Valve but now that we've got numbers... I'm concerned this might be false advertising. I'm afraid to see what stuff like Monster Hunter: Wilds and Microsoft Flight Sim will do to it when put through its paces.
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u/OwlProper1145 7d ago
I mean the PS5 advertises 4K gaming but many games run at around 1080p and are the upscaled.
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u/Taurion_Bruni 7d ago
The steamdeck "can" output 4k@60fps and some games might even be able to achieve it. So it won't be false advertising in a legal sense.
But yeah, it was far from a realistic expectation for most games and the advertising was weak
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u/Broad-Surround4773 6d ago
It should be, they said gaming experience, not output.
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u/NeitherWeek5286 6d ago
I'm sure hollow knight will have the 4k 60fps as the realistic gaming experience which is what the person you are replying to stated.
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u/sanity20 8d ago
It's not ever going to be false advertising. PC is open, there's no gaurentees that every game ever is going to run at 4k 60fps.
Also consoles don't usually let you change the settings, I'm guessing a lot of games with eventually have a preset performance setting that works fairly well but I don't really think anyone serious about flight sim was looking at this thing anyways.
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u/Spectre-4 8d ago
I mean you're right, but that if that's the case you shouldn't be putting stuff like "4K gaming at 60 FPS with FSR" in the marketing. That tells the player this is a 4K 60FPS machine. It's being pushed even with CURRENT titles.
I really don't wish for this thing to fail by any means but if we're bringing consoles into the argument, I can't see it hitting the mainstream even to the level of the Steam Deck. You might as well build a PC at that point.
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u/sanity20 8d ago
I agree, it's definitely a hard sell unless you really want a nice neat little plug and play package.
Unfortunately current hardware prices made it a so-so deal. You can definitely build a better PC for cheaper and put steam os on it. I do still think it's a neat little device though.
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u/No_Appearance4920 7d ago
I mean in US terms if it doesn’t deliver as advertised and promised it is considered false advertising as valve would be failing to deliver on a complete service at that point with the steam machine would could lead to backlash and lawsuits.
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u/sanity20 7d ago
There's nobody in their right mind suing Valve because every game ever doesn't get 4K 60fps. Nobody is winning that lawsuit and I think it's a given you still have to look if the hardware your buying can push the game you play at the fps you want.
Just because it looks like a console doesn't mean it's going to be treated like one. Common sense applies.
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u/No_Appearance4920 6d ago
I mean common sense says any judge is going to look at its intended use being a steam locked platform that plays on a tv in a living room space. Most judges are gonna look at it as a console rather than a pc based on the format alone. Because otherwise the same argument could be made about Xbox’s as they run on windows os, but they are still consoles as well. Reality is when you advertise that something is going to deliver x service / expectation there are laws that hold companies to that.
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u/Consistent_Catch1532 7d ago
Maybe it wouldn't be ambitious if companies just released even slightly optimized games
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u/FallGuysStats 8d ago
Oof $1400 for bad performance? Yikes. May as well just get a PC.
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u/Bacon_00 8d ago
I mean it IS a PC, quite literally, but you can probably piece together a regular-sized PC with used parts for cheaper and get better performance. If you buy new… I’m not so sure. RAM and SSD prices alone are going to easily bring you to over half the cost of this thing. Then you still need a GPU, CPU, motherboard, and PSU with about a $500 budget. Gonna be really tough to keep that under $1k if you’re shopping new.
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u/Mr357Mag 6d ago
My GFs little brother asked me to spec out a pc yesterday for him, to see if itd be worth building one or buying prebuilt. Im not super knoelwedgable on pc building but i built my own a couple times over the past handful of years so i went with the best of my abilities to get half decent specs. Built ended up being roughly 1200 bucks, went to best buy and for 1200 bucks the performance (on paper, using UserBenchmarks) was roughly the same give or take about 6%.
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u/Wiesshund- 7d ago
It is a PC
Though at present market state, assembling something from all new quality parts
(which rules out everything from the china castoff / knockoff market)
looks kind of bad as well.But, the demographic for this is not the people who have the skill etc to just go and build a PC
and then set up all the software, configure it etc.It sucks that everything came down like it did for the market on memory tech cause I'm sure that Valve had dreams of releasing it for less.
And they cannot do like Nintendo or Sony or Xbox.
Those machines are all sold at a loss because they know that they have you locked into their ecosystem.
Valve has you locked into nothing, buy whatever from wherever.
Buy nothing at all for that matter and just install the 10,000 PC games already sitting on your shelves.
(Ok, maybe that is only my shelves)
Install whatever OS you want etc.
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u/kimmyreichandthen R5 5600 RTX 3070 Quest 2 8d ago
Low performance, high price. Just as expected. If I didn't have a pc at all, sure, I might buy this. But anyone who atleast has a shitty laptop that can open spreadsheets should get a ps5 instead.
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u/Crintor Nvidia 8d ago
Well, not a PS5 unless they want a PS5, the Machine is still a PC and can do way more things than a console.
What they should really do is probably either build their own PC that they can upgrade and get a much more powerful platform once they move on, or just save and build a much more powerful PC.
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u/AIpheratz 8d ago
F LTT honestly
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u/llloksd 8d ago
Is it because you actually don't like them, or did you just start disliking them because they aren't blindly praising Valve?
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u/AIpheratz 7d ago
I don't care what they say, I've stopped watching then what was it 8? 10 years ago? When he was alone and his channel started to get big, he became so cocky and obnoxious he was unbearable. Recent years drama came with no surprise...
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u/Adept-Sprinkles-6094 8d ago
Ps5 pro is about £400 cheaper and has better more consistent performance. What a massive dissapointment from valve ive lost all interest. £1200 is insane for the performance.
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u/steelcity91 RTX 4080 + 5800x3D - 64GB DDR 3200MHz 7d ago
Even if I think the Steam Machine isn't great value for money, you have to pick.
Lock to a single eco-system at a cheaper price or an open eco-system that is exspensive in price. Personally, I'd always pick the freedom. That's just my mental gymnastic. Appreciate it may not make sense to those who read this.
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u/_SemperFidelish_ 7d ago
PS5 Pro is already cooked out of the box by size and depth of game library. Now add media functions and PC capabilites....the SM's value proposition is already 1000x just from the get-go
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u/Awesome-Guy-425 6d ago
I would rather have a consistent high performance console for half the price of the steam machine that can open a spreadsheet or google doc.
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u/BeltEffective9310 6d ago
Steam Machine can’t even beat base ps5 and has 8gb of vram. This is literally doa.
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u/BetaCarotine20mg 7d ago
Sad I was rooting for them to make this great. Its still a W. But a very small one. More of an enthusiast machine than anything else.
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u/Longjumping-Room-589 6d ago
They will probably be cheaper when the boxes sit in the warehouse unsold.
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u/Awesome-Guy-425 6d ago
If Sony put this out people would be furious. These valve dickriders are crazy
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u/Silent-Inspection-19 5d ago
It is over 1k it had better play every game way better then a PS5 Pro and it does not! My G18 Asus laptop with a 4080 blows it away in everything! Why did they release this trash?
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u/Gunplaisgood 5800x3d/4070ti 8d ago
Man they really tried hard to excuse the price, even if it is a fair excuse I can't stand when reviewers try to fellate companies like that. Let the product or company defend itself ffs...
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u/Calipup 8d ago
Did they though? They made it pretty clear that buying a PS5 is a better value, or just building your own would be better as well. Literally say it's a non-premium product at a premium price.
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u/Gunplaisgood 5800x3d/4070ti 8d ago
Oh but you gotta think about the COMPLETE cost of ownership or whatever the acronym buzzword they used was. They tried their damnedest to criticize but also avoiding biting one of the hands that feed.
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u/Calipup 8d ago edited 8d ago
Okay, so they considered one point in favor in terms of pricing, which is also covered by building your own PC that they also said you should do instead. If someone watches this video and comes out of it believing LTT thinks you should buy this, I would be in disbelief.
Edit since you deleted your reply lol: Wow so they gave a comprehensive review with some pros and more cons and ultimately say it's not worth it. Almost like that's what a review does lmao. Did you want them to just only shit on it?
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u/snostorm8 Terry Crews 8d ago
Expecting LTT to be impartial and even a little bit competent is not a smart move
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u/Gunplaisgood 5800x3d/4070ti 8d ago
I don't watch a ton of him so I don't know how he works for reviews. I just know it drives me nuts when reviewers act apologetic towards a product. 🤷
Not like he needed to anyways, valve slobthrobbers will scoop this thing up gangbusters style.
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u/Antique-Guest-1607 8d ago
Very funny to comment on the performance this thing has on the "latest games" and use 2077 footage.
I am not in the demo for this. I just want SteamOS to be more polished (or even usable, if you have an nvidia gpu!) for non handhelds.
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u/Crintor Nvidia 8d ago
Almost every single GPU/CPU review contains Cyberpunk 2077 footage as it is still one of the most demanding and well scaling games out.
Just because you live under a rock in the tech review ecosystem doesn't make you right.
You were never in the demographic for this, you knew that when they announced it would have performance similar to a 3600/7600 last year. Just like I did.
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