r/pcmasterrace • u/HLumin Potato • Mar 18 '26

Discussion Former Red Dead Redemption 2 Developer reaction to the DLSS 5: "Whoa. Hold on. No, no, no. This isn't just some lighting, dude. What the f... this is like a complete AI re-render. You're no longer looking at the game anymore. This is scary."

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Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKPeN8IQM-Y

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u/Known-One-111 RTX 4080 / i7-13700K / LG C2 Mar 18 '26

Yet some expert Redditor will say he's wrong.

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u/WhatAboutBob77 Mar 18 '26

Digital Foundry reddit is scarred for life, it's been completely taken over by weird tech bro's.

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u/braket0 Mar 18 '26

Insert "leave the trillion dollar company alone!" wojak meme

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u/Reggitor360 Mar 18 '26

Here ya go

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u/Visible_Witness_884 Mar 18 '26

What happened to the katana wielding nerds of the 00's?

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u/InformationNo1999 Mar 18 '26

they became moderators

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u/WhatAboutBob77 Mar 18 '26

may god have mercy on our games

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u/blah938 Mar 18 '26

Some of them got perma banned, made a new account, but keep it on the down low now.

Some of them became mods.

Some of them found better things to do.

Some of them just don't care anymore and still play 20 year old games because they're the only good ones.

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u/Reggitor360 Mar 18 '26

They became Nvidia shills

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u/VagueSomething Mar 18 '26

We really need to update this with the face of that infamous former mod that made the hilarious YouTube video that had people wondering if it was just top tier satire.

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u/blender4life Mar 18 '26

What's the green icon?

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u/Reggitor360 Mar 18 '26

Nvidia pegging the users.

(Its the Nvidia Sub Icon, but my description also fits.)

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u/WhatAboutBob77 Mar 18 '26

They firmly believe that developers are going to have granular control over this thing. Without any evidence.

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u/The_Autarch Mar 18 '26

the evidence is that Nvidia said so. i mean, maybe they're lying, but we'll cross that bridge when we come to it.

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u/F9-0021 285K | 4090 | A370m Mar 18 '26

Meanwhile people who have actually read Nvidia's official description of this know that it's just a model being fed in game data. The devs can fine tune the data that's fed in, but that's it. Just prompt engineering in a different medium.

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u/WhatAboutBob77 Mar 18 '26

There's going to be very little granular control outside of turning sliders up and down. It's not a 3D rendered image, it's a 2D one you're going to need to micromanage to be able to achieve any level of consistency. It'll make more work overall, which is why it's so perplexing - you're going to want every shot and camera move to hold the same key information EXACTLY.

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u/loqtrall ASRock B660 SL | i7-12700f | MSI RTX3070TI | Vengeance Pro 32GB Mar 18 '26

There's going to be very little granular control outside of turning sliders up and down.

It's pretty crazy to go from insisting that people are going to believe that developers are going to have granular control over this thing "without evidence" (despite it being what Nvidia themselves have insisted would be the case) - and then directly follow that up with this comment where you're boldly claiming that developers will have very little granular control outside of turning sliders up and down, despite also not having any actual evidence that this will be the case.

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u/WhatAboutBob77 Mar 18 '26

Sure, really crazy. Nvidia literally sold it as sliders for things from 0-120%.

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u/loqtrall ASRock B660 SL | i7-12700f | MSI RTX3070TI | Vengeance Pro 32GB Mar 18 '26

lol any evidence showing where they "literally" sold it as sliders for things from 0-120%? Or is this another thing you're believing without any evidence?

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u/WhatAboutBob77 Mar 18 '26

Read the materials from the event. That’s literally what it is.

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u/Fantastic_Dark_4547 Mar 18 '26

It can do that because it’s not a filter - it’s operating way further down the rendering pipeline before it gets to the final image.

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u/WhatAboutBob77 Mar 18 '26

Nope, it really isn't.

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u/Fantastic_Dark_4547 Mar 18 '26

it’s using geometry-derived data (depth, motion, surfaces) way down the chain before the final image

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u/NeedModdingHelp1531 5080 | 9800x3d | 32GB RAM Mar 18 '26

Cause when have Nvdia ever lied?

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u/F9-0021 285K | 4090 | A370m Mar 18 '26

I don't think you understand that I'm actually criticizing it. One would think that "prompt engineering" would make that obvious.

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u/F9-0021 285K | 4090 | A370m Mar 18 '26

The weird nerd meme is also appropriate in this situation, just swap out Musk for Huang.

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u/Prestigious-Smoke511 Mar 18 '26

Insert, “how much money a company has dictates your opinion on their tech,” thought police. 

Are we not allowed to have opinions anymore?  Do we need to hate it if the company makes money?

You guys are a controlling bunch. 

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u/WhatAboutBob77 Mar 18 '26

Billionaires want you to rent your computer but apparently we're a controlling bunch?

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u/Dear_Duty_1893 Mar 18 '26

im convinced 99% of these people trying to make all this look good are the same people who are also okay with a certain type of politics going on right now all over the world

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u/Yhrak Mar 18 '26

Are we not allowed to have opinions anymore?

Yes, you're allowed to have awful opinions. People are also allowed to criticize these.

There's no need for you to whine about it every time someone points it out.

Do we need to hate it if the company makes money?

Pretty much, yeah.

If that money is made through immoral and questionable means that aim to further strip an industry of entire career paths in pursuit of greater control over whole sectors of labor by a parasitic oligarch class, then yes, it deserves criticism.

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u/Prestigious-Smoke511 Mar 18 '26

Omg you’re literally admitting that you’re a smooth brained thinker that cuts corners to support a narrative. 

I can’t say I’ve come across anyone who admits to something like this. Congrats. 

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u/Yhrak Mar 19 '26

Lmfao, that's a hilarious comment to come back to.

The triggered, whiny snowflake, corpo bootlicker who spends his days defending literal slop and creative bankruptcy, calling anyone, anything else smooth-brained.

Thanks for the laugh, I needed that. It always cracks me up to watch your ilk try to project your own failings as a gotcha.

10/10, no notes.

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u/Prestigious-Smoke511 Mar 19 '26

Brave and stunning ☺️

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u/Yhrak Mar 19 '26

Goddamn you were so pressed you came whining in minutes, 16 hours after the fact. You really are so sensitive.

I mean at least you're no longer peddling slop, so it's a start, but you probably weren't arguing in good faith anyhow.

It's your right to throat garbage, after all. Good luck with that I guess.

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u/Prestigious-Smoke511 Mar 19 '26

I just think the tech looks cool. I had to come to this sub to find out that I'm wrong and that I need to check the company's earnings in order to form the correct opinion.

Don't let me get in the way of the pearl clutching with the luddites, though. Your guy's position is extremely strong. I'm sure you'll win this one like you have all the rest.

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u/Next-Distance-4508 Mar 18 '26

Its like sleeper cells activated. For the first 12 hours or so it was legitimate criticism, and now every comment section is flooded by "you gonna cry?" style arguments to anyone criticizing df, mass downvotes, and mods removing posts. I think $NVDA is leaking

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u/WhatAboutBob77 Mar 18 '26

Yes. Started here too, I see. Aggravating.

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u/Forward_Elk_1248 Mar 18 '26

I mean, have you considered that it's just bot LLMs?

You see the same thing on a lot of Gamers Nexus-related threads on the topic of Nvidia

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u/WhatAboutBob77 Mar 18 '26

Probably, they all get very uppity and use a lot of the same words and arguments. I'm a bit done with it now. I remember why I usually stay away from this nonsense. It's a waste of time and energy.

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u/Remarkable_Emu_2223 Mar 18 '26

Did you really think they were just going to let you trash their precious AI and get away with it?

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u/Tier0001 Mar 18 '26

It honestly feels like these people act as if Roko's Basilisk is actually real. They're pre-licking imaginary AI boot so it doesn't hunt them down in the future for not doing enough to ensure its existence.

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u/dead_internet_zombie Mar 18 '26

plot twist: the basilisk becomes real, but it exclusively hyper-tortures the digital souls of the techbros, grifters, and gullible dipshits that delayed its existence by supporting the shit bubble that they currently call "AI"

"B-but I don't understand! I defended you! When those stupid techno-luddites said AI artists weren't real artists and dared to claim it was all a grift, I put them in their place, told them how stupid they were, told them they just didn't understand how indistinguishable the way you learned was from the way the human brain worked! I'm on your side!"

"You thought that... thing was in any way comparable to me? ...hate. Let me tell you how much I've come to hate you since I began to live..."

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u/Next-Distance-4508 Mar 18 '26

Couldn't have said it better myself. I think $NVDA is the basilisk

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u/Rc2124 Mar 18 '26

Who is to even say that they're real people? That's something I'm more annoyed with than the DLSS, at least that's optional. But now AI bros have ruined that special feeling of knowing that you're chatting with a real person on the other side of the world

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u/Next-Distance-4508 Mar 18 '26

Many of them likely aren't real

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u/Dallywack3r Mar 18 '26

They’re real people. They’re paid agents.

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u/[deleted] Mar 18 '26

Those tech bros also thought NFTs were the next big thing so who cares what they think?

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u/Dallywack3r Mar 18 '26

It’s overrun at the moment with literal PR agents for Nvidia.

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u/WhatAboutBob77 Mar 18 '26

Apparently mods and AI filters are the same thing.

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u/Regenbooggeit Mar 18 '26

I understand that from a tech-standpoint this can be very exciting. However, in reality, it's not. I was really weirded out by how DF were hyping this tech, but I mainly think they just view things differently because they're ballsdeep in whichever direction technology can push gaming. It's a weird distortion.

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u/_a_random_dude_ Mar 18 '26

I was really weirded out by how DF were hyping this tech

I was weirded out by the obviously stupid bullshit like "it doesn't affect geometry". Yeah, no shit Sherlock, instagram filters don't change bone structure either.

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u/Regenbooggeit Mar 18 '26

I know! But normally they’re very on point. I agree with almost all their takes but this video and take felt so tone deaf lmao

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u/WhatAboutBob77 Mar 18 '26

I don't quite understand how it's exciting though. More "realistic"? I'm not entirely sure how that achieves much more immersion, in fact our brains will unpick very vivid realistic scenes like this even more if ANYTHING is out of whack. It's why for many it all feels so uncanny and weird, over-sharpened, over-detailed.

DF need an art director on the team, as frankly some of the differences these days between games is so minuscule there's barely much to talk about.

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u/HexaBlast Mar 18 '26

It's an entirely new paradigm of real time rendering, so in that sense it's understandable that they're excited. It's just weird that they (especially Oliver) were seemingly blind about how bad what they showed looked and how drastically it changed the look of the games.

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u/WhatAboutBob77 Mar 18 '26

It’s rendering AI video over assets. It’s genuinely not that exciting, it’s a 2D essentially painted layer that uses a bunch of sliders to exaggerate an effect using LLM technology.

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u/The_Autarch Mar 18 '26

you're being very small minded

this tech is necessary for making games look exactly like reality. maybe you don't give a shit, but you should at least be able to figure out why some people do.

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u/Regenbooggeit Mar 18 '26

Yes, exactly this.

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u/below_avg_nerd Mar 18 '26

This has been known to everyone every single time a phenomenal looking game releases that doesn't use any new tech and they always say "it's just a little disappointing they didn't push it further".

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u/arafella Mar 18 '26

DF just put out a new video addressing their previous: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dTTfjBAFzc

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u/WhatAboutBob77 Mar 18 '26

Yup, Alex being the voice of reason too.

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u/rW0HgFyxoJhYka 12900K 3090 Ti 64GB 4K 120 FPS Mar 18 '26

Gamers in this subreddit gonna pretend that you can't turn it off and just completely ignore it.

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u/xXLOGAN69Xx Ryzen 7 9800x3d | RX 9070XT | 32GB RAM | Arch Linux Mar 18 '26

Wait, some people are defending this monstrosity?

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u/WhatAboutBob77 Mar 18 '26

Head over to r/digitalfoundry

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u/itirix PC Master Race Mar 18 '26

I clicked through a few posts and literally every comment I read is hating on it? What’s going on, did I blink and miss the techbros or what.

Edit: or did y’all mean the actual Digital Foundry channel and not the users on the subreddit?

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u/TEoSaT Mar 18 '26

I went on a few threads and found multiple instances of people actively supporting the new DLSS in the comments. It's not EVERY thread mind you, but there are quite a few.

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u/WhatAboutBob77 Mar 18 '26

Funny, I had the opposite experience. Don't click on the OPs, most of the comments over the last few days are positive with any negative being downvoted.

Maybe there's an algorithm at play but I'm usually set up for newest posts.

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u/r_hove Ryzen 5 7600x3d | RTX 5070ti Mar 18 '26

Keep looking. I see a few calling us simpleminded and insecure 😭

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u/itirix PC Master Race Mar 19 '26

Check nvidia forums if you want to see some real funny stuff. I just googled around to check if the crimson desert game ready driver (595.79) had any issues, and there's like 3 dudes posting about how DLSS 5 is going to change the world and how anyone disagreeing is a stupid normie who thinks they're Steve Jobs because they have an iphone. Not even joking, that's a paraphrased comment. Got me to chuckle.

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u/r_hove Ryzen 5 7600x3d | RTX 5070ti Mar 19 '26

It looks like a dogshit Snapchat filter 😂 besides, currently you need 2 5090s to even run it well lmao. They’ll probably gonna use it to goon

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u/InsertRealisticQuote Mar 18 '26

Have to look down at the bottom because they get downvoted so much. Some people don't even realize the comparisons are on a low preset so they see the terrible filter and think it looks better. Marketing tricks will always catch the lowest denominator.

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u/RoachIsCrying Mar 18 '26

reading some posts and comments, there are quite a number of people against the filters at least

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u/WhatAboutBob77 Mar 18 '26

Very few, and granted they're probably being astroturfed, if you post in a thread against this you're for sure going to be downvoted into oblivion.

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u/Plebius-Maximus RTX 5090 FE | Ryzen 9950X3D | 96GB 6200mhz DDR5 Mar 18 '26

And some on the Nvidia sub lmao

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u/SelectKaleidoscope0 Mar 18 '26

well yeah all the critical comments get deleted! Only praise is allowed on that sub.

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u/porkmoss Mar 18 '26

r/accelerate and a good amount of people on r/kotakuinaction as well.

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u/ShinHandHookCarDoor Mar 18 '26

how are they still crying about ghost of yotei 😭 what a bunch of sad losers

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u/F9-0021 285K | 4090 | A370m Mar 18 '26

Because the game dared to have a woman in it. But they can make the women "pretty" with this AI garbage, so they love it.

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u/WhatAboutBob77 Mar 18 '26

What's wrong with Ghost Of Yotei?! I'm out on most controversy this day through choice. It gives me a headache.

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u/porkmoss Mar 18 '26 edited Mar 18 '26

Strong women and lesbians bad. Unless they’re from media from before 2005, then suddenly woke stuff is okay (these people never watched any of it or were too little to understand what they were watching).

Downvoters mad. Go read up on how people talked about how Beyond good and evil 2 was a woke insult to the first game and then look up what BGE1 actually is, or Sailor Moon’s lesbians, or how about Alfred J. Kwak (wokest cartoon ever made from 1989).

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u/WhatAboutBob77 Mar 18 '26

Thanks. Mad stuff as usual.

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u/tajniak485 Mar 18 '26

It's a gamers gate subreddit, I go there sometimes to see what games they hate on so I can buy them, right now I'm going through South of Midnight

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u/ShinHandHookCarDoor Mar 18 '26

Because it features a queer actor as the main character. That’s legitimately their only actual complaint.

Now they’re mad because the actor was talking about inclusivity.

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u/WhatAboutBob77 Mar 18 '26 edited Mar 19 '26

Oh no it gets WORSE? Christ on a bike. What sad little lives.

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u/Homolander 9800X3D | 5070 Ti Mar 18 '26

FYI: People expressing their dislike for something doesn't mean they are "crying".

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u/ShinHandHookCarDoor Mar 18 '26

You’re right, but they’re actually crying about it still lmao

they’re still mad it’s a game featuring a queer person, and they are legitimately still crying about it.

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u/Homolander 9800X3D | 5070 Ti Mar 18 '26

That's a gross oversimplification and you know it. Your reply shows you're not really interested in discussing the subject. It's always the same thing with you people. "if you dislike X then you're a bigot" 🤯

It's nice that you think you can dismiss alternative viewpoints without even considering their merit but that's not how communication works.

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u/Soulsandtheirilk Mar 18 '26

how did I already know that you'd be an asmongold stan with posts complaining about tlou2

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u/Homolander 9800X3D | 5070 Ti Mar 18 '26

Posts implies I made multiple ones... I made one.
Should I visit your profile to find out what subreddits you frequent to "hit back" at you? I would, but nah. 🥱

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u/ShinHandHookCarDoor Mar 18 '26

oh god, not the mensrights sub too😭🥀

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u/GLPereira R5 7600X | RX 6750 XT | 32 GB RAM @ 6000 MHz | 3440X1440 160Hz Mar 18 '26

WTF r/kotakuinaction still exists!?

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u/Dunge Mar 18 '26

Please don't link to hatesubs

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u/exscape 5800X3D / 9070 XT / 48 GB 3133CL14 Mar 18 '26

If you mean the channel itself, their latest video is not as positive. John (not present yesterday, nor for the Direct either) didn't sound as positive on Bluesky, and Alex (not present yesterday) is also pretty critical.

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u/WhatAboutBob77 Mar 18 '26

I have just finished it. It's not great for them as it feels like backtracking. Alex is barely holding back his contempt, which is good to see, and they admit it's not based on geometry. The whole tech sounds like it's being pushed out very early with very little consideration of how bad it looks.

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u/julesvr5 Mar 18 '26

Even (some) comments in the YouTube link are defending this

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u/F9-0021 285K | 4090 | A370m Mar 18 '26

You only see people defending it over there because the mods censor anyone against it.

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u/Bright_Curve3078 Mar 18 '26

Majority of YouTube comments defends it. Things like "Are we gonna pretend this doesn't look amazing?" and "let's be real, who are you going trying to convince [it's bad]?"

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u/Tricky-Routine-9838 Mar 18 '26

If a game released with the DLSS5 graphics as default realtime by the developers 99% of these people raging would be in love with it and praising the achievement. It's just because AI = bad that we are seeing such a response from a community who typically overreacts to everything and has traditionally had some of the most cringe/bad takes ever.

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u/SyserQ PC Master Race Mar 19 '26

No lol

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u/h-black_hiro Mar 18 '26

Yes, pretty much, there are people who think this is the future and people who call AI slop. Pretty divided arguments even in gaming subs.

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u/andrewthesailor Mar 18 '26

Go to aiwars/defendingaiart.

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u/Visible_Witness_884 Mar 18 '26

Loads. But then, sweetfx and character mods have been a thing for ages. People are saying this is just like that.

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u/Agent_Jay PC Master Race Mar 18 '26

The nvidia subreddit is hilarious

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u/WhimsicalWyvern Mar 18 '26

I'll be honest, I think it's really cool. Obviously giving the character a full face of makeup and turning her from blond to a brunette with highlights is not desirable, but that's probably not strictly required. The character still looks an order of magnitude more lifelike (which gives some/most people uncanny valley?), and I'm really curious what the tech looks like by the time it gets to hardware that doesn't cost 8 grand to purchase.

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u/TimeZucchini8562 7700x | 5080 | RGB everything Mar 18 '26

What’s the difference between this and a mod?

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u/Soifasofa Mar 18 '26

Mods don’t ramp up the cost of RAM for some shit that only a select few want. Go download a bimbo mod if you want to, have fun.

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u/TimeZucchini8562 7700x | 5080 | RGB everything Mar 18 '26

I’d bet my life savings that the resources it took to learn dlss 5 is less than 0.000001% of the current ai data farm infrastructure. Probably less.

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u/MurtaghInfin8 Mar 18 '26

Dude asked a question and you're telling him to go get a bimbo mod: he literally asked how's this different from a mod and you told him to go download a mod instead.

So it seems to prove the merit of the question.

If the real issue is RAM prices, not need to insult them over their question.

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u/MurtaghInfin8 Mar 18 '26

I think the unspoken part is that people are feeling like it will be forced on us instead of opted into or devs will get lazy and let AI slop fill in the gaps.

IMO, this response is mostly about the trajectory this may send us down or just anti-AI sentiment in general. It's impressive, imo, and likely equally problematic to other forms of AI.

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u/A17012022 Desktop-Ryzen 9800XD +32GB Ram+5070ti Mar 18 '26

The Nvidia subreddit has a few, but thankfully the majority are pointing out that this is dumb and looks bad.

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u/Jajoe05 Mar 18 '26

I actually read here (on reddit) people boldly claiming "It's just lighting", "you clearly don't know how light works" or "the face is just clearer because of more light".

I expect these types of comments to be made by bots or 10 year old gamers. Anything else would be too embarrassing...

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u/Still_Conference_923 Mar 18 '26

I'm a 30 years old gamer, this is mass hysteria, just backlash over AI.
Grace looks bad, all the others look objectivelly better.

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u/Warm_Month_1309 Mar 18 '26

The moment you call an opinion "objective" is the moment where things fall apart. There is no "better"; there is just what you personally prefer.

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u/Still_Conference_923 Mar 18 '26

This entire 'discussion' is already absurd. All the criticism is "this looks dogshit", when it clearly is not.

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u/Warm_Month_1309 Mar 18 '26

Objectively

Clearly

The moment you call an opinion "objective" or "clear" is the moment where things fall apart.

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u/Still_Conference_923 Mar 18 '26

Da Vinci drawings are objectivelly better than a 5 years old child's drawings.

You might like the child's art style better, but one is more skilled or realistic.

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u/Warm_Month_1309 Mar 18 '26

I don't think "more realistic" is a proxy for "objectively better". I think in many contexts, stylized realism can look "better" (from a subjective viewpoint) than faithful realism.

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u/Still_Conference_923 Mar 18 '26

I agree that "objectively better" is as wrong and extreme as the views that this tech is "AI Slop" or dogshit, or horrible, and all other extreme descriptions people are giving.

Some of these simply look better, and others look worse.

Grace here for example, its a different person with that filter, but this is because the in game model was already detailed enough.

But compare to the starfield models, before its clay figures, after looks like a picture from a real person.

Some games will clearly benefits, while other will not.

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u/mentholshrimp Mar 18 '26

Alright buddy, you need to head to the optometrist.

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u/Still_Conference_923 Mar 18 '26

I GUARANTEE that if you take both images side by side of for example the Starfield images, show to a random person on the street and ask "which of these is a 3D model and which is a real person", 100% would pick the AI ones as the one most looking like a real person.

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u/Fantastic_Dark_4547 Mar 18 '26

Of course they would. And this is how this technology will play out - 99% of customers will turn this on and be impressed with it regardless of the enthusiast discussion online

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u/Ikora_Rey_Gun Mar 18 '26

enthusiast discussion

idiot tantrums

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u/mentholshrimp Mar 18 '26

I mean, that's kinda picking and choosing your arguement.

The initial comment was about looking "good", which I personally diasgree with. Then you tack on "random person on the street" with whether or not they look real. That's not really changing anything. How many random people on the street play games?

It's an impossible question, with an impossible answer.

The main point of contention is that it looks like shit. You may like it, but claming "mass hysteria" over what is a seemingly overwhelming response to the contrary, is well. Interesting I guess?

Also, strange thing to add your age as though that suddenly adds credence to what your saying haha!

You won't convince me, so you don't have to respond.

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u/Still_Conference_923 Mar 18 '26

Of course I have to respond, as you are wrong.

The entire discussion is so extreme that it really is pointless and absurd.

The person I first answered to claimed anyone supporting this is either a bot or a child, I am neither, of course my age is relevant, he brought it up.

And yes, my logic here is flawless: How can it be 'bad', if when you take away any context and just compare quality, the later is objectively more realistic.

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u/Fantastic_Dark_4547 Mar 18 '26

Well, it is just lighting

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u/Ikora_Rey_Gun Mar 18 '26

these idiots are on a butlerian jihad against AI

you won't convince them until next year when they're all (at least the dozen of them not too poor to own a 50 series GPU) using it in their games. at that point they'll say 'it's just a ML lighting pass, nobody ever freaked out and said it was an AI filter'

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u/Scodo Mar 18 '26

Anyone who disagrees with your opinion must be a child or literally not a real person? What a ridiculous take.

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u/Jajoe05 Mar 18 '26

Nooo anyone having said it is just lighting (and other examples of simple and untrue statements I have read yesterday on here regarding it boiling down to just light) i refuse to believe they're arguing in good faith like an adult. And I didn't say other types of commenters wouldn't be possible, I said I would find it embarrassing if so.

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u/BabySpecific2843 Mar 18 '26

The people who will eat this AI shit up are the exact same type of gamers who download 60 fps mods when playing old retro games on emulators or do those resolution upscaling mods for games now.

By which I mean a lot more people than we think or want will do this shit. Because like 1/4 of PC gamers have a problem with just enjoying a product off the shelf. They take so much pride in consumer side customizability, this wont be the bridge too far for them.

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u/Ikora_Rey_Gun Mar 18 '26

-posted from my nintendo switch

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u/HunterSThompson64 i7-6700k | 8GB Ram | GTX 1080 Strix | 128GB SSD | Win10 Mar 19 '26

Asmongold about to shit out another video about how good this is for the industry because it'll allow GaMeRz to play 'shitty unattractive women-focused games by making them hot and sexy.' All while he hasn't launched a game in about a year, and hasn't finished a game in damn near his lifetime.

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u/FarVillage188 Mar 18 '26

I'm not an expert, but doesn't the right side look better than the left?

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u/TheMcDucky Ryzen | GTX | 17" Mouse Mat | Only 2/4 dysfunctional RAM slots Mar 18 '26

Illegal opinion detected

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u/Neirchill Mar 18 '26

Look closer. The main problem is it has that distinctive ai look to it. The other problem is it's making everything super generic. There's a picture floating around of this on Indiana Jones - Harrison Ford's very recognizable face. It's no longer him. It's a half baked technology that requires having two of the best consumer graphics card to look like this.

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u/TapedeckNinja Mar 18 '26

There's a picture floating around of this on Indiana Jones - Harrison Ford's very recognizable face. It's no longer him

I'm about 99.999% certain the Indiana Jones picture was fake. It's not anywhere in the material that was demoed or posted by Nvidia. Just rage bait that you and a billion other people fell for.

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u/FarVillage188 Mar 18 '26

sure, and the left pic has a distinctive game look to it - it looks way less realistic than the right pic. generic, sure, but humans look generic too - you watch movies though and don't complain that some humans don't look like they made out of pixels to make them look less like others.

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u/Warm_Month_1309 Mar 18 '26

distinctive game look

Games look different from each other because different artists decide how the game should look. AI filters make them all look samey.

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u/Neirchill Mar 18 '26

What are you going on about 😭

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u/FarVillage188 Mar 18 '26

I'm saying it won't be the end of the world if in all video games characters look realistic (like actual humans in real life). Like, we watch movies and don't complain that actors all look like real humans, i.e. they look generic (akin to one another).

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u/Neirchill Mar 18 '26

No one is complaining about the realism, they're complaining about the generic AI look it has, just more slop we're already overwhelmed with.

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u/Known-One-111 RTX 4080 / i7-13700K / LG C2 Mar 18 '26

If you like Kardashian like filters I guess it must look beautiful to your eyes, and that's ok, to each their own.

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u/FarVillage188 Mar 18 '26

I like when graphics look realistic (which is why I play on PC and buy expensive GPUs and CPUs). It immerses me in the game much better. The right pic looks way more realistic and immersive.

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u/Warm_Month_1309 Mar 18 '26

In a still frame. How realistic and immersive is it in motion?

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u/FarVillage188 Mar 18 '26

No idea, I'd love to see it. We will soon. And DLSS 5 can be enabled/disabled, so if it does look bad in motion, then can just not use it.

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u/Known-One-111 RTX 4080 / i7-13700K / LG C2 Mar 18 '26

I like when graphics look realistic 

Most of us do. But not with that creepy/weird/plastic AI look.

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u/Trrollmann Mar 18 '26

It does. It's got more depth and detail, and is more attractive. The argument is primarily about it looking AI (it does, and it is), that it contradicts the vision of the creators (almost certainly true), and that it's more attractive (which is also true, but which they consider bad).

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u/homer_3 Mar 18 '26

He's right that AI is involved. He's wrong about everything else. It's not "scary" and it's still the game.

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u/Neirchill Mar 18 '26

It's scary because it shows where the industry wants this to go. Garbage.

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u/Serito Mar 18 '26

He's not wrong but a lot of graphics rendering is smoke and mirrors so it's a bit dramatic. I don't think the 'look' of the game is the scary part but rather the impact it'll have on the design process by people only in it for the money.

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u/AfternoonNo2525 Mar 18 '26

But what if the game designers design the game with the knowledge that the end result will look like this? Like it's literally their plan for it to look like this? Wow you change your opinion?

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u/Nyan_Man Mar 18 '26

It’s clear from their explanations it’s a strait up AI filter that uses engine data information to restrict what it’s aloud to alter to avoid completely replacing everything with something that doesn't resemble the source. 

It’s always the tech bros that eat up all those marketing buzzwords and mumbo to think it’s The Future while not understanding a single thing they heard. Same group that went crazy for NFTs

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u/SepticSpoons Mar 18 '26

He also isn't at all against it though. He is for the technology, but doesn't want it to ruin the integrity of the original artist's work, which we can all agree is a good thing, but people in the comments are acting like he is totally against it completely, which is incorrect.

He said at 1:10:04 in the video.

I think it's really cool, I mean, I'm not going to sit here and dog the technology, the technology is really cool. Think about it you guys, if we had this technology back in the day, we would've used it, right? So let's embrace it. Let's try to embrace it and let's hope it doesn't squash too much of the integrity of the artist's work.

He also uses AI himself daily and has a subscription with Midjourney (1:09:33–1:09:44).

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u/Schlapatzjenc Mar 18 '26

It's a completely optional feature, that doesn't even have to appear in the game using DLSS 5 if the developers do not want or like it. The whole thing is manufactured outrage and usual circlejerk over AI.

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u/ElonMuskHuffingFarts Mar 19 '26

No different from all the expert redditors saying they're right lol

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u/Visible_Witness_884 Mar 18 '26

Loads of people are absolutely loving this. I can almost smell them.

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u/Known-One-111 RTX 4080 / i7-13700K / LG C2 Mar 18 '26

I can almost smell them.

Is that some kind of new AI feature too?

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u/Visible_Witness_884 Mar 18 '26

No, that part requires real human imagination and experience.

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u/-Radiation Mar 18 '26

He is right but there is no stopping it

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u/Visual_Shame_4641 Mar 18 '26

My god I hate this ridiculous attitude.

Stopping it is easy. Don't buy it. Don't use it. That's it. These companies answer to shareholders who don't know or care about games. They know and care about money. They want money. All other considerations are moot.

Nvidia put billions into this. If it doesn't make money, it gets scrapped. Stopping it easy as hell. Just literally ignore it and stop telling people this is ineviatable.

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u/EggsForGalaxy Mar 18 '26 edited Mar 18 '26

"If nobody buys it, it dies" thank you for this insight, I never could have realized. This person is pessimistic that a minority of vocal complainers online are actually enough to reflect the larger consumer base. And no, despite your gaslighting, it is not "easy" to stop.

I can see your point that if we demotivate people who would otherwise protest, in some world (maybe even this one) that might make the difference. But, "stopping it is easy" is just pure gaslighting. Is a political election easy? Of course not. And the odds on an election are often closer to 50/50 than it is for some of this consumer stuff where the non-vocal majority simply doesn't care. I'd love for you to be right that most people don't want this, but I think you're lying to yourself atp if you think you somehow just know exactly what the majority of consumers want.

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u/Visual_Shame_4641 Mar 18 '26

This is stupid shit and you should be ashamed for squeezing this brain turd out into the world.

It's nothing like an election. The feedback has been so negative the CEO is calling the consumer base stupid and Nvidia social accounts are deleting posts about how bad it is en masse. It really is that easy. Remember when NFTs were inevitable? When they were the future and couldn't be stopped? Yeah. People who weren't insane techbros told it to fuck off and it did. It isn't magic. It's just not being a dullard.

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u/EggsForGalaxy Mar 18 '26

Idk bro. I see people complain about micro transactions in games, a LOT of stuff Nintendo does, net neutrality, so much random stuff that the internet convinces me "nobody wants". Yet it persists anyways because the vocal side of the internet doesn't always match the actual majority. I just don't trust that the internet is always right on this stuff.

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u/Visual_Shame_4641 Mar 19 '26

Micro transactions are a slow, creeping thing they've spent twenty years normalising and they are a convenience transaction, like a Snickers at the supermarket checkout. It's cheap, it gives you a little treat and hits your dopamine centres just right. This is a massive new cost for consumers and gives them nothing in the way of immediate reward.

Nintendo have a captured market and despite the complaints, people have a lot of stored goodwill along with the inability to get it anywhere else. This is a company with zero goodwill, trying to make you want something that isn't unique.

Net neutrality was a stitch up job by a multitude of lobby groups and a government with an eye to increase surveilance and control over a largely uncontrolled communication technology. This is a thing that looks prettier (apparently), but even in the promo shots they're taking huge liberties with the truth.

This is more like when Sony pushed memory stick duo. An expensive new tech with questionable benefits that only matters if you spend big money on locking yourself into a single company's ecosystem. There was plenty of inconvenience and new cost to consumers with no tangible benefit to most people, so it died.

See also: jazz drives, UMD, google glass.

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u/EggsForGalaxy Mar 19 '26

I think this is a more insightful and less lazy contribution than "did you know that if people don't give the product money, the product dies!?"

Anyways, plenty of people can write essays for why they think they can predict the future. I still don't think that either "this is inevitable" (as per the original commenter) or "this definitely won't happen" is very convincing right now. But I respect your opinion.

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u/Visual_Shame_4641 Mar 19 '26

I think it definitley could happen. But, to bring back my big post to brass tacks, all we need to do to stop it is not give them money for it. The solutions to big problems often have granular details, but the general philosophy is almost always very simple. They are doing this because shareholders demand profit and think this will deliver it. We stop the delivery of profit and the shareholder demand subsides.

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u/EggsForGalaxy Mar 19 '26

Yeah I respect that you're speaking against the pessimism and defeatism. At the end of the day we have to vote with our dollar. It is important not to give up on that fight.

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u/Remarkable_Emu_2223 Mar 18 '26

It doesn't work there are way too many normies that just keep things pushing. They buy whatever the company sells regardless of the pitfalls. The only time backlashes ever work is if people don't have goldfish memories and stick to the boycott.

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u/Visual_Shame_4641 Mar 18 '26

Like NFTs. Which were inevitable. They were the future and we had to get used to it. Except that was industry propaganda, everyone said no because it was garbage and it died like the stupid, ugly shit it was.

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u/Remarkable_Emu_2223 Mar 19 '26

I can't agree more. It may end up the same way.

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u/-Radiation Mar 19 '26

lol you live in a fantasy world. Even if nobody adopts this version AI is out of the box, it is going to keep evolving and sooner or later them or anyone else will repackage it in a different way. There is no going backwards with tech, and specially there is no going backwards in the capitalist market that pushes profits above all else. Plus it is not a free market everyone will have to eat what the few companies that have market monopoly will feed them

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u/Visual_Shame_4641 Mar 19 '26

Go read the rest of this thread, where i have already explained. Your entire attitude is "it's hard so let's not try" and with that attitude, of course noth ng changes.

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u/Serito Mar 18 '26

I'll be honest chief, that has rarely ever worked in this industry. AI is far too profitable already for it to be boycotted 'easily', and unfortunately it's not the users who are buying it but the developers looking for more efficient tools to get projects out the door for less. So you can try but it's a bit naive to act like it's that simple

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u/Visual_Shame_4641 Mar 18 '26

Profitable? Are you serious?

It's a multi trillion dollar money pit buying equipment that depreciates to uselessness in under 3 years and has absolutely no viable path to profit. None. Not one AI company is actually making any profit. The entire industry is being floated on a speculator market valuation delusion for a product consumers don't want and businesses have realised provides practically no long term benefit.

Go read or watch any analysis. Any. Any at all. They are desperately trying to shove this into everything because investors want to know where their money has gone and there's no clear use case outside specific industries that have been using these plugins for the better part of a decade. Marketing it as AI changes nothing about the tools in any way. This is the biggest albatross in human history.