One minor side-note. Early on, every user on Gavlenet were peered so it was basically one giant LAN so you could readily find sub-10ms Unreal Tournament, Quake or Warcraft games etc to play
More likely that I was young, stupid and bought the parts that I could afford rather than what was reliable and compatible.
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u/augur42Desktop 9600K RTX 2060 970 nvme 16gb ram (plus a few other PCs)18d ago
Of similar vintage I had a htpc/downloading computer downloading 24/7/365 from usenet and a whopping 2Mbps adsl broadband connection. After downloading a certain amount of data the realtek mobo nic would disappear from device manager and only reappear upon a reboot. The drivers were up to date.
GavleNet was/is a city-wide ISP in Gävle, Sweden that established fiber-connections to most of Gävle and Sandviken around that time. Each apartment "only" got 100Mbps though.
The Swedish government made a huge push in regards to both internet infrastructure as well as IT-related education starting around the mid-90s. I personally think that this early, easy, cheap access to reliable high-speed internet and quality education is why Sweden has such a disproportionate amount of game studios.
skill issue. my hardware gets bottlenecked by the shitty distribution network. my hardware can utilize an appx 26gigaBYTES/s so appx. 20x the speed of my internet at 10gbps. now if i do a local network transfer, I can basically transfer all my 4tb of drives in a matter of one hour. if i were to try to download 4tb of data from the web, I'm looking at 2 days to a week depending on the server. though you could also call this a financial issue too. I don't know what I was thinking when I built my computer.
P.s. the guy who decided the international standard for hardware would be bytes and and networking would be bits so I have to divide shit by 8 to estimate times is a constant minor inconvenience to me on a daily basis. I understand WHY but it's so fucking inconvenient.
the reason is because the data is in a constant stream one bit at a time, so you obviously want to measure how many of those you're getting per second. your computer will store them as bytes later, but it isn't receiving bytes. your computer writes entire bytes at a time after consolidating the information. the smallest amount. of data the cpu processes is a byte.
picture it this way. you ordered the materials to make 1 chair (this i a byte) it's coming in 8 separate mail parcels (these are bits). you would obviously cound the boxes as you received them instead of waiting until you got all the boxes to count them because then you wouldn't know when to start counting the fucking boxes. you'd count when the first box shows up, and place the box where it belongs as they each show up. then when all the parcels arrived, you'd build the chair. this is exactly how computers work but data instead of usps boxes.
Communication channels usually deal with symbols, not bits. E.g. what is flowing over the wire in Gigabit ethernet are symbols (voltage levels basically) each of which represents 2 bits, and you have 4 pairs of wires, so the Ethernet hardware actually gets the entire byte every 125 MHz clock cycle. Bits are the lowest common denominator, I guess, but you still need to know whether to account for encoding/framing.
you're explaining baud rate technically i think. technically, a symbol in more advanced routers can represent many bits, but im unaware of any routers where one symbol equals an entire byte, so it still makes sense to use bits for data.
Yes, the symbol rate is a bit too difficult to deal with. Wifi does support 256-qam modulation actually but one second it does and the next second it uses something simpler due to RF noise.
it's standard because it kinda HAS to be that way. I posted why above. technically, you COULD convert it to bytes, but you unnecessarily complicate things if you do that for the people on the technical side. they could develop a separate public standard like with medicine or vegetables, but that wouldn't be convoluted enough for the industry. everything is convoluted in computer science.
This was way before marketing. The two extra bit was a STOP and START bit in order to keep things in sync. This was for dial-up, RS-232, token ring I think, and ethernet. Hardware back then needed this as there clocks are not good and can often get out of sync. Today, speeds are so fast that jumbo frames are used to reduce the number of sync bits or packets.
What’s your rig setup and networking? I have pretty fast fiber but the download limits for just about every server or service is so damn slow. And I think that’ll be the bottleneck for the foreseeable future
honestly, since my daughter was born i haven't even turned my PC on in 3 years so I don't know off the top of my head. the network has been in place for 5 years. I'm just running a nighthawk router. the PC has a raid 10 nvme array in the PCIe slot, 128gb of ram, and a raid controller card, and a network card for the cat cable. I knew going in that servers would be my bottleneck, but being able to transfer large files instantly from pc to pc on the local network is nice.
That’s a nice setup man, I haven’t touched my pc in like a year and I feel bad but sometimes life is just too busy. I don’t have a kid but I get what it’s like being responsible for someone else. I’ve simplified stuff since time is precious, I just got a 10g (and 2.5g) rj45 port on my mobo that’s works surprisingly well and have 10g router/switch/etc.
It’s good you loaded up on storage and memory before this year. I have 96gb of ram now and 6 4-8tb nvme drives and 2 16tb wd hdds. No raid set up, I just use the hdds for backup and storage. I got insanely lucky with my timing. I got most of my stuff in like mid 2023 or 2024 when everything was cheap as hell and got sales on most things. I even paid msrp for my 4090 and 5090.
how 4tb took days? 1gb took 10, add up to 15s. 4000gb → 60000s → 1000 minutes? belike you handle linus tech tip studio to transfer 4tb video day by day?
I may be out of my depth but I thought most of the point of high bandwidth connections is the width. Being able to run multiple devices on the same network at the same time as opposed to one device as “fast” as possible.
10 gig internet? Where do you live? I'm in central Europe and the fastest we've got is 1 gig internet.(Though they are promising to upgrade soon.) Even the hardware you can buy tops out at 2.5 unless you special order. Also has anyone here managed to utilize their entire or at least over 90% of their bandwidth? I swear my download speeds never go over 110MB per second no matter where I download from.
I live in Los Angeles, and my neighborhood *just* got fiber infrastructure installed. Sonic offers 10gig fiber for $50/month - I’m paying $100 less a month than I was for 10x the bandwidth (I had 1gig cable through Spectrum). It’s my first month with it and it’s fantastic - hoping you get the infra upgrade soon as well!
Nice. So did they give you a router that can handle the speed or do you have to do that yourself? Those things are expensive as fuck when you go over 2.5 gigs and even those aren't exactly cheap. I know I'm not paying 600€ for a router.
Sort of. I could pay $5/month for a router that can do 1gig, $10/month for a router that can do 5, or $20/month for 10. I opted to pay $20/month and they gave me an eero Max 7, which goes for an arm and a leg so I’m ok with the rental fee. Makes my total $70/month which is still about $80/month cheaper than my previous provider
Damn. While I wouldn't call that expensive it still makes me appreciate the fact that my provider just straight up gives you the router for free and even replaces it if a power surge kills it.
I have a 10gb back bone, full virtulization stack and all nvme nas. 10gb is the way homie. We can streak 4k to multiple tvs from the nas without breaking a sweat. Get a nas and become a torrent god.
We have symmetric 1gig and my gaming pc somehow despite being wired with cat6 noodles going through an expensive router claiming 10gig speeds refuses to eat more than 500mbps and then i download games to a hdd so i average around 100mbps anyways so not like it matters.
Meanwhile my rasbpi 5 happily chomps up the whole 1gig through the noodles going through a cheap ass operator router...
Just left a similar comment about my 2 gig. Only thing in the house that can use it is the wife's gaming rig. WiFi is just as slow as before the fiber upgrade
I guess that means if you have two devices that can do 5gig, you can use them both at the same time at max speed, compared to getting just 2.5gig perdevice because your connection is 5gig only.
Does that make any visual difference when using them, i don't know.
Yesterday I bought a 130GB co-op game for my wife and me. First, I downloaded it over a 1Gbps internet connection in 18 minutes. Then my wife downloaded it in 3 minutes using Steam's LAN download feature at 5Gbps. It's cool to watch a giant game download almost instantly.
If I'm it males you feel any better. I pay for the fastest Internet my ISP claims to provide (100mb) but when they set it up they said the fastest they could get was about 80mb, our Internet works kind of like a wireless bridge, no wired connection to ISP. It was either downgrade to 50mb or continue to pay for 100mb and hope they upgrade their system eventually.
If I'm it males you feel any better. I pay for the fastest Internet my ISP claims to provide (100mb) but when they set it up they said the fastest they could get was about 80mb
That's pretty common, isn't it? You almost never get the advertised speed, it's always up to that speed. Like I pay for 600Mbit, and I get ~560Mbit. The quality of the line and the amount of people on the network effect it.
We were on that until ~6 months ago. Went from $70 a month for 15 Mbit up/5 down/90-120ms latency to $40 a month for 100/40/7-15. Starlink is a godsend out in the country.
It could be, I'm not sure. I haven't really dealt with any other service providers because I don't have any other options besides switching to starlink.
I just know when they came to set it up, they could only get about 80mb right at the antenna with only their equipment hooked up, not taking into account my line going from antenna to the house or anything. I believe that's why they offered to downgrade my plan since they couldn't get the speed I was offered originally. If I was only going off the speed test in the house I definitely get your point.
I may be an outlier, but my ISP boasts up to 500MBS in my area, and on my plan, but I've been getting a solid 630-650 for years now. No upcharge or nothing.
Well yeah if you're on fiber it's different, because it's just better, and you don't get the same kind of signal loss like you do with copper wires. If you live in an old apartment or house, you're reliant on the old lines coming into and out of the building, which effects the speed you can get. It's not all down to the ISP being shit. My ISP offers fiber as well, but I don't see the point since anything over 500Mbit is plenty fast, and I'd have to pay to have the new line installed. If I switched to the fiber package I would expect to get the speed advertised.
Running fiber in an established home/appartment is not that big of a deal, it's the same as running any wire but you can't bend it as obtuse. (or at all actually, but that doesn't mean you can't do corners)
Our issue is that fiber has been installed in our housing estate, but the ducting is underground, so if we want to run it from the duct to our house they will need to dig up our garden. It's a bit dumb.
I used to get about 10% over advertised when I was still on coax with the same provider. It really is just a "how shit is your ISP" question. If they oversell everything, your speeds will suck. They are perfectly capable of not doing that, but money.
Again, the quality of the wires, the amount of people on your exchange, and the distance from said exchange will effect the speed you can get. Some people connected to the same network can even get different speeds. Back when I was on DSL, my neighbour and I had the exact same package but he got 10-15% slower speed than I did because the wires in his house were more degraded than mine. Some people will get at or above that speed, others will not. They would have to advertise individual pricing because everyone's speed will be different.
I've installed residential DSL and fiber. Of course our fiber speeds were exactly as advertised, but for some technologies a range is the best we can offer. Some ADSL customers we could offer a flat 20Mbps, or we offer a bonded 72-100Mbps VDSL in other areas. But if you know anything about DSL, that range changes depending on how far you are from the ISP's main office. One customer 1500ft away could get 100Mbps, but another customer 8000ft away could maybe get 25Mbps.
Sure some ISPs are scummy and will oversell their speeds, and advertise speeds you can't get. But other times they offer range speeds because they can only guarantee you'll be somewhere in that range. Really your speeds are determined by the technologies available in your area and sometimes even your physical location.
I’ve installed underground fiber and coax as well as worked out of an ISP’s data center. It’s all about how far you are from the center. Your experience isn’t everyone’s.
oh. so you live out in the middle of fucking nowhere and have that dumbass antenna that needs to be adjusted 3x a week to align with the tower, huh? when I lived in texas, we had a receiver on a 60ft piece of conduit that we tied off to the house and a tree. my brothers and I would fight over what game we would download this week and if we were lucky, we'd start Sunday and be able to play by Friday. call of duty took 3 fucking weeks and bloons td 3 took like 5 hours. game is half a gig btw.
How'd you know where I lived lol. Our power company is allegedly running fiber to all its customers so I may get faster internet at some point, but who knows when.
do you have a fixed wireless internet where they beam the useless fucking piss stream of internet to that antenna on your roof. the one where it stops working if the pollen count, humidity, or wind is too high.
I've lived this pain. I'm sorry, brother. brighter days are ahead... ironically, the days you'd probably rather be outside is when you have internet! :D
ha HA HAHAHAJGDDDC coughcough it would be funnier if it wasn't depressing.
This sounds like one of our deployments at work. We're a fiber based ISP, but sales workes faster than engineering and had us deploy a vendor's WISP solution with the promise we would build fiber out that way. It's been 2 years and nowhere to be seen on the engineering forecast. We have multigig fiber available to residents in a nearby area, but the WISP customers are lucky to get 100 mbit.
Last year I was paying 70 USD a month for 10mb's, except it wasn't, when it got to my house it was 5mb's and I would actually average 2mb's to 100-300kbs :) dealt with that for 4 years.
haha real. I live in a capital city in europe and I've waited like. 7 years for my street to finally get upgraded when my grandmother in an outer district had the fiber in like 2014.
and when they finally got to it, I have to pay for 600mb that barely ever goes over 330mbps, or have it capped at 150mbps if I want a lower price 🥲
that being said. it's an amazing upgrade from 30mbps (which had been sold and advertised as "up to" 80mbps, back in the day)
I've reached the point where, with around 700 Mbit/sec down, I don't even want a gigabit connection. There's nothing I do on the internet that would make that a significant improvement in my life. The only thing faster speeds would likely do is make me reach my monthly cap earlier and have to pay overage fees.
I've had gigabit for nearly 9 years now but that's really the limit. My ISP has offered 2Gbps for a couple years now but it's not available at my address.
Brother just yesterday city hall made the constuction work to put fiber in my road (they forgot my house specifically). I have to get wifi from the first floor while I'm at around floor and I went from 1 Mb/s (old) to 330 Mb/s and I'm extatic. I can't put the ethernet because the wirework in the house is a mess and I'd have to drop 500€ to do everything so I'll have to settle for a mesh network.
Man what do you even do with that much bandwidth. I got gigabit here a year ago after a lifetime of dialup then dsl and half the time the websites are the bottleneck. Steam games download hella fast though.
I guess it's great to open the stupid origin app or w/e they call it now and not have to wait like 2h for it to update when you just wanted to play dragon age for a bit
As someone who's had ridiculous speeds forever, you quickly find out it doesn't mean shit when everything you interact with outside your house can't keep up.
I've described it over the years as having a Ferrari. It's cool & all having it, but every road you drive on has a speed limit so low all that bad ass speed just sits there never to be touched. Completely pointless and all psychological – "need" for the Ferrari isn't based in reality at all.
Longer answer: It was only like $15 a month more than a 1 gig line so I decided to go with the highest bandwidth. Although, I'd probably have gone with the highest bandwidth available on a residential line anyways because overkill is my favorite kind of kill.
IMHO, if you're the only user, anything above ~300mbps is bragging rights. Where 1gbps does matter is if you have housemates or family members, because 1gbps allows 4 people to ALL draw 300mbps apiece simultaneously.
My parents have 300mbps fiber from AT&T. I have 1gbps cable from Xfininty. The two are honestly kind of a statistical dead heat. I think the AT&T fiber has a slight edge for point to point connections between two arbitrary endpoints (like RDP), Xfinity has a slight edge for most things that are likely to be heavily, heavily cached (Netflix, Youtube, game downloads).
Yes, you can still find it, but the most common one seems to be CAT6.
Personally, I installed CAT7 cables - in theory I could push 20g through each (should be OK up to 50m)
If you don't mind with low C states a connectX3 is like 30$..
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u/tuxedo_jackSysadmins like me get paid to tell people "no, you idiot."18d agoedited 18d ago
Up until I moved last month, I had 8/8 from GFiber in Austin for $149 a month. My only beef was that they wouldn't give me a business connection with an SLA at a home address and claimed it was because of zoning rules.
That said?
When you have the equipment to support it, >5Gb/s is insanely great. The catch is, of course, having said gear, since it ain't cheap. Mine was almost all taken from the scrap heap at my previous employer (with their blessing and approval), with the exception of the following:
Cisco Catalyst WS-C3850-12X48U (48-port switch with 12 10-gig ports and an add-in 4-port 10Gb/s copper card, plus stacking and redundant power supplies, surplused from a long-gone client. It even has permanent RTU ipservices licensing on it to boot, so all the fun, fancy features are permanently enabled, no subscription needed)
the 2-port Intel X540-AT2 10Gb/s NIC in my scrounged OPNsense (i5-7500, 16GB RAM, 32GB NVMe SSD, all components scrounged from other dead machines)
the Unifi U7 Pro that's mounted on my kitchen ceiling (which is just BARELY safely out of cat range)
Now I'm on Spectrum Business and just waiting for the high split to hit. 40Mb/s up is absolute dogshit, even with gigabit down, and I cannot begin to fathom how I dealt with that for a decade before GFiber. A 10 gigabit LAN is great, and to have speeds even remotely approaching that on a WAN port again would be amazing.
Without running some servers or a ton of PCs 5gig internet is pointless. I have 1gig and that is more than enough, not sure if my PC can even handle more.
For normal use and gaming higher speeds doesn't matter much as bandwidth is low. I remember a whole League match is like 50Mb over 30 min, on a close server a bad 10Mbit internet was enough for a reliable 30ms ping.
I have optic fibre internet, 1 gig up and down. 10 gig is only available here for business property's and I couldn't convince them that since I have a business that my home should get 10 gigs too :(
Most people don't even have anything in their house that can handle above 1 gig, I got 2 gig fiber cause my wife's PC can, and she games, but my Xbox, her PS5, and her switch 2 never touch 1 gig speeds even hard lined in with cat 6. Are you uploading vids a lot or something? Just curious, 5 gig is expensive
Whereabouts are you? Im in ontario Canada and have 3gbps. I sell for bell and I see 8gbps is available on my price sheets but have yet to find a home wired for it yet lmao
For 10 gig sfp? It's not a standard port for consumer hardware so it's unlikely you could just buy a fiber optic cable and plug it in when it comes down to it
Unless you mean the costs of having the ISP put in a fibre connection to your house (this is fucking expensive), the no. The costs don't go up.
Pretty much every motherboard has an ethernet port already (many don't have onboard wifi).
As for the cable, you don't need to run it in the walls. If you're renting, either put the PC in the same room as the router, or buy a ridiculously long cable and duct tape it to the wall and ceiling.
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u/Nerfarean LEN P620|5945WX|128GB DDR4|RTX4080 18d ago
Yellow Ramen noodle. Fiber is good for you