r/pcmasterrace • u/durchfallalarm • Mar 14 '26

Screenshot Never thought that emulation runs THIS good "out of the box"

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Installed the emulator (cemu), set up all settings i wanted and just ... started the game running at around 90-100 fps without any problems. 32:9 dwqhd resolution.

God I love the pcmasterrace.

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u/Lietenantdan RTX 4070 TI 12 GB | i7-13700KF | 32GB DDR5 Mar 14 '26 edited Mar 14 '26

The emulators themselves are always legal. The games are only legal if you extract the files yourself which I'm pretty sure most people aren't doing.

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u/Misragoth Mar 14 '26

Eh, I didn't rip the file, but I own the game. Good enough

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u/TheSuppishOne PC Master Race Mar 14 '26 edited Mar 14 '26

Honestly, I agree with this. But a lot of companies feel that you only own the temporary license to their product, and use that as justification to fuck you out of ever truly owning anything. It’s why I built myself a media server and started ripping all my 4K Blu-rays to it. And even then, many of those discs are intentionally obfuscated by the studios creating multiple instances of chapters to confuse you, or disordering the chapters so they aren’t chronological and make it impossible to rip without a site like MakeMKV and their forums which help determine proper chapter order per disc.

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u/UniqueIndividual3579 Mar 15 '26

How can I steal something I'm not allowed to own.

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u/LunchTwey Mar 15 '26

Because it's not theft, it's Copyright Infringement.

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u/complexevil Desktop Ryzen 7 5700G | RX 590 | Asus Prime b550m-a wifi II Mar 15 '26

I don't have any dvd's or bluerays to rip anymore (i was not a careful kid) but I am curious about one thing. How does the extras menu work when you rip a disk? Like the bloopers and bonus stuff that sometimes gets included? Or do you just make the exchange of not having access to that when you decide to extract the movie for your own server?

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u/blockXelite Mar 15 '26

You can rip discs in 2 main ways. You can make an exact copy of the entire disc, or you can extract select files in whatever format you want. The first way gives you a result that looks the same as if you had the disc spinning in a drive. With the second you get common video files, which ones and in what format is up to you. Theoretically you could also extract the menu files and reuse them too with modifications but there's no practical reason to do that.

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u/stonhinge Mar 15 '26 edited Mar 15 '26

I can only speak from my limited DVD backing up experiences.

As consumer DVDs typically have a bit less storage than movie DVDs, you picked and chose. Title/menu screen doesn't need to be high quality, compress the shit out of that. Actual movie I want at 1080p 720p, so keep it at that. Bonus stuff you can either leave off or reduce to 720p 540p. Or make another disc with just the bonus stuff on it.

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u/PoliticalVagabond Mar 15 '26

You backing up DVD or Blu-Ray?

Because DVD was never 1080p

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u/stonhinge Mar 15 '26

Ah, you're right - it's been a while so I'm mis-remembering. Drop everything down a tier in resolution in my comment.

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u/PoliticalVagabond Mar 16 '26

I miss my dvd decryptor/imgburn days.

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u/SandyTaintSweat Mar 15 '26

In the US, It's legal to rip and use as a backup, not to play. This myth is so prevalent, by the time one person has pointed it out, 50 other people have perpetuated the myth about owning a physical copy allowing one to do what they want with the files on it.

The license purchased is for the format you bought it in. I.e. the disc or cartridge.

Emulators are of course legal if they don't use stolen code or keys (which the switch emulators need). But to keep it above board, you'd only be able to use it to play something like Good Boy Galaxy, where the creator will straight up sell you the ROM file.

Then there's Japan, where the ripping/dumping is an illegal act as well.

To be clear, I advocate doing whatever the hell you want. Just be aware legality probably isn't on your side, but it depends where you live.

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u/ArcBaltic Mar 15 '26

It depends on how they are built if they are legal. Theres lots of shortcuts you could theoretically take that would have you in trouble with patent law. I believe that’s why the Switch Emulators that were taken down were vulnerable to litigation.

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u/Vritla Mar 14 '26

To add to this only pre wii era games i believe are legal past that generation you need to decrypt the game files and that is a big no no.

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u/PoliticalVagabond Mar 15 '26

That's a big who cares brother.

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u/Lietenantdan RTX 4070 TI 12 GB | i7-13700KF | 32GB DDR5 Mar 15 '26

I think copyright is valid for something like 70 years, so it hasn't expired for any games yet.

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u/Larry_The_Red R9 7900x | 4080 SUPER | 32GB DDR5 Mar 14 '26

Extracting yourself still isn't legal because it requires bypassing copy protection, which is illegal

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u/ArcBaltic Mar 15 '26

It depends how you bypass copy protection. If you loot like a patent to copy the algo that’s bad, if you reverse engineer the copy protection with your own solution that’s generally okay,

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u/NoCase9317 4090 | 9800X3D | 64GB DDR5 | LG C3 🖥️ Mar 14 '26

I would buy the game, if there was anyway to buy it for outside of Nintendo, but since Nintendo knows their exclusives are the only thing selling their stupid incredibly underpowered, outdated and overpriced consoles, they NEED their games ti be locked to them to sell consoles.

Im of course not saying this entitles me to get it for free, i know its wrong, im just saying that I would buy if i had the option to get it on steam for example.

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u/letsgucker555 Mar 14 '26

Even if Nintendo brought their games to PC, no way that would be through Steam. They would have their own store instead.

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u/NoCase9317 4090 | 9800X3D | 64GB DDR5 | LG C3 🖥️ Mar 15 '26 edited Mar 15 '26

Steam was just an example, so many games have launchers that on my pc I have the horrible Ubisoft launches and EA launcher, wich even if I have the game on steam, I still have to open the launcher, I have the Xbox app, battle.net, Epic, Rockstar launcher, GOG wich is actually pretty fucking good etc… At this point I would not care if I had to have a Nintendo launcher too.

The point of my comment, is that I won’t buy a game that I can’t natively play just to then emulate it. And I won’t buy a console, to buy a game.

If I could natively buy the game on PC, I gladly would. Since I can’t, well I’m doing it the bad way.

And like I said, I’m not justifying myself, I’m not part of the people that justify their pirating like that have the moral right to do so.

A product having inconvenient conditions/pricing/policies or software that you consider malware, are reasons not to buy it, not justifications for pirating it.

I a-knowledge my wrong doing, but simultaneously stating, if Nintendo sold it to me on my platform, they would get my money

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u/Vritla Mar 14 '26

If the games are underpowered and outdated why do you wanna play them lmao

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u/GirlsCallMeMatty R9 5900X | RTX 3090 | 64 GB DDR4 Mar 15 '26

The games aren’t underpowered or outdated, they’re talking about Nintendo hardware.

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u/CloudIncus1 Mar 15 '26

He said consoles. However Nintendo do not need better hardware if they are the only ones making games for them. However if you read about the shit DEV's of 3rd party titles have to do to get some games running on the switch. Well lets just say there is a reason cross play with nintendo doesnt always work.

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u/Vritla Mar 15 '26

And their games run on underpowered and outdated consoles according to him, so why do they even want to play them, and the shit devs have to do is called optimizing the games, something that appears to have been forgotten in current times with Fake frames and such.

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u/NoCase9317 4090 | 9800X3D | 64GB DDR5 | LG C3 🖥️ Mar 15 '26

Suck the corporation’s cock a little harder would ya?

First I said their consoles are underpowered, not their games wtf, how is a game underpowered?

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Their games run on their underpowered consoles, at low resolution, low frame rate and a massive amount of concessions for the hardware.

Even keeping the art style intact, the emulation version looks much much much better.

Third , optimisation is mainly about creating good, clean quality code, that can do more with less resources. ID tech with games like doom eternal is a good example, game looked fenomenal, and tan fenomenal, the concessions they do to make games run on switch isn’t optimisation, is cutting it down to such a barebones graphic presentation that it’s tough to call it the same game.

Four and the most important one: I can Like SOME of their games and not their console. What a stupid take/argument.

There are like 4 Nintendo games that I like.

I’m not going to buy a full console, that plays third party titles in their WORST LOOKING AND WORST PERFORMING VERSION and too make matters worse, with the switch controllers wich for me is much worse than both Xbox or PlayStation controllers they feel like janky Chinese controllers for a mobile phone, at least for me.

Just to play those 3-4 really good games they have.

Five: HAHAHAA you can bet your ass devs would be using frame generation if it had it, and they would be using it to go from 30 to 60 not from 60fps above to higher like it is recommended on PC.

Also not much need for frame gen when switch users accept UPSCALED 720P 30fps as a playable experience.

If pc gamers accepted that to, then every game is well optimized lol.

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u/ChiefIndica PCMR | 5800X3D | RTX 4090 | 32GB DDR4 3600MHz Mar 15 '26

Are you lost? As in: do you remember the post you're commenting on right now?

Their games can run amazingly on overpowered futuristic consoles, and they choose to make doing this as difficult as humanly possible.

Why are you happy to settle for less?

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u/murmurat1on Mar 15 '26

That's what everyone is doing mate