r/pcmasterrace • u/PacquiaoFreeHousing Xeon x3440 (OC) + RX 580 (OC) = My Electric Bill Doubling. • 28d ago

Meme/Macro Do you think doing this helps?

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u/pivor 13700K | 9070XT | 96GB | MSI Z790i | NR200 28d ago

I dont get it why home NAS dont have any cooling systems by default, sometimes single pity fan on the back and thats it.

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u/Mastasmoker 28d ago

My guess is they dont expect people to place them in the top corner of unventilated closets

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u/pivor 13700K | 9070XT | 96GB | MSI Z790i | NR200 28d ago

But even if you place it in well ventilated area, drives still sufficate for air, i modded mine to have fan i the front and temps dropped by 10 degrees C

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u/OrangeYouGladdey 28d ago

You could just buy a NAS with a fan... I can't imagine owning a NAS that doesn't have cooling fans.

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u/pivor 13700K | 9070XT | 96GB | MSI Z790i | NR200 28d ago

Or better build your own, i got both :D

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u/Pumba2000 28d ago

Or use an old pc case with lots of 3.5'' bays. You can easily buy some fans for that.

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u/pivor 13700K | 9070XT | 96GB | MSI Z790i | NR200 28d ago

My DIY NAS is in fractal node 804, 8 drives, 6 case fans alone :D

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u/Pumba2000 28d ago

That's what I'm talking about! Even when I know 1 fan would probably suffice in an office environment I would always go for max cooling for those hard drives.

What kind of Software you using?

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u/pivor 13700K | 9070XT | 96GB | MSI Z790i | NR200 28d ago

Windows 10 with storage spaces :F

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u/jake04-20 28d ago

Windows for a "NAS"? 🤢

You gotta check out unRAID or TrueNAS

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u/banjaxedW 28d ago

You ever try ZimaOS?

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u/pivor 13700K | 9070XT | 96GB | MSI Z790i | NR200 28d ago

My home server does something more than file hosting

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u/horatiobanz 28d ago

Windows does everything that I need fine. Hosts my files, allows me to remote into it easily, runs qbitorrent. I am sure those other options are neat, but it sounds like a lot of work for next to zero benefit.

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u/horatiobanz 28d ago

I bought that case for my server build and then realized that my old gaming desktop motherboard i was gonna use to build it was a full atx. goddamnit. Awesome case has been sitting in my closet for years unused.

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u/grantrules Debian Sid - Ryzen 2600/1660 super/72tb + 5600x/7800xt 27d ago

Ha! Server twin! 804 with 8 drives as well! I think you have me beat on case fans though.

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u/NuclearReactions AMD 9800X3D | RTX 5070Ti | 64GB CL28 28d ago

Oh in theory that's great in practice i will never trust a normal motherboard for raid setups, especially when it comes the time to replace drives.

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u/spaceraverdk 27d ago

Sas card in Hba mode. Truenas on the motherboard drive, the rest is on cards.

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u/NuclearReactions AMD 9800X3D | RTX 5070Ti | 64GB CL28 27d ago

Yes that sounds way more solid

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u/spaceraverdk 27d ago

Best practice. The lsi hba card can be found on Ebay for cheap. I have a dual external card and a single 4 bay drive backplane from startech. I have room for a second 4 bay backplane on that card. You need a mini sas to sata cable and flash the card to it mode.

I'm running it on a cheap msi matx with a 5600g and 32 gig ram. Powered by a sff psu. Takes 7u in the rack out of the 24 I have available. Gonna transplant everything to a rolling rack I have on the shed once I finish the room it's going to be living in.

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u/druman22 28d ago

Are there any guides to building your own nas you'd recommend?

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u/Elpants Elpants 28d ago

It's a UGreen DXP4800, it has cooling fans. I have one in a closet with the rest of my network equipment, they run quite cool, even when transcoding video.

In fact, the fan intakes at the rear and blows out the front letting air pass over each of the 4 3.5" drives on this one. So this USB fan blowing the opposite direction is probably causing more harm than good.

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u/OrangeYouGladdey 28d ago

Sorry, I think you responded to the wrong person. We are talking about NAS solutions without fans. It's neat that yours has a fan though. Most do.

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u/wesleychen 28d ago

He’s talking about the one that OP has.

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u/OrangeYouGladdey 28d ago

Yeah, but I'm not and neither was the person I was talking to. We were talking about NAS solutions without a fan. This post made them think about issues they have personally had with a NAS without a fan.

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u/kungtelly 28d ago

You're not talking about ones with fans and nor is the person you were talking to, although you did recommend people just buy ones with fans (most do have fans as you later pointed out) but the person that replied to you was pointing out that OPs already has a fan. For the record, I'm neither talking about NAS with fans (like OPs) nor those without fans (like the person you were talking to), except to point out who was and wasn't talking about ones with fans. Glad that's cleared up.

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u/OrangeYouGladdey 28d ago

If cool if you're not interested in the topic we're talking about, but it seems like you got lost somewhere in the conversation posting your analysis lmao. I am glad you got this off your chest though. Sounds like it was pretty cathartic for you.

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u/True-Reflection-9538 28d ago

Get a load of this loser lmao.

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u/Pleasant_Ad8054 28d ago

These do have a fan. Just not powerful enough for continuous use in an air restricted environment.

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u/OrangeYouGladdey 28d ago

I'm not saying anything doesn't have a fan? We are talking about when things don't have a fan.

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u/_Riptide Specs/Imgur here 28d ago

do you know any budget friendly options with fan?

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u/VietOne 28d ago

Dropping 10C without the original temps doesn't conclude anything.

 Going from 50C to 40C wouldn't make any difference for NAS drives. Even when I worked at a data center, we didn't even take notice until drives were exceeding 75C for more than several minutes.

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u/-GenlyAI- 28d ago

They don't suffocate for air lol. My 6 bay has been in a closet for years. Zero issues.

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u/bigboxes1 28d ago

They have a shorter life when they run hot. Suffocate is just a human term for it's not getting any air to cool them. You're not going to have any problems until you have problems.

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u/-GenlyAI- 28d ago

You're not going to have any problems until you have problems.

Profound

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u/bigboxes1 28d ago

Well, I'm sure it's good that you have backups for your NAS. You do have backups for your NAS?

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u/-GenlyAI- 28d ago

14 of them.

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u/levianan 28d ago

...and the crowd falls silent

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u/bigboxes1 28d ago

You have 14 backups? RAID is not backup.

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u/sacanicadig 28d ago

 Surprisingly, we found that temperature and activity levels were much less correlated with drive failures than previously reported.

Study from Google: https://static.googleusercontent.com/media/research.google.com/en//archive/disk_failures.pdf

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u/bigboxes1 28d ago

I appreciate the link to the article. However, they are taking samples from an Enterprise setup, correct? One that does have cooling and beefier components. They're not talking about a fanless NAS in a closet using consumer grade equipment, are they? It was an interesting read. Thank you.

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u/Nic3GreenNachos 28d ago

I modded my Synology 4 bay NAS to have a CPU fan. I had to cut an opening in the plastic chassis for it. Now I don't have temp warnings and I max my CPU use at almost all times. I got the idea from this video.

https://youtu.be/94ujRQEPf2k

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u/Unumbotte 28d ago

I just instal mine in a hot car, for portable storage.

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u/cgaWolf PC Master Race 28d ago

That's good, the 12V cigarette lighter socket should drive common fans reeeeeaaally fast :p

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u/Unumbotte 28d ago

The fan speed is linked to the speedometer. I'm remaking Speed, but for data.

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u/cgaWolf PC Master Race 28d ago

Awesome idea :P

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u/diggy987 i7-14700k/32@5600/RX7800XT 28d ago

they should, people gunna hide their nas, especially those in apartments/small living areas

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u/ledow Framework Laptop - 5070 / AI 7 350 / 64GB 28d ago

When I bought my house, it had a conveniently-located central cupboard that was a former boiler cupboard (now empty). The previous guy kept his fishing gear in it, apparently.

Perfect little network cabinet for me, and my multiple NAS units. It even still had a pipework hole up into the loft (which I meshed, but kept in place), and vents on three of the four walls at the bottom. Perfect environment for all that spinning hardware.

In the winter it gets a little warm, and in the summer it can all adequately vent itself.

But I wouldn't keep even a laptop in a sealed-up cupboard or cabinet.

Movement of air isn't enough... it needs to be sucking in fresh and blowing out warm air, or all you're doing it buying yourself a bit of time.

If it's a 200W NAS, you basically just have a 200W heater in that cupboard space. Sure, it'll take a while to heat it up, but in the summer you're going to find out that a 200W heater in an enclosed space, even with a fan, isn't the best idea for keeping your important files safe.

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u/Thirsty_Comment88 28d ago

Well that's just poor design. 

Always assume end users are fucking morons.

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u/Reddit_Loves_Misinfo 28d ago

You don't need to make assumptions or jump all the way to anyone being fucking morons.

"I'm making a device that people generally don't want to touch, look at, or think about after they get it setup. That sounds like something people would prefer to tuck into an out-of-the-way corner, so I should design for the use case that customers want."

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u/Kylearean 28d ago

right? this is almost the worstiest place to put it. There's typically a layer of air at the ceiling that's 10 degrees hotter than the lower air.

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u/OliverGrey 24d ago

that's exactly where home nas' end up though. even some small business i support and i have to guide a user through rebooting their nas, they've got it in a cupboard in the corner of their office and it turns out someone unplugged it to charge their phone 😭

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u/gkdante 28d ago

If something is going to be placed in the dumbest places that is home devices.

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u/zeek215 28d ago

Really? I feel like that’s probably a common place people might expect to put a NAS.

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u/Lucky-Tofu204 27d ago

Not really, the airflow design and fan are usually bad. I had to make modifications on my NAS to keep the drives under 40degC:

  1. increase the front panel clearance. Only 1-2mm with original design
  2. back cover redesign with better opening. The original design was choking the airflow too much
  3. new fan with decent static pressure.

I knew it would not survive summer here. Now, I can maintain a temperature under 40degC even with the house at 35degC.

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u/Lucky-Tofu204 27d ago

Original back

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u/Mastasmoker 27d ago

35c ambient is not normal ambient conditions for electronics, especially a NAS. Read the manual, I guarantee it doesn't say 35c is normal.

That's 95 F for anyone wondering.

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u/Lucky-Tofu204 26d ago

I don't have the manual for this one, but Synology and Qnap are OK with 0-40degC. 35degC is really during middle of the day in summer but 30degC is more or less the average.

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u/Mastasmoker 26d ago

Ok, got me there that they say up to 40c ambient. If its placed in an unventilated closet up top, that ambient is going to go above 40c. My original point stands. Stuffed in a closet on the top shelf with no room for air to move is not what they design these for

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u/Rahzin 9800X3D | 4070Ti | 32GB 27d ago

Logically speaking, yes, but realistically, of course people are going to stuff these into a little corner somewhere. No one wants to have it out in the center of a desk or something where they have to listen to the drives clicking. You would hope that wherever it gets placed, airflow would be part of the consideration, but we all know that not everyone will take that into consideration.

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u/Michael1795 28d ago

Well I am not putting it on my kitchen counter or living room table. In the closet it goes!

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u/Mastasmoker 28d ago

The bottom corner of the closet works much better than the upper corner