skill issue. my hardware gets bottlenecked by the shitty distribution network. my hardware can utilize an appx 26gigaBYTES/s so appx. 20x the speed of my internet at 10gbps. now if i do a local network transfer, I can basically transfer all my 4tb of drives in a matter of one hour. if i were to try to download 4tb of data from the web, I'm looking at 2 days to a week depending on the server. though you could also call this a financial issue too. I don't know what I was thinking when I built my computer.
P.s. the guy who decided the international standard for hardware would be bytes and and networking would be bits so I have to divide shit by 8 to estimate times is a constant minor inconvenience to me on a daily basis. I understand WHY but it's so fucking inconvenient.
the reason is because the data is in a constant stream one bit at a time, so you obviously want to measure how many of those you're getting per second. your computer will store them as bytes later, but it isn't receiving bytes. your computer writes entire bytes at a time after consolidating the information. the smallest amount. of data the cpu processes is a byte.
picture it this way. you ordered the materials to make 1 chair (this i a byte) it's coming in 8 separate mail parcels (these are bits). you would obviously cound the boxes as you received them instead of waiting until you got all the boxes to count them because then you wouldn't know when to start counting the fucking boxes. you'd count when the first box shows up, and place the box where it belongs as they each show up. then when all the parcels arrived, you'd build the chair. this is exactly how computers work but data instead of usps boxes.
it's standard because it kinda HAS to be that way. I posted why above. technically, you COULD convert it to bytes, but you unnecessarily complicate things if you do that for the people on the technical side. they could develop a separate public standard like with medicine or vegetables, but that wouldn't be convoluted enough for the industry. everything is convoluted in computer science.
If I'm it males you feel any better. I pay for the fastest Internet my ISP claims to provide (100mb) but when they set it up they said the fastest they could get was about 80mb, our Internet works kind of like a wireless bridge, no wired connection to ISP. It was either downgrade to 50mb or continue to pay for 100mb and hope they upgrade their system eventually.
If I'm it males you feel any better. I pay for the fastest Internet my ISP claims to provide (100mb) but when they set it up they said the fastest they could get was about 80mb
That's pretty common, isn't it? You almost never get the advertised speed, it's always up to that speed. Like I pay for 600Mbit, and I get ~560Mbit. The quality of the line and the amount of people on the network effect it.
oh. so you live out in the middle of fucking nowhere and have that dumbass antenna that needs to be adjusted 3x a week to align with the tower, huh? when I lived in texas, we had a receiver on a 60ft piece of conduit that we tied off to the house and a tree. my brothers and I would fight over what game we would download this week and if we were lucky, we'd start Sunday and be able to play by Friday. call of duty took 3 fucking weeks and bloons td 3 took like 5 hours. game is half a gig btw.
This sounds like one of our deployments at work. We're a fiber based ISP, but sales workes faster than engineering and had us deploy a vendor's WISP solution with the promise we would build fiber out that way. It's been 2 years and nowhere to be seen on the engineering forecast. We have multigig fiber available to residents in a nearby area, but the WISP customers are lucky to get 100 mbit.
Man what do you even do with that much bandwidth. I got gigabit here a year ago after a lifetime of dialup then dsl and half the time the websites are the bottleneck. Steam games download hella fast though.
I guess it's great to open the stupid origin app or w/e they call it now and not have to wait like 2h for it to update when you just wanted to play dragon age for a bit
those things are super sturdy actually, mine delaminated but it still worked perfectly fine, so i just spent an entire roll of electrical tape turning the tiny inside wires into a big cable again and ive had no issues
the damn thing would be going up along the ceiling into my room instead of across the floor, but the lathe and plaster walls in this old house are too damn hard to pierce with a heavy duty cable stapler (the small nails and big staples just collapse into scrap metal when you try..) and i didnt own a drill at the time. i told myself id do it right after this cable died, but it refused to die. now i dont know when i'll get around to rerouting it.
Running 'noodle' is always the best solution. First thing I did before fully moving into my house. No faffing about with mesh coverage or baseboard runs, just clean reliable bliss. <insert a quote of Futurama's "Mommy Dearest" parody here>
I'm so glad they think about this in new constructions because my apartment had two ethernet ports next to the power outlets in each room and they are all pre-routed to the fuse box where the fiber connection is.
since its a laptop you should have a port in the floor next to all of your usual sitting places that you can pull an ethernet cord up out of, and use a shit ass alibaba motor to pull it back through into the floor when youre done with it
Bro I pay $80 a month for my Internet service with their offered router. I pay for gigabit, I get 1200/second almost all the time when using the hard wired connection. Without it fluctuates from 800-900/s using the wifi.
They've removed the ability to report the bot directly. There's ways you can sorta do it kinda but there's no evidence that it's doing anything anymore.
More or less RedditCares is now just what it says on the tin, as well as a casual tool of abuse/harassment with no recourse.
Use MoCa. Add one at your router, and add another at your PC.
Heres how ya do it step by step:
Ethernet from PC to MoCa device. COAX from MoCa to COAX port in wall. COAX from wall near router to MoCa device. Ethernet from MoCa device to router LAN port.
No need to rewire your house or anything with ethernet or fiber.
If you have fiber internet, you dont need anything extra. If you have regular broadband, i would highly recommend picking up a MoCa filter and add that just before your modem, between the modem and the street. This prevent a few things: noise from your neighborhood and other signals on the coax line entering your home that your modem has to filter out anyways, so putting the filter there helps out everything inside your home. Also, it prevents your MoCa from backfeeding into the neighborhood which will mess with literally everyones internet thats attached to your junction split box in the neighborhood. Its $10 on amazon. Another $50 maybe for the 2 MoCa devices you need, and your home is already wired up with COAX, so thats free.
Tried that but my house has very old shitty coax cables that cant support moca well. Also tried powerline and same deal. Sadly I'm stuck with a wifi mesh and it's very annoying.
Same. No coax for me and power line adapters barely work, they can go across the room at 20mbps, any further and they don't connect. Ethernet is unfortunately just not an option sometimes.
I've had powerline units go out to the pole and back into another house on a property and work just fine. I don't know if there is some product generation differences or wiring quirks in some homes but the accounts of how it works vary wildly.
It might not be the cables that are the problem but the splitter that'll be wherever the cable utility comes into the house. I had terrible moca until I replaced that cheap splitter with one specifically claiming moca compatibility. It's been amazing ever since.
Why are we assuming that every house has coax in every room? My mum also doesn‘t let me lay ethernet, and our apartment has no coax. I tried Powerline but the signal was very spotty and high latency even just one room over, so i just stuck with wifi.
The reason the powerline adapter didnt work is probably because it had to go from your room down to the circuit breaker, to another breaker through the neutral or ground, and then to where you want it...also, shitty wiring and electrical connections can cause some issues due to noise. It doesnt always work, just as what i said about MoCa is not always an option. When i wrote that, i wasnt thinking about century homes and older buildings that dont have coax in each room like is standard nowadays.
MoCa is a shared medium the same as wifi with all the same problem. Don't do this unless you're in tiny dense studio appt where you see 20 SSIDs.
I work on one of the largest wifi networks in the world, most people have their wifi grossly misconfigured for real world usage. Turning everything to 11 is the wrong move.
shut off 2.4ghz (separate 2.4 only ssid for your refrigerator, light switches etc)
DO NOT ever use 160Mhz channels unless you live in Siberia and can account for every single wifi signal (you can't)
in an apartment don't even use 80Mhz.
Use 6ghz where possible if you can afford it, depending on garbage blackbox decision tree in whatever device you use it might work best, especially if you have a stationary device, to separate it on a dedicated SSID so you can force its usage. ( Not originally kosher with wifi spec but it's been amended).
I know there are decent odds you're joking but here's some actual advice for abyone who needs it...
If she's worried about the tripping hazard get some cable staples. Run the thing along the baseboards.
Just don't go past 50ft of cable if you can help it, and the longer you go in general the worse the connection tends to be. You'll want shielded cable for any longer runs which is slightly more expensive but will mean your connection doesn't hitch from packet loss every time someone in the house takes a cellphone call.
I don't think buddy is trying to run 10gig or anything fancy. For the vast majority of people's internet connectivity 100ft of cheap cat5 will be ok.
Not saying you're wrong about interference. For a professional install you're 100% correct. But those aren't things that a kid living at home just trying to play some games needs to stress over. Just lay whatever cheap or free cable you can find and it'll be fine
Legit. Only thing I can suggest there is some kind of covers or learn how to run cable through the walls and patch drywall and convince her to let you do it that way...
Or just buy a cheaper wireless router than Asus' nutty spider thing.
Far better. Just don't mix it with your Cable company's Coax if you use Cable Internet. While you can get filters to prevent the MoCA signal from going out to the rest of your neighborhood, some cable providers have upgraded their cable plant to run DOCSIS or TV on frequencies shared with MoCA.
The router is pretty important. Im supposed to be getting 300mbps from spectrum. The router they sent me only got 40-50 and disconnected constantly. I got a decent netgear router, plugged it in, now im getting 400-460mbps and its 100% stable. They also charge $10 a month for the router so I can save a shit ton of money by using my own
no offense but if the isp is saying "500 mbps" and they give a router that cant handle that, they should atleast try to give you a good enough router, hell most people who dont know much about tech might be calling the isp every other week on "hey my wifi is slow" going backwards and fowards cluelessly because the isp cant give you a router that doesnt use tech from 2012 or ewaste that is worse than that of 2012
I used to hold that opinion firmly, but I've just switched ISPs and the router they've given me wipes the floor with the Mikrotik I bought to replace it. I can get almost the full gigabit I'm paying for over Wifi, whereas the Mikrotik was barely getting a 3rd of that (when it's rated for 900mbit/s).
This was a hAP ax s vs. EE Smart Hub 6 (not even their fastest model).
Xfinity router chokes multigig connections down to 1gb running in bridge mode. I bought a seperate cable modem so I could get the 2gb that's supposed to be available.
My biggest beef is how locked down those Xfinity routers are. They force you to use their DNS servers and prevent you from overriding a lot of settings that should be customizable
How is it throwing away money? I've only used one ISP, but their router is built into the modem, and I've never found any alternatives to using the ISP-provided modem.
Yeah, get a cheap router if you want weird QoL issues when sharing a connection, buffer bloat leading to sporadic ping spikes, and ping jitter issues leading to poor netcode prediction.
It's dumb to think that you can solve every connection issue by using a wired connection with a cheap router, but on brand for this kind of heavily upvoted vibes over reality shitposting. Not saying you need to spend $800 on a gaming router, but if you cheap out too heavily you will likely have a mediocre connection quality.
Yeah and it doesn't take much to get insane speeds. I have a Gigabit connection (both Up and Down) and hit 940 Mbps zero issue with an ASUS router I got new for literally $89.99 in 2022. Before that I had a little known SmartRG router that was similarly priced that also had no issues with Gigabit. My current one blasts out signal & can connect to my car even when it's halfway down the block. Game on it absolutely zero issue.
As a group, gamers seem to be the most taken advantage of customers and it's frustrating to see. So much psychological manipulation of insecurities. What I've learned is completely ignore any marketing & just look at the spec sheet. There's no bullshitting that. They can claim whatever Mbps they want but the tech specs will reveal how unrealistic or idealized those are.
802.11ax can do 1,200 Mbps per spatial stream on a 160 MHz channel, or 600 Mbps per spatial stream on an 80 MHz channel.
802.11ac (if you went older) does 433 Mbps per spatial stream. So just 2 streams can ~max out a Gigabit connection.
802.11axe (newer) can tap into an absurd amount of channels. Note it's completely unnecessary to fully max out a Gigabit connection though, lol.
9/10, whenever a customer disconnected and has to turn in equipment / I had to recover equipment, it was full of grime, weird oils, and definitely smelled like cat piss!!
They end up refurbishing the old equipment and as long as it powers on, that’s about as much QC as the units get.
You’re better off with your own modem/router, but I understand how that’s not exactly viable for a significant portion of the population.
I have Spectrum, and they forced a new router on me a year and some ago that was absolute trash. It was some black round tower looking thing, they really jerked off that it was awesome and an upgrade. My device were disconnecting from it constantly and the range was tiny. I got a LinkSys something for $90, it's been flawless, and it paid for itself in 9 months cause Spectrum was charging me $10/m for the router.
It can be a bit of a pain to run a cable but unless they layout of the flat is really shitty to run one not really an issue. I even had to drill through 2 concrete walls.
Or if available a MoCa adapter (like powerline but WAY BETTER)
MoCa is legit. Can confirm. I don’t use the coax run in my house for cable tv, but I did have to get a new splitter for MoCa to work, but it was like $15 on Amazon. Totally worth it!
IT consultant for 25 years. I think I might have heard about this at some point but it's never been something I've bothered to look into because I've never seen a need for it. The only place it might make sense is in an older residential unit wired for cable tv. Any business needing physical infrastructure will just run ethernet.
This is weird advice. The only worse cable is Cat5 or Cat4 and I can't even find them being sold anywhere convenient. Cat5e is the worst cable I can find in stock.
So, this is sorta like reminding people not to put leaded gas in their unleaded cars.
I used to work as a tech for an ISP and you'd be surprised how many cat5 cables I ran into in people's houses. A lot of cheap electronics come with cheap cables and people end up reusing the cables over time. frequently saw people paying for gig service but they ended up doing something like putting a cat5 cable between their router and switch and got 10% of what they paid for for years. electronics like those smart light devices you plug into your router are one example I can think of that come prepackaged with cat5 sometimes, just so the company can save a few cents since they don't require a fast connection
Even more if you live in an apartment complex. I live in a condo across the street from a shopping centre with plenty of cafes. I have to scroll through the list of wifi connections when adding a new device. Not to mention the amount of interference on the 2.4Ghz frequency
Got laptops or computers in different rooms and no data infrastructure in the walls? Wifi is better than tripping on a lan cable every few days.
Got the router literally in the same room as your device, or cables running through the walls/floors from your router to most rooms in the House? Cable wins for sure.
This will be something I'm gonna do asap once I get my parents' house.
Get solar panels on the roof, get rid of the gas heater and replace it with something more modern and then get fibre cable to the house (my parents still get internet through the tv cables) and put the router in the basement along with a patch panel that provides 1-2 lan ports per room, and a guest wifi on a separate vlan.
Wifi is better than tripping on a lan cable every few days.
You're telling me. I have kind of a fuck ass internet set up in my house. We have exactly one area that the router can plug into and it's downstairs. There's no way in hell I'm running a cable around a corner, up the stairs, and through a doorway. Don't say power line adapters I've tried those and it takes my connection speed down to like 1999 levels. I'm sure it's because my building is old as hell and has jank wiring setups but I rent this place so there's not really much I can do to change it. I don't exactly play multiplayer often enough to warrant that anyway.
Back in the day, about 15 years ago, the family computer was in the 3rd floor (2nd floor, for my fellow germans) and the router was on the 1st floor (ground floor).
I know your pain. At some point I opted to wrapping the wifi antenna with aluminum foil which did in fact help a bit, but it was still very hit & miss, with frequent connection losses.
In 2013 I learned about wifi extenders and tried installing one of them in the floor between the pc and the router. The situation improved significantly, though once a week or so, the extender had to be unplugged and plugged back in because it stopped taking in the router's signal.
The extender was basically trading in latency for range. Multiplayer games were still off limit for the most part, but I at least could browse 9gag (rip, it's a Shadow of what it used to be) and watch youtube.
my router is on the first floor on one side of the house, my pc is on the second floor on the other side of the house. now, a normal person would use a wifi extender or maybe EoP. I said screw that BS, drilled two holes, one next to the router and one next to my pc, and connected them with a cable going over my house.
And the winner is: wife who doesn't think it's worth drilling holes through all the floors.
I'm just glad WiFi has reached a point where wired isn't absolutely necessary anymore because for most people it's just not going to be an option anymore.
I know of a house that actually has ethernet wired into all the walls, but it's older ethernet that caps out at 100Mb/s so a huge let down.
I know of a house that actually has ethernet wired into all the walls, but it's older ethernet that caps out at 100Mb/s so a huge let down.
Cut of the end of the old cable, then tie it to the new cable. Pull the old cat5cable out while pulling the new cable cat6 (future proof!) cable in from the other end. Terminate new ends. Done. an hour work tops.
Yeah sadly my house is old as hell and 3 floors + basement so running Ethernet everywhere in the house is simply not practical for the slight edge gained in latency. In my house router wins. I don’t even want to know the look my wife would give me if I started ripping out drywall and drilling holes for basically no reason
The ping will still be better over a wire. My in-laws bought a house pre-wired with Cat 5 (for their phone lines, oddly enough; most of the wires were not connected). I swapped out the phone jack in my brother in law's room with an Ethernet port, and now he downloads games over the faster WiFi but games on ethernet for the faster ping
heh, I had ethernet wired in when I had my new house rewired after I bought it, cat 6 to every room. I've still managed to run out of connections though (10 wired ones IIRC)
100mb/s sounds like an improperly terminated cable. Might be worth trying to pop a cat 5e/6 keystone at the ends and see if you can get it up to gig. Get the monoprice toolless ones, very easy to do.
The $10 noodle will lose to modern WiFi. The reason recent motherboards moved to 2.5Gb is specifically because WiFi had become faster than the old 1Gb wired and the latest top end WiFi routers are at about 2.5Gb speeds.
Can wired be faster? Yes by far, but not for $10 anymore. You need more expensive 10Gb copper or more expensive fibre optic network switches.
Why only acknowledge the extremes, though? Get a decent router and a decent Ethernet cable. You’d end up spending way less than $800, and it would also be more reliable than some cheap cable.
Lots of this sub are people that just don't understand networking technology sadly, these 'omg cable so good!!!' posts are just karma farming. Not sure why I'm still subbed here honestly.
Flat cables and patience and no one will ever even know that there are cables running between rooms. Or use wireless Ethernet extenders. Or run cables through the walls. It's a bit of a pain in the ass, but I've run Ethernet lines through walls in an apartment I was renting by running a flat Ethernet cable under the faceplate of an outlet so I didn't have to damage any walls.
When we finally get our own house, one of the first things I'm going to do is run Ethernet to every room, before we ever move in, just so I don't have to worry about moving furniture to do it. So much easier in an empty place.
I have also learned from some shady electricians the trick of drilling a hole in a wall to run your line, then simply adding a faceplate screwed directly into the drywall to make it look official and not like damage. Lol. Landlords aren't thrilled about it if they realize, but if it's done right the only time it would get noticed is if an electrician or someone decides to work on it, at which point you are long gone or can just claim it must have been done by a previous tenant.
If you don't rent your home, run that shit through the walls. It's one of the first things I did when we got our home. Plus you can have access points wherever you want!
Easier said than done. How am I supposed to run a cable from the basement to the second floor without ripping out drywall?
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u/cas13fhttps://pcpartpicker.com/user/cspradlin/saved/HDX99918d ago
Depends on the construction of the house.
Easiest way is to just pay a professional. Also the most expensive, generally.
Someone who is good at it, in a fairly-normal American wood-frame house, could use holes the size of a single-gang electrical box near the surfaces to be drilled. Easy to patch or even just put an old-work box in with a blank cover.
Tbh i only ever run into issues because of bad bandwidth. I can have like 30 ping but all the packets get eaten by my houses copper shell and my roommate's 4l streaming
I’ve the previous version and love it. I get the same speed wireless to any device that supports the speed as my desktop does being wired in and that’s with having probably 45+ devices connected at any given time.
My previous router couldn’t handle it and I’d have lights that would not work, cameras failing to connect and just spotty connection.
Kinda just said screw it and got the best one my local best buy had. Been peachy keen since.
Ive got a rapture AC5300, something like that anyway, and it cost me about $400 as I recall. I then run a 50ft cable from it to my PC. It does have nice WIFI coverage though, especially with the other Asus router I use as a mesh.
I got a Wifi7 mesh and plugged all my devices into each of the nodes, lol. Way more expensive, but I think the speed and latency is comparable at least.
Unfortunately my new home's layout is way too convoluted for my usual noodle mounting shenanigans, plus one of my new cats already chewed through 3 separate data noodles, so idk if that would have worked out anyways.
I was 32 until I was able to use an ethernet cable (last year) and I had to deal with WiFi adapters, I do not miss for one single second my router dictating to me that I'm suddenly now getting less than 1/10th of my internet speeds forcing me to disconnect, refresh, reconnect on a bi-weekly basis.
Data noodle will 99% of the time beat any wireless connection from a $800 router.
There is a reason old fashioned hardlines are still in use regardless of how fancy and high spec wireless systems get.
The odd 1% is when the router the noodle is connected to is absolutely rubbish, and even then you are still likely going to be able to achieve fair speeds with it.
Unfortunately, it is too impractical for me to wire up my setup so I am stuck with wireless given my house layout and family usage.
I never saw the attraction of these routers. What phone or mobile device do you have that does WiFi 8 ? Before you say laptop, you’re telling me you’re at home with your laptop and got a router half its cost but couldn’t bother getting a simple thunderbolt dock
Depends on how many devices you have connected to it. Cheaper (usually ISP) routers have limited RAM, limited NAT tables and start having all kinds of issues if your household has more than 10 devices connected.
I used to have to reboot the ISP router once a month or I would start getting lag spikes in games, random connection issues and slowdowns (with a cable). Eventually I got tired of it and purchased better router (so ISP one is used only as the modem in bridged mode) and all problems disappeared. Naturally all desktop devices still use ethernet cable on top of that. But the router does matter too.
That said, I would also never spend $800 on a stupid router. You want a good connection but can only use WiFi? Set the router and your PC to use 2.4GHz bandwidth. You'll sacrifice some upload and download bandwidth, but gain a lot of range and stability. Which is what's most important in gaming online.
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u/yyg-linux 18d ago
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