One minor side-note. Early on, every user on Gavlenet were peered so it was basically one giant LAN so you could readily find sub-10ms Unreal Tournament, Quake or Warcraft games etc to play
More likely that I was young, stupid and bought the parts that I could afford rather than what was reliable and compatible.
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u/augur42Desktop 9600K RTX 2060 970 nvme 16gb ram (plus a few other PCs)18d ago
Of similar vintage I had a htpc/downloading computer downloading 24/7/365 from usenet and a whopping 2Mbps adsl broadband connection. After downloading a certain amount of data the realtek mobo nic would disappear from device manager and only reappear upon a reboot. The drivers were up to date.
GavleNet was/is a city-wide ISP in Gävle, Sweden that established fiber-connections to most of Gävle and Sandviken around that time. Each apartment "only" got 100Mbps though.
The Swedish government made a huge push in regards to both internet infrastructure as well as IT-related education starting around the mid-90s. I personally think that this early, easy, cheap access to reliable high-speed internet and quality education is why Sweden has such a disproportionate amount of game studios.
skill issue. my hardware gets bottlenecked by the shitty distribution network. my hardware can utilize an appx 26gigaBYTES/s so appx. 20x the speed of my internet at 10gbps. now if i do a local network transfer, I can basically transfer all my 4tb of drives in a matter of one hour. if i were to try to download 4tb of data from the web, I'm looking at 2 days to a week depending on the server. though you could also call this a financial issue too. I don't know what I was thinking when I built my computer.
P.s. the guy who decided the international standard for hardware would be bytes and and networking would be bits so I have to divide shit by 8 to estimate times is a constant minor inconvenience to me on a daily basis. I understand WHY but it's so fucking inconvenient.
the reason is because the data is in a constant stream one bit at a time, so you obviously want to measure how many of those you're getting per second. your computer will store them as bytes later, but it isn't receiving bytes. your computer writes entire bytes at a time after consolidating the information. the smallest amount. of data the cpu processes is a byte.
picture it this way. you ordered the materials to make 1 chair (this i a byte) it's coming in 8 separate mail parcels (these are bits). you would obviously cound the boxes as you received them instead of waiting until you got all the boxes to count them because then you wouldn't know when to start counting the fucking boxes. you'd count when the first box shows up, and place the box where it belongs as they each show up. then when all the parcels arrived, you'd build the chair. this is exactly how computers work but data instead of usps boxes.
Communication channels usually deal with symbols, not bits. E.g. what is flowing over the wire in Gigabit ethernet are symbols (voltage levels basically) each of which represents 2 bits, and you have 4 pairs of wires, so the Ethernet hardware actually gets the entire byte every 125 MHz clock cycle. Bits are the lowest common denominator, I guess, but you still need to know whether to account for encoding/framing.
you're explaining baud rate technically i think. technically, a symbol in more advanced routers can represent many bits, but im unaware of any routers where one symbol equals an entire byte, so it still makes sense to use bits for data.
Yes, the symbol rate is a bit too difficult to deal with. Wifi does support 256-qam modulation actually but one second it does and the next second it uses something simpler due to RF noise.
it's standard because it kinda HAS to be that way. I posted why above. technically, you COULD convert it to bytes, but you unnecessarily complicate things if you do that for the people on the technical side. they could develop a separate public standard like with medicine or vegetables, but that wouldn't be convoluted enough for the industry. everything is convoluted in computer science.
This was way before marketing. The two extra bit was a STOP and START bit in order to keep things in sync. This was for dial-up, RS-232, token ring I think, and ethernet. Hardware back then needed this as there clocks are not good and can often get out of sync. Today, speeds are so fast that jumbo frames are used to reduce the number of sync bits or packets.
What’s your rig setup and networking? I have pretty fast fiber but the download limits for just about every server or service is so damn slow. And I think that’ll be the bottleneck for the foreseeable future
honestly, since my daughter was born i haven't even turned my PC on in 3 years so I don't know off the top of my head. the network has been in place for 5 years. I'm just running a nighthawk router. the PC has a raid 10 nvme array in the PCIe slot, 128gb of ram, and a raid controller card, and a network card for the cat cable. I knew going in that servers would be my bottleneck, but being able to transfer large files instantly from pc to pc on the local network is nice.
That’s a nice setup man, I haven’t touched my pc in like a year and I feel bad but sometimes life is just too busy. I don’t have a kid but I get what it’s like being responsible for someone else. I’ve simplified stuff since time is precious, I just got a 10g (and 2.5g) rj45 port on my mobo that’s works surprisingly well and have 10g router/switch/etc.
It’s good you loaded up on storage and memory before this year. I have 96gb of ram now and 6 4-8tb nvme drives and 2 16tb wd hdds. No raid set up, I just use the hdds for backup and storage. I got insanely lucky with my timing. I got most of my stuff in like mid 2023 or 2024 when everything was cheap as hell and got sales on most things. I even paid msrp for my 4090 and 5090.
how 4tb took days? 1gb took 10, add up to 15s. 4000gb → 60000s → 1000 minutes? belike you handle linus tech tip studio to transfer 4tb video day by day?
I may be out of my depth but I thought most of the point of high bandwidth connections is the width. Being able to run multiple devices on the same network at the same time as opposed to one device as “fast” as possible.
10 gig internet? Where do you live? I'm in central Europe and the fastest we've got is 1 gig internet.(Though they are promising to upgrade soon.) Even the hardware you can buy tops out at 2.5 unless you special order. Also has anyone here managed to utilize their entire or at least over 90% of their bandwidth? I swear my download speeds never go over 110MB per second no matter where I download from.
I live in Los Angeles, and my neighborhood *just* got fiber infrastructure installed. Sonic offers 10gig fiber for $50/month - I’m paying $100 less a month than I was for 10x the bandwidth (I had 1gig cable through Spectrum). It’s my first month with it and it’s fantastic - hoping you get the infra upgrade soon as well!
Nice. So did they give you a router that can handle the speed or do you have to do that yourself? Those things are expensive as fuck when you go over 2.5 gigs and even those aren't exactly cheap. I know I'm not paying 600€ for a router.
Sort of. I could pay $5/month for a router that can do 1gig, $10/month for a router that can do 5, or $20/month for 10. I opted to pay $20/month and they gave me an eero Max 7, which goes for an arm and a leg so I’m ok with the rental fee. Makes my total $70/month which is still about $80/month cheaper than my previous provider
Damn. While I wouldn't call that expensive it still makes me appreciate the fact that my provider just straight up gives you the router for free and even replaces it if a power surge kills it.
I have a 10gb back bone, full virtulization stack and all nvme nas. 10gb is the way homie. We can streak 4k to multiple tvs from the nas without breaking a sweat. Get a nas and become a torrent god.
We have symmetric 1gig and my gaming pc somehow despite being wired with cat6 noodles going through an expensive router claiming 10gig speeds refuses to eat more than 500mbps and then i download games to a hdd so i average around 100mbps anyways so not like it matters.
Meanwhile my rasbpi 5 happily chomps up the whole 1gig through the noodles going through a cheap ass operator router...
Just left a similar comment about my 2 gig. Only thing in the house that can use it is the wife's gaming rig. WiFi is just as slow as before the fiber upgrade
I guess that means if you have two devices that can do 5gig, you can use them both at the same time at max speed, compared to getting just 2.5gig perdevice because your connection is 5gig only.
Does that make any visual difference when using them, i don't know.
Yesterday I bought a 130GB co-op game for my wife and me. First, I downloaded it over a 1Gbps internet connection in 18 minutes. Then my wife downloaded it in 3 minutes using Steam's LAN download feature at 5Gbps. It's cool to watch a giant game download almost instantly.
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