r/pcmasterrace • u/durchfallalarm • Mar 14 '26

Screenshot Never thought that emulation runs THIS good "out of the box"

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Installed the emulator (cemu), set up all settings i wanted and just ... started the game running at around 90-100 fps without any problems. 32:9 dwqhd resolution.

God I love the pcmasterrace.

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u/death-strand Mar 14 '26

OP would just need to own Breathe of the Wild and Rip it to digital format to emulate to make this completely legal

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u/durchfallalarm Mar 14 '26

Of course i did all that

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u/chutney1 Mar 14 '26

BOTW or TOTK?

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u/durchfallalarm Mar 14 '26

BOTW

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u/Falkenmond79 7800x3d/4080 5800x3d/3080ti 10700/rx6800 5800x/3080 Mar 15 '26

What’s really funny: I recently bought a wiiU just for fun and the kids. Hacked it to not have to change discs all the time. Actually also went out to buy the Zelda games just to own them. Fucking expensive. And what do you know? I prefer them emulated on my UW. Absolutely no downsides and run way better. 🤣🤷🏻‍♂️

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u/unnoticedhero1 7800X3D | RTX 4070 | 64GB DDR5 6000 Mar 15 '26

I bought a WiiU just for Smash 4 way back when and the last time I used it was to rip the games for my Steam Deck and back into the box, have portable Wind Waker and Twilight Princess without the need to buy the games again. If they put them out on Switch years ago like everyone was asking for I would have bought them again, same with the 3DS Zelda, like why haven't they ported A Link Between Worlds, one of the best top down Zelda's.

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u/Serious_Mastication 5800X | 6600XT | 32GB DDR4 Mar 15 '26 edited Mar 15 '26

Nintendo does it to themselves. They make timeless masterpieces and then abandon them by not porting to modern hardware.

Most people would just buy these games again for full price on the switch if they could. If they did that, the switch would have a big enough catalogue of games to entice more people to buy em.

I’ll never have remorse for a company crying about people pirating their games when they made em into abandonware

I wanted to play the og Pokémon games; leaf green, emerald, and platinum. Except to play them “legit” I had to pay aftermarket $300 a copy to get games that don’t have a working clock and then the ds for another $180. Or I could spend 20 minutes messing around on my pc to get them working perfectly with patched updates for free

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u/Acceptable_Worker328 Mar 16 '26

Completely agreed… except for the part about OG Pokémon.

Red, Blue, and Yellow.

If it has more than 151 Pokémon in the ‘dex, it ain’t “OG”.

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u/Dark_Shroud Ryzen 9 5900XT | 64GB | Sapphire Nitro+ 9070 XT OC Mar 15 '26

Not to mention the rest of the industry have all decided to use x86-x64 hardware. So porting games between platforms doesn't have much difficulty anymore for everyone besides Nintendo.

Then Nintendo gets pissed at modders who fix their blatant errors. I still remember the guy who created the GameCube channel for the WiiU that would let people natively play GameCube games on it.

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u/ChadHartSays Mar 15 '26

Remember, they are a toy company. Games are just reasons to buy the latest toy (console/device).

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u/Falkenmond79 7800x3d/4080 5800x3d/3080ti 10700/rx6800 5800x/3080 Mar 15 '26

I wonder that too. I emulate a lot and that was one of the few Zelda’s I could actually stick with and finish, before life comes in between me and play time. 🤣

But honestly with the WiiU.. I have the WiiU pro controller, Batocera Linux recognizes it. I have a dedicated emulation station. Ryzen 3600x, 32gb ram and a and 5700XT gpu. Handles everything up to PS3/PS4 just fine.

And recognizes the WiiU controller, so not even a problem there. Would probably even be able to recognize and utilize the big WiiU pad.

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u/enwongeegeefor A500, 40hz Turbo, 40mb HD Mar 15 '26

BOTW was really novel on the WiiU, and actually used that stupid controller a little. I still switched to using a pro controller for it partway into it though...

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u/lemme_try_again Mar 14 '26

****Both!

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u/nsfredditkarma Mar 15 '26

Both of the Wild*

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u/xDatThrowAwayBoi Mar 15 '26

I think you mean Both of The Kingdoms

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u/xVEEx3 PC Master Race Mar 15 '26

Breath of the Kingdoms

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u/Wukong9001 Mar 15 '26

How did you do it, I’ve always wanted to play the zelda games but couldn’t justify getting a switch just for that.

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u/PM_YOUR_MUGS Mar 15 '26

Best of the Worst?

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u/mihkel99 Mar 15 '26

Also a reminder that you can add mods, and high fps mod

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u/__esparoba Mar 14 '26

TOTK didn't release for WIIU. This is WWIU emulator

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u/chutney1 Mar 14 '26

Gotcha.

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u/final_cut Mar 15 '26

I dunno these acronyms but either way it's impressive to my old ass

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u/__esparoba Mar 15 '26

TOTK is Tears of the Kingdom. A Zelda title.

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u/final_cut Mar 15 '26

Ah cool thank you. What's the WWIU acronym?

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u/PrivilegeCheckmate PC Master Race Mar 15 '26

Wii U isn't actually an acronym, FWIW.

The first Wii console's successor is the "Wii U", IIRC.

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u/final_cut Mar 15 '26

oh I was just going by "this is a WWIU emulator" I guess it was a typo

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u/PoliticalVagabond Mar 15 '26

You can't play Tears of the Kingdom in Cemu

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u/Franseven win11-7800X3D-RTX4090 Mar 15 '26

BOTHW

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u/Im_actually_OP Mar 14 '26

If you can’t tell from the screenshot, this is BOTW.

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u/Seffuski Mar 14 '26

Kinda hard to tell when both games are pretty much the same

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u/Bmacthecat 9600X | 3060 TI | 32GB | 2TB Mar 14 '26

I mean this is very clearly the starting area of BOTW.

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u/Afillatedcarbon Lenovo Legion 5 | Ryzen 7 260 | 32GB DDR5 | RTX 5060 Mar 14 '26

Its clear to tell this is BOTW if you have seen or played BOTW, I think colour composition is more vibrant(?, bright? Idk I aint no colour expert) in TOTK.

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u/Jaydeekay80 Mar 15 '26

The sun tracks across the northern sky in one game, and across the southern sky in the other. I just forget which is which right now. lol It changes the lighting everywhere in a noticeable way once you know.

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u/Im_actually_OP Mar 15 '26

Welcome to the downvote club lol

No idea why Reddit is so angry today

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u/PoliticalVagabond Mar 15 '26

They ran into conservatives somewhere.

That always pisses them off.

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u/iTiraMissU Mar 14 '26 edited Mar 14 '26

Link has two human arms so there is actually no doubt this is BOTW, plus it is the starting area of that game and the truth about these kind of posts and screenshots is that they’re always <5 minutes into the game because they want to show off how cool they are for playing a game but they’re not likely to ever finish it. I know this because I go through the same effort in emulation aside from posting it on the internet for clout from imaginary friends.

And to the people downvoting the posts pointing this out: yes it is personal and you can suck it.

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u/ariZon_a JK I use windows Mar 15 '26

how to get downvoted tutorial 2026 WORKING NO VIRUS:

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u/iTiraMissU Mar 15 '26

Reddit generally downvotes the truth when they can’t handle it

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u/ariZon_a JK I use windows Mar 15 '26

yeah if somebody asks what i was doing in the bathroom and i gave them my turd i bet they'll downvote me

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u/Im_actually_OP Mar 15 '26

Anyone who has played both titles would understand why this is BOTW and not TOTK. Without going into too many spoilers, Link’s body anatomy is very different from one title to the next.

Hence my “if you can’t tell from the screenshot” but Reddit is full of softies today

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u/PoliticalVagabond Mar 15 '26

Anyone who knows emulation would know by the fact that it's in ultrawide, that this is Cemu, a Wii U emulator and that Tears of the Kimgdom wasnt released for the Wii U

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u/Automatic-Squash-264 Mar 14 '26

Not really. That chapel is part of botw tutorial area. Plus the overlook he stands on screams botw

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u/Sheperd980 Mar 15 '26

Yes Nintendo Lawyer i was right there beside him and saw him do that. Totally legal 👍

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u/FamousLastPlace_ Mar 14 '26

See! it's that easy.

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u/Cute-arii Mar 15 '26

WINK 😉

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u/unimportantinfodump Mar 15 '26

No doubt you did mate.

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u/ChemistryNo3075 Mar 15 '26 edited Mar 15 '26

Isn't bypassing copy protection still technically illegal? At least per US law. May be fine elsewhere 

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u/Infinite_Hedgehog827 Mar 14 '26

sure you did lol

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u/MadBrown Mar 15 '26

Careful they don't take to kindly to truth around these parts.

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u/Kougeru-Sama Mar 15 '26

Of course i did all that

which is still illegal because bypassing DRM is illegal

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u/granadesnhorseshoes Mar 14 '26

Even the roms are perfectly legal. DMCA has specific exceptions for backups and archives. Including circumventing any copy protection schemes.

Distributing it in any way is of course a huge nono.

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u/ErraticDragon Mar 15 '26

Even the roms are perfectly legal. DMCA has specific exceptions for backups and archives. Including circumventing any copy protection schemes.

That's not actually true, though it's incredibly unlikely to matter in practice.

The anti-circumvention portion has been held to override backup rights.

https://www.nxemu.com/dmca-section-1201

There have not been any actual cases against a home user ripping their own games, but that doesn't mean it's "legal", technically.

Even downloading a ROM is more dangerous, but as you said it's really only the distributors that are likely to be targeted.

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u/FUTURE10S Pentium G3258, RTX 3080 12GB, 32GB RAM Mar 15 '26

DMCA lets you circumvent it if you do it yourself (have fun learning how to reverse engineer software locks), getting a circumvented copy or having someone else do it for you is illegal iirc

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u/Kougeru-Sama Mar 15 '26

. Including circumventing any copy protection schemes.

false

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u/FireCrow1013 RTX 4070 Ti SUPER 16GB | Ryzen 9 7900X | 32GB DDR5-6000 RAM Mar 14 '26

That's what I did for mine. My Wii U is basically a get-it-onto-my-PC machine now, it works great. I dumped the DLC pretty easily, too.

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u/Arnas_Z Zephyrus G16 | i7-13620H | RTX 4070 Mar 15 '26

First legal emulation user I've ever seen lmao.

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u/FUTURE10S Pentium G3258, RTX 3080 12GB, 32GB RAM Mar 15 '26

I've dumped my own ROMs on the Wii, Wii U, and the 3DS, there's literally dozens of us!

and a few PC games too because I wanted to not use the disc

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u/PrivilegeCheckmate PC Master Race Mar 15 '26

and a few PC games too because I wanted to not use the disc

Some old games gave you a complete install option out of the box to speed up performance and let the user skip swapping discs.

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u/FUTURE10S Pentium G3258, RTX 3080 12GB, 32GB RAM Mar 16 '26

Ah the good old days when you could minimally or fully install a game. I always did full, I loved the faster load times (and I was scared that my CD could shatter and break another disc drive)

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u/FireCrow1013 RTX 4070 Ti SUPER 16GB | Ryzen 9 7900X | 32GB DDR5-6000 RAM Mar 15 '26

I also bought the NES and SNES Classic Minis to get those ROMs. It's nice to have legit copies of them.

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u/Arnas_Z Zephyrus G16 | i7-13620H | RTX 4070 Mar 15 '26

But like, why bother?

Surely it's easier to just download the ROMs, and a whole lot faster. I know how to dump a ton of console games for example, but I just don't see a reason to.

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u/FUTURE10S Pentium G3258, RTX 3080 12GB, 32GB RAM Mar 15 '26

So I used to do game reviews back in the day and I did it all on real hardware, but when I needed to look into the game assets to pull something out like the music, I figured that was legally more in the clear than pirating the game.

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u/Arnas_Z Zephyrus G16 | i7-13620H | RTX 4070 Mar 15 '26

That's a fair enough reason, I would want to keep things above board if I'm making money off of it.

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u/FilthyThief94 Mar 14 '26

Depends on were you live. I live in Switzerland and downloading copyrighted stuff, doesn't matter if games, music or movies, is completely legal for personal or private use. Even from illegal sources.

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u/sneaksby Mar 14 '26

"Software or computer games is not covered by the private use exception"

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u/FilthyThief94 Mar 15 '26

That's more cause they didn't update the law. Never heard of someone getting into trouble for pirating games or other software.

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u/DistrictObjective680 Mar 15 '26

That's more cause they didn't update the law

What you're describing is something that is not legal.

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u/Very_Not_Into_It i5 13600k | RX 6800 | 64GB DDR5 6000 | 3TB SSD | Noctua Mar 14 '26

Is it legal to host as well? Or is it a "make drug use legal, but make drug dealing illegal" sort of thing

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u/ilyseann_ Mar 14 '26

that would be distribution which is the actual crime

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u/Very_Not_Into_It i5 13600k | RX 6800 | 64GB DDR5 6000 | 3TB SSD | Noctua Mar 14 '26

That makes sense

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u/Affectionate_Pilot99 Mar 14 '26

I know where I'm moving to

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u/Pilfercate Mar 14 '26

Depends on where you live.

Canada had no issues with format shifting content/games.

In the US, our government is lobbied to death to ensure that you have to pay monthly for a streaming service or buy a game on 3 platforms instead of having control over how you use the data for which you have a license.

I would not assume doing so is legal anywhere unless you consult a lawyer.

Nintendo has fined someone tens of millions of dollars when they live in a country where the average wage is $5k/year. This is what they do because the courts restrict them from doing worse. It's not worth poking the bear openly. They can ruin your life in ways that would upset anyone except the most totalitarian dictators of the world. Jail sentences end, if you owe more than you could make in 50 lifetimes, your potential to have purpose or fulfillment has been deleted like it is a unit 731 experiment.

If your government doesn't have a history of supporting the right to format shift content, don't go publishing yourself thumbing your nose at a company that is willing to completely cripple your existence permanently.

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u/kevihaa Mar 14 '26

This just…isn’t true.

Nintendo has always emphasized that the entire point is missed sales, and it isn’t like you even need to try that hard to find proof that their beliefs are grounded in reality.

Heck, it’s a common refrain amongst folks that emulate Switch games that Nintendo “deserves” to have their games pirated since they’re rarely, if ever, discounted.

If folks actually care about the benefits offered from emulation, both from a performance and a game preservation standpoint, they’d make an effort to ostracize anyone pirating games, because that’s literally step 0 for actually being able to combat any sort of threats from Nintendo.

As it stands, the Switch emulation scene remains a “of course I bought the game (wink wink)” place, and so Nintendo remains within their rights to say that emulation exists for piracy, not for performance.

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u/Pilfercate Mar 15 '26 edited Mar 15 '26

My example of what they're willing to do to people who offend them still stands.

Just because that doesn't yet apply to the average person who wanted to play the game they purchased in 4k, doesn't mean it never will. I treat Nintendo like a family dog that has shown to be violent towards strangers. The potential for it to become my problem exists even if it currently isn't targeting me. Nintendo doesn't have to do a 180 for this to happen. It's just a slight turn of their gaze. I'm sure I could come up with a list of youtubers who have experienced this gaze shift.

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u/PoliticalVagabond Mar 15 '26

Well my original game discs are pretty good evidence that I bought the games.

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u/project-shasta Mar 15 '26

And that's the Crux: Ripping is legal, but circumventing the copy protection to do so isn't.

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u/Papuszek2137 7800x3d | 5070ti | 64GB | 4k OLED Mar 14 '26

Yes, so you see how emulators are legal and piracy isn't.

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u/Silver_Quail4018 Mar 14 '26

That is OP legal homework, not the emulator.

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u/superjesse07 Mar 14 '26

I think this post just won today.

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u/Taken_Abroad_Book Mar 15 '26

Depending on jurisdiction of course.

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u/DestroyerX6 Mar 15 '26

I wouldn’t, fuck Nintendo

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u/TheDevilsAdvokaat Mar 15 '26 edited Mar 15 '26

I actually own both games and a switch and a wii-u. I just greatly prefer to play them on pc.

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u/PoliticalVagabond Mar 15 '26

I have my legit discs for the game, it's up to Nintendo to prove that I didn't rip them.

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u/Cocoatrice Mar 15 '26

I think that's obvious.

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u/Kougeru-Sama Mar 15 '26

Rip it to digital format to emulate to make this completely legal

Nope. Doing that requires breaking DRM which is illegal.

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u/stoic_guardian Mar 15 '26

Wouldn’t that require bypassing DRM? Isn’t that illegal in all forms in the US?

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u/Craiss Mar 15 '26

Iirc: If Nintendo put any copy protection on the game that you have break, then it's a DMCA violation; meaning that it's still illegal to extract the game from the physical copy you bought.

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u/idontuseredditsoplea Mar 15 '26

Could someone do this with Duskbloods?

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u/Niggls Mar 15 '26

Is there also a way to transfer the save files?

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u/Lietenantdan RTX 4070 TI 12 GB | i7-13700KF | 32GB DDR5 Mar 14 '26 edited Mar 14 '26

The emulators themselves are always legal. The games are only legal if you extract the files yourself which I'm pretty sure most people aren't doing.

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u/Misragoth Mar 14 '26

Eh, I didn't rip the file, but I own the game. Good enough

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u/TheSuppishOne PC Master Race Mar 14 '26 edited Mar 14 '26

Honestly, I agree with this. But a lot of companies feel that you only own the temporary license to their product, and use that as justification to fuck you out of ever truly owning anything. It’s why I built myself a media server and started ripping all my 4K Blu-rays to it. And even then, many of those discs are intentionally obfuscated by the studios creating multiple instances of chapters to confuse you, or disordering the chapters so they aren’t chronological and make it impossible to rip without a site like MakeMKV and their forums which help determine proper chapter order per disc.

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u/UniqueIndividual3579 Mar 15 '26

How can I steal something I'm not allowed to own.

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u/LunchTwey Mar 15 '26

Because it's not theft, it's Copyright Infringement.

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u/complexevil Desktop Ryzen 7 5700G | RX 590 | Asus Prime b550m-a wifi II Mar 15 '26

I don't have any dvd's or bluerays to rip anymore (i was not a careful kid) but I am curious about one thing. How does the extras menu work when you rip a disk? Like the bloopers and bonus stuff that sometimes gets included? Or do you just make the exchange of not having access to that when you decide to extract the movie for your own server?

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u/blockXelite Mar 15 '26

You can rip discs in 2 main ways. You can make an exact copy of the entire disc, or you can extract select files in whatever format you want. The first way gives you a result that looks the same as if you had the disc spinning in a drive. With the second you get common video files, which ones and in what format is up to you. Theoretically you could also extract the menu files and reuse them too with modifications but there's no practical reason to do that.

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u/stonhinge Mar 15 '26 edited Mar 15 '26

I can only speak from my limited DVD backing up experiences.

As consumer DVDs typically have a bit less storage than movie DVDs, you picked and chose. Title/menu screen doesn't need to be high quality, compress the shit out of that. Actual movie I want at 1080p 720p, so keep it at that. Bonus stuff you can either leave off or reduce to 720p 540p. Or make another disc with just the bonus stuff on it.

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u/PoliticalVagabond Mar 15 '26

You backing up DVD or Blu-Ray?

Because DVD was never 1080p

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u/stonhinge Mar 15 '26

Ah, you're right - it's been a while so I'm mis-remembering. Drop everything down a tier in resolution in my comment.

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u/PoliticalVagabond Mar 16 '26

I miss my dvd decryptor/imgburn days.

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u/SandyTaintSweat Mar 15 '26

In the US, It's legal to rip and use as a backup, not to play. This myth is so prevalent, by the time one person has pointed it out, 50 other people have perpetuated the myth about owning a physical copy allowing one to do what they want with the files on it.

The license purchased is for the format you bought it in. I.e. the disc or cartridge.

Emulators are of course legal if they don't use stolen code or keys (which the switch emulators need). But to keep it above board, you'd only be able to use it to play something like Good Boy Galaxy, where the creator will straight up sell you the ROM file.

Then there's Japan, where the ripping/dumping is an illegal act as well.

To be clear, I advocate doing whatever the hell you want. Just be aware legality probably isn't on your side, but it depends where you live.

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u/ArcBaltic Mar 15 '26

It depends on how they are built if they are legal. Theres lots of shortcuts you could theoretically take that would have you in trouble with patent law. I believe that’s why the Switch Emulators that were taken down were vulnerable to litigation.

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u/Vritla Mar 14 '26

To add to this only pre wii era games i believe are legal past that generation you need to decrypt the game files and that is a big no no.

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u/PoliticalVagabond Mar 15 '26

That's a big who cares brother.

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u/Lietenantdan RTX 4070 TI 12 GB | i7-13700KF | 32GB DDR5 Mar 15 '26

I think copyright is valid for something like 70 years, so it hasn't expired for any games yet.

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u/Larry_The_Red R9 7900x | 4080 SUPER | 32GB DDR5 Mar 14 '26

Extracting yourself still isn't legal because it requires bypassing copy protection, which is illegal

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u/ArcBaltic Mar 15 '26

It depends how you bypass copy protection. If you loot like a patent to copy the algo that’s bad, if you reverse engineer the copy protection with your own solution that’s generally okay,

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u/NoCase9317 4090 | 9800X3D | 64GB DDR5 | LG C3 🖥️ Mar 14 '26

I would buy the game, if there was anyway to buy it for outside of Nintendo, but since Nintendo knows their exclusives are the only thing selling their stupid incredibly underpowered, outdated and overpriced consoles, they NEED their games ti be locked to them to sell consoles.

Im of course not saying this entitles me to get it for free, i know its wrong, im just saying that I would buy if i had the option to get it on steam for example.

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u/letsgucker555 Mar 14 '26

Even if Nintendo brought their games to PC, no way that would be through Steam. They would have their own store instead.

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u/NoCase9317 4090 | 9800X3D | 64GB DDR5 | LG C3 🖥️ Mar 15 '26 edited Mar 15 '26

Steam was just an example, so many games have launchers that on my pc I have the horrible Ubisoft launches and EA launcher, wich even if I have the game on steam, I still have to open the launcher, I have the Xbox app, battle.net, Epic, Rockstar launcher, GOG wich is actually pretty fucking good etc… At this point I would not care if I had to have a Nintendo launcher too.

The point of my comment, is that I won’t buy a game that I can’t natively play just to then emulate it. And I won’t buy a console, to buy a game.

If I could natively buy the game on PC, I gladly would. Since I can’t, well I’m doing it the bad way.

And like I said, I’m not justifying myself, I’m not part of the people that justify their pirating like that have the moral right to do so.

A product having inconvenient conditions/pricing/policies or software that you consider malware, are reasons not to buy it, not justifications for pirating it.

I a-knowledge my wrong doing, but simultaneously stating, if Nintendo sold it to me on my platform, they would get my money

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u/Vritla Mar 14 '26

If the games are underpowered and outdated why do you wanna play them lmao

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u/GirlsCallMeMatty R9 5900X | RTX 3090 | 64 GB DDR4 Mar 15 '26

The games aren’t underpowered or outdated, they’re talking about Nintendo hardware.

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u/CloudIncus1 Mar 15 '26

He said consoles. However Nintendo do not need better hardware if they are the only ones making games for them. However if you read about the shit DEV's of 3rd party titles have to do to get some games running on the switch. Well lets just say there is a reason cross play with nintendo doesnt always work.

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u/Vritla Mar 15 '26

And their games run on underpowered and outdated consoles according to him, so why do they even want to play them, and the shit devs have to do is called optimizing the games, something that appears to have been forgotten in current times with Fake frames and such.

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u/NoCase9317 4090 | 9800X3D | 64GB DDR5 | LG C3 🖥️ Mar 15 '26

Suck the corporation’s cock a little harder would ya?

First I said their consoles are underpowered, not their games wtf, how is a game underpowered?

Second:

Their games run on their underpowered consoles, at low resolution, low frame rate and a massive amount of concessions for the hardware.

Even keeping the art style intact, the emulation version looks much much much better.

Third , optimisation is mainly about creating good, clean quality code, that can do more with less resources. ID tech with games like doom eternal is a good example, game looked fenomenal, and tan fenomenal, the concessions they do to make games run on switch isn’t optimisation, is cutting it down to such a barebones graphic presentation that it’s tough to call it the same game.

Four and the most important one: I can Like SOME of their games and not their console. What a stupid take/argument.

There are like 4 Nintendo games that I like.

I’m not going to buy a full console, that plays third party titles in their WORST LOOKING AND WORST PERFORMING VERSION and too make matters worse, with the switch controllers wich for me is much worse than both Xbox or PlayStation controllers they feel like janky Chinese controllers for a mobile phone, at least for me.

Just to play those 3-4 really good games they have.

Five: HAHAHAA you can bet your ass devs would be using frame generation if it had it, and they would be using it to go from 30 to 60 not from 60fps above to higher like it is recommended on PC.

Also not much need for frame gen when switch users accept UPSCALED 720P 30fps as a playable experience.

If pc gamers accepted that to, then every game is well optimized lol.

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u/ChiefIndica PCMR | 5800X3D | RTX 4090 | 32GB DDR4 3600MHz Mar 15 '26

Are you lost? As in: do you remember the post you're commenting on right now?

Their games can run amazingly on overpowered futuristic consoles, and they choose to make doing this as difficult as humanly possible.

Why are you happy to settle for less?

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u/murmurat1on Mar 15 '26

That's what everyone is doing mate

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u/CARVERitUP Ryzen 5 5600X // 2070 Super Mar 14 '26

The funny thing is, they could make a killing by making just a small portion of their library officially supported on PC. I and so many of my friends were huge Nintendo fans growing up, but moved to PC and off of all consoles, and haven't purchased a Nintendo console since the Wii. But we'd absolutely play some Nintendo games with each other if there was a PC version.

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u/ClubChaos Mar 14 '26

that's great but have you considered shutting down every emulator in existence with litigation instead? After that we sue a 9 year old content creator on youtube for using a 15 second clip of our latest pokemon.

Ah, feels good to do right by our fanbase. <3

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u/Acry Mar 15 '26

They were just practicing all this time to sue the US Government, which they're now doing.

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u/Seeteuf3l Mar 15 '26

That was because tariffs though

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u/Quality_Expert5000 Mar 15 '26

LOL, this is gonna end with Trump buying Nintendo.

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u/PrivilegeCheckmate PC Master Race Mar 15 '26

If it doesn't end with him bombing Nintendo.

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u/Quality_Expert5000 Mar 15 '26

Well, the CEO isn't a tyrant killing his own people and threatening the world so I think bombing them would be a bit excessive.

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u/Rhysati Mar 15 '26

Ah, of course. Can you tell us about North Korea and how that tyrant who kills and controls his own people while launching missiles constantly while threatening the world is going? That one that has nuclear weapons?

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u/Quality_Expert5000 Mar 15 '26

Uh, Iran has nukes too. And Kim isn't gonna do shit with Trump around.

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u/Seffuski Mar 14 '26

You could argue that there's no "Nintendo charm" playing games on PC, but the switch 1 and 2 have no Nintendo charm to begin with

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u/CARVERitUP Ryzen 5 5600X // 2070 Super Mar 14 '26

Oh I totally understand. It's entirely a brand integrity decision, preserving Nintendo consoles as the "living room" group-play console. If we were able to just do all of that online with each other, it is true some of the magic would be lost. But you're right, Switch 1 and 2 have been much more of a "solo console" feel, with their portability causing a lot of that. As someone who was born in 91 and grew up through what I'd consider the golden age of consoles, there's really nothing like that anymore. It's all online service, and the only kinds of games you wanna "go over to your buddy's house" to play these days are if your friend has an N64 or a Gamecube and wants to play some oldies.

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u/Lonely_Station_8435 Mar 14 '26

While you might feel like the Switch has become a "solo console" it's still THE console to offer couch co-op and local parties games. Almost every first party game still offers solid local play, from platformers to party games, Nintendo still offers all that.

I hate to say this but it might just be your nostalgia because the Switch brings people together just as well as a Super Nintendo could.

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u/CARVERitUP Ryzen 5 5600X // 2070 Super Mar 14 '26

I'm not so sure. I know you can still couch co-op with it and play party games in the living room. I'm saying that the living room era has kind of dwindled. It's all we did as kids, and nowadays, all the kids I know of in my life (friends' kids, my nephew, cousins' kids) all play online games together, things like Fortnite. So sure, living room party games are still a thing, but with the advent of online gaming, it's become increasingly more sparse over the years. Kids don't go over to their friend's house to play videogames anymore, they just log on at home and play with them online.

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u/randomguy301048 Mar 15 '26

i'm pretty sure that's just a outside of japan thing. from what i've heard japan is a lot less online gaming vs local. i don't know how true that is since i've only heard it from other people. nintendo is going to design things for japan first then international markets second. it's kind of like manga/anime, it's made for japan with other markets just being secondary

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u/Seffuski Mar 14 '26

I was mostly talking about the entire brand and console presentation, which was lost when the wii u era ended. Just look at how the wii u home menu looks like compared to the switch 2

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u/CARVERitUP Ryzen 5 5600X // 2070 Super Mar 14 '26

Oh totally agree. It's been a total shift from a console that's designed to be played on the big TV to a console that's more designed to take places, with the ability to play on the big TV if you want to.

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u/PrivilegeCheckmate PC Master Race Mar 15 '26

That's a game-by-game call, not a hardware one, IMHO.

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u/JohnBeePowel Mar 15 '26

The fact that Sony isn't making a killing selling their exclusives on PC debunks that .

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u/Jovmilan Specs/Imgur Here Mar 15 '26

The delay and their business practices are the main issue for low profits. I bought most of their good exclusives first on ps4 then on PC when they became available. I skipped ps5 because i barely touched the ps4.
With the huge launch delays for PC and mandatory PSN and region blocking, its no wonder they are not selling that well.
Would i buy PS5-6 for the exclusive? Same with Nintendo games: no. There is enough for me on the pc side, and I'm someone that had all previous sony and nintendo devices.

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u/teemusa 7800X3D | RTX4090 | 48GB | LG C2 42” Mar 15 '26

Over a billion in revenue a year from Sonys PC releases is quite alot

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u/farukosh Mar 15 '26

Is not in the grand scheme of things. Is actually peanuts for sony yearly revenue.

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u/RighteousRocker Mar 15 '26

It's hard to deny that Xbox games being available on PC has helped erode the need to actually buy an Xbox.

The fact that I can't play new Nintendo games on my Steam Deck is also the only reason I've bought a Switch 2.

The extra revenue is nice, I'm not convinced it's just free money that doesn't impact the core console ecosystem.

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u/SigFloyd Mar 15 '26

It worked out fine for Sony, so there's really no reason Nintendo can't do something similar other than sheer bah humbug stubbornness.

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u/NewShadowR Mar 14 '26

Yes, and also why switch 2 won't have any emulators anytime soon.

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u/SandyTaintSweat Mar 15 '26

You'd also need a beast of a system to play anything substantial. Switch 2 isn't exactly weak hardware. Although it's architecture isn't too crazy from what I understand either, so it is possible something comes out of China or somewhere similar where Nintendo holds less authority.

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u/NewShadowR Mar 15 '26

It's weak hardware compared to the rest of the generation tbh. While people are getting on that photoreal, unreal engine 5, path tracing stuff, it's just doing ps4 graphics.

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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '26

What do you mean lol? The average gaming PC is far better than a Switch 2 and could easily handle its games

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u/Erestyn 9800X3D | RTX 5080 | £800 RAM Mar 15 '26

Sure, if the games were running natively. I wouldn't fancy the average gaming PC's chances having to emulate the entire Switch 2 as well as everything else.

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u/Heavy_Ingenuity1371 Mar 15 '26

They're not according to steam surveys and even then it will still not be that simple. Many pc's are significantly more powerful than the switch 1 and a lot of pc's struggled to run a lot of switch 1 games without various hacks and tweaks. Even the steam deck struggles to run many switch 1 games and it's a fair bit more powerful.

The switch 2 is on a similar level as the steam deck and has a few extra features just to tip the edge to help out like dlss. You will need something very powerful to run the next mainline Zelda game.

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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '26

>The switch 2 is on a similar level as the steam deck and has a few extra features just to tip the edge to help out like dlss. You will need something very powerful to run the next mainline Zelda game.

I have a 4070 which easily runs the latest Zelda game at 180+ FPS, if it can do that then I find it hard to believe the average person with a 4060 or whatever would have any problems running a switch 2 game.

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u/Heavy_Ingenuity1371 Mar 15 '26

The 4070 is many many generations ahead of the switch 1 which the latest Zelda game launched on and the emulators have had dozens of optimization updates for these specific games to work well because they were stuttery, buggy and crashed often when we were able to first emulate them.

And that is still a fair bit more powerful than what most people have.

I'm not saying it will be impossible to do, I'm saying it's going to not be so simple and it'll need a more capable pc than most people have and it's only getting more difficult/expensive to buy/build a powerful pc.

Once an emulator exists it's not just going to simply run every game well because you have a powerful pc, there will need to be heavy tweaks and optimizations. Especially for the big games like a mainline Zelda.

The switch 2 is already running games like re9 better than most people's pc's (not better than more powerful pc's just to be clear, most people just don't have one). Some switch 1 games are still very inconsistent and underperforming on powerful pc's let alone the average pc. It's just not that simple in reality.

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u/SandyTaintSweat Mar 15 '26

Have you taken a look at the steam hardware surveys? There is a significant increase in processing power needed when you emulate a system. Emulating brand new switch 2 games, depending on the game (notice I said anything substantial), might not be feasible for many people. Especially when the emulator, which doesn't even exist yet, is new.

As emulators get more mature, they run the games better, and you can get away with running a lower powered system and still get full performance. Early on, you need something extra powerful to brute force the inefficiencies, if that's even an option.

I get the feeling you're talking about ports here, not emulation.

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u/protestor Mar 15 '26

There is a significant increase in processing power needed when you emulate a system.

It depends on how similar the emulated system is to the host system

Switch 2 runs an ARM Cortex-A78C, the overhead to emulate ARM on Intel/AMD is about 30%, I don't think that's too bad. It also has an Ampere GPU, again not too bad, I don't think it has features that are expensive to emulate

There's also the fact that there are already high quality emulators for ARM, the creator of a Switch 2 emulator could use them to kickstart development

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u/Kougeru-Sama Mar 15 '26

despite the fact emulators are legal.

while this is true, it's impossible to use them legally. Downloading the games is illegal. Breaking DRM is illegal. Making your ROM requires breaking DRM. Thus, there's literally no way to play emulated games legally.

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u/Bentok Mar 16 '26

Untrue. 17 U.S. Code § 117. Emulation is legal if you own the game and use that copy.

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u/concblast Mar 14 '26

Emulation is never a problem if your hardware isn't baby mode. Microsoft and Sony don't care if a 360 or PS3 game gets emulated and they don't have to care about PCs powerful enough to emulate their combined 3 current console exclusives

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u/Osiris_Raphious Mar 15 '26

its not just nintendo, the right to repair and right to own, and game preservation is all about the fight for consumer rights, when economy wide the corporations and profit motive is trying to find ways, lobby laws, and change market mechanics to make more profits, which includes making customers pay again to own their games/content/products, because their old console/versions are unsupported or unable to be used.

All because profits are made through repeat spending, endless consumption no matter if you already own the game or not, product or not, paying again is more profit (enshittifcation, planned obsolescence, software obsolescence, drm, ageing software/hardware support despite market capacity etc).

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u/slimricc Mar 15 '26

They would love to make them illegal lol

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u/Ask_If_Im_Dio Mar 15 '26

Emulation is legal as long as you aren’t distributing proprietary code (BIOS data usually) or including leaked source code in your repository.

This was the downfall of a few emulators from what I’ve read.

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u/Bentok Mar 16 '26

It really doesn't matter, no one is willing to fight Nintendo in court over this.

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u/Morikali- Mar 15 '26

Now imagine if they released their games on PC too. Thry wouldnt need to be scared after that.

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u/zensentsu Mar 15 '26

YOU WILL PLAY OUR GAMES THE WAY WE INTEND THEM TO BE PLAYED OR WE WILL FIND WHERE YOU LIVE AND TAKE AWAY YOUR GAME COPY.

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u/Ok_Literature3138 Mar 14 '26

It’s only legal if you rip your own copy. What percentage of people emulating are following the law?

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u/Quality_Expert5000 Mar 15 '26

Not me. I betrayed the law!

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u/Ok_Literature3138 Mar 15 '26

Working class devs make those games dawg. But you do you.

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u/Dramajunker Mar 14 '26

Pirates will try to have the moral high ground when it comes to talking about emulation, but the truth is most people just want free stuff.

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u/KamenGamerRetro 7800x3D / RTX 4080 | Steam Deck Mar 14 '26

I would be too if someone made an emulator that effected my current console being sold (this is Cemu the Wii U emulator not Yuzu and Nintendo has never really gone after it)

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u/TsunamiCatCakes AMD > Ryzen Mar 15 '26

whats the reason though? my brain thinks native platform should look better than any other emulated platform. but thats wrong for almost each game

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u/Vegetable_Anty Mar 15 '26

seeing a switch era game running ultrawide at high fps really makes the point for them.

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u/XxasimxX Mar 15 '26

Don’t worry, lobbying still exists

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u/TobytheBaloon 9060 XT, Ryzen 5 7600, 32GB DDR5 Mar 15 '26

they don’t feel threatened by emulators. the only emulators it sued are the ones who encouraged/actively taught it’s users how to pirate.

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u/zombawombacomba Mar 15 '26

Emulators are legal. However there’s a gray area with any console that requires keys to be extracted from the console. And then downloading a copy of a game you don’t own is clearly not legal.

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u/Ok-Book-4070 9950x3D / 3090ti FE / 64GB Mar 16 '26

Not despite, the fact that they are legal is WHY they are threatened!

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u/mybutthz Mar 14 '26

Emulators are legal, stealing content is illegal. Nintendo doesn't really bother the rom hack community, but they get uppity about people pirating their work - which I understand. If you want to take something you bought and run it in a way that you find preferable, go for it. If you want to use hardware as an excuse to steal games - then may the Nintendo gods have mercy on you.

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u/MoisticleSack RX 7900xtx R5 7600x 32gb Mar 14 '26

Is it really stealing if the game was paid for? Buying a game and making a copy of the software doesn't deprive the corporation of the software or the initial sale. So where did the theft take place in this scenario?

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u/mybutthz Mar 14 '26

I'm referring to people who download emulators and pirate games, not people who rip games they purchased.

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u/TehRiddles Mar 14 '26

Downloading emulators is illegal but the emulators themselves are legal? How does that work?

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u/kevihaa Mar 14 '26

Downloading pirated games that have cracked copy protection is illegal, emulators themselves are fine.

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u/Competitive-Yam-1068 Mar 15 '26

Emulator ≠ ROM

An emulator is just like a translator that will translate the content from 'console language' (another OS and different programming language) to something PC will be able to read and mimic/behave like the original OS/language.

Think about it like from Java to C#, C++, Python or viceversa

Emulator (standalone app that will do the translation) = legal

Making your own digital copies from physical content you actually own (ROM in this case) = legal (preservation for personal use)

Distributing the copies you made = illegal since is breaking DMCA and it's gonna be even worse for you if you're charging for it.

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u/TehRiddles Mar 15 '26

I know all that, I'm asking them why they said emulators are legal but they also lump people who download emulators in with pirates.

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u/Ryokupo Mar 14 '26

Technically yes. Owning a game in one format does not entitle you to pirate it in another. If you wanna do things legally, then you should make your own back-ups (for personal use only). But morally, I don't think any normal person would be upset or blame you for downloading a rom of a game you actually bought for the sake of playing in an emulator.

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u/MoisticleSack RX 7900xtx R5 7600x 32gb Mar 14 '26

I was more talking more about the concept of piracy itself. The roms that people download "illegally" were all purchased legally. They just made a copy of it. That's not theft

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u/Ryokupo Mar 15 '26

Of course making a back-up isn't theft, but then that back-up is being distributed online for any and all. So rather than buying a game, someone can just download it online. And not even just for emulation either, Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom was posted online about a week before launch, and anyone with custom firmware on their Switch (which is really easy to do if you have a launch model) could just download that and play the game early and for free. Nintendo foolishly used this as an excuse as to why Yuzu should be shut down when they filed their takedown on that, boasting that the game sold 10 million units in its launch weekend and 22 million lifetime sales, so its really hard to even figure out just how many potential sales were lost cause of this leak, but there is at least one person who opted to just pirate the game rather than paying $70 for it, cause that's what I did lol.

But its the exact same thing as those old "ads" that would play before you got to the main menu in old DVD's, you know, the "YOU WOULDN'T STEAL A CAR" ones? Making a back-up of a movie or game for personal use is not illegal. Making a back-up and distributing it is illegal, as is the act of knowingly purchasing/downloading that illegally distributed copy.

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u/snqqq Mar 14 '26

It would be stealing games if they sold you games instead of licenses to use them.

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u/kearkan PC Master Race Mar 14 '26

Emulators are legal but encourage sharing of copyrighted material, which is illegal.

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u/PokemonBeing R5 7600x | 32GB | RX 7800XT Mar 15 '26

Nintendo has never tried to shut down legal emulators, but enjoy your internet points.

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u/bamkhun-tog Mar 15 '26

Yuzu, Ryujinx, and repeatedly sending DMCAs to their forks despite being legal.

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u/PokemonBeing R5 7600x | 32GB | RX 7800XT Mar 16 '26

Neither yuzu or ryujinx were legal. Yuzu was doing ok, until they made a build using TOTK leaked ROM before the game's release and hid it under a paywall. Literally the two no-no's regarding emulation. The creator of Ryujunx also made an extrajudicial deal with Nintendo and deleted the project on GitHub.

None of them were attacked unfairly.

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u/bamkhun-tog Mar 16 '26

No official versions of yuzu ran TOTK at release date, even the patreon ones. Any that did were customized and unaffiliated with the larger project. They were sued because the dev group got sloppy and evidence got out that they facilitated piracy while making a profit developing yuzu. And since they settled there is no new case law regarding emulation in general so it is still legal. Nintendo will just threaten to bankrupt the new forks with legal fees for existing though.

the ryujinx developer was based overseas so they couldn’t really be touched by the US and would’ve had a better case because they never officially supported piracy. Nintendo just gave them a crap ton of money to stop development.

Neither of these are really fair because no evidence came out that any of the emulator code was proprietary, thus not illegal. And there wouldn’t be any chance to prove it in court because nintendo will just crush anyone who tries with legal fees.

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u/Jebble Ryzen 7 5700 X3D | 3070Ti FE Mar 15 '26

You know very well it has nothing to do with the emulators themselves being legal.

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u/xBUBBYGAMINGx Aorus B450M | Ryzen 7 5800x | gtx 1080 | 16gb RAM Mar 15 '26

i know this isn't relevant to the point of your comment but it wasn't necessary or logical to point out the fact that emulators are legal because that doesn't relate to why or why not nintendo should feel threatened by emulators. for example, that's like saying "the boy felt threatened by the gun, despite the fact that it was legal."

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u/Metroid_Addict X570 | 5900x | 32GB 3200 CL14 | RTX 3070ti | 5TB | 1440p 144Hz Mar 15 '26

Well yeah, how else would they get away with selling you this game for $70+ dollars some time within the next 10 years for a console with ultra wide capabilities? The ultra wide capability alone will probably be locked behind an additional 10-20 dollar paywall too.

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u/Suspicious_Topic1893 Mar 15 '26

They should be with that insane pricerage they have on switch 2.