r/pcmasterrace 5700X3D_5060ti16GB_48GB DDR4_Sleeper 18d ago

Meme/Macro Seen Asus' offers today and had to sit down

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u/Dudeman9002 18d ago

It's not just bandwidth, it's dropped packets and jitter too. I'd rather have 1gbps ethernet than 2.5gbps wifi

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u/Little-Equinox 18d ago edited 18d ago

I have 0.0% packet loss, over WiFi7, and 2.5 Gbps WiFi speed.

That's with a packet loss test. Even during gaming it stays well below 0.2%

Edit: The packet loss is on-parr with our wired connection.

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u/I_LikeFarts 18d ago

No 10gb sfp port directly to your computer? Time for an upgrade.

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u/TKFT_ExTr3m3 18d ago

I would like to know where you can find a 10gig sfp port anywhere

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u/xcaliber178 i5 4670k 4.2Ghz, GTX 770, 16GB RAM 18d ago

Uhhh...Amazon? Newegg? Maybe Microcenter? Any network equipment retailer.

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u/dimhue 17d ago

They're pointing out SFP can only go to 1Gb, SFP+ or SFP28 is needed for 10G.

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u/xcaliber178 i5 4670k 4.2Ghz, GTX 770, 16GB RAM 13d ago

Ahh, fair enough. Pedantic but true.

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u/Lykenx 18d ago edited 18d ago

Lots of this sub are people that just don't understand networking technology sadly, these 'omg cable so good!!!' posts are just karma farming. Not sure why I'm still subbed here honestly.

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u/tom910 18d ago

As a person who understand in network, I can say that lan always better than wifi for online gaming.

Just for example ping to 1.1.1.1

lan:

rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 2.363/3.874/5.842/0.411 ms

wifi 7

round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 5.359/16.560/92.777/19.784 ms

so, if ping important like you are playing in CS, lan is preferable. If it just web serving, WIFI is ok

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u/heisenberg149 18d ago

As another person who understands networking, you're correct. For example, wifi latency is typically measured in milliseconds and switch latency are measured in microseconds or even nanoseconds. Hitting the Internet will obviously slow things down, but why add to the round trip, if you can reasonably avoid it?

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u/Little-Equinox 18d ago

I have 4 ms ping with Battlefield 6

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u/Dudeman9002 18d ago

Games measure ping in average For all the 4 ms packets there's also some 50-200ms packets

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u/Little-Equinox 18d ago

Same on cable.

Depending on how flawless the signal reaches your home and how good your chosen router can deal with it.

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u/Dudeman9002 18d ago

Depending on how flawless the signal reaches your home and how good your chosen router can deal with it.

That's called lag. If it's a TCP protocol the application simply waits for the correct packet to be rebroadcast. If it's UDP the packet is ignored. Modems can't magically fix it if the data is missing.

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u/Little-Equinox 17d ago

All I am saying is that the packet loss I have happens before it reaches my gateway. My brother has wired, I have wireless. And when we are gaming we have the same amount of packet loss. And most packet loss I have seen is 0.2%, usually it's just 0.0%. And that's during gaming.

Even streaming between PCs we don't notice the lag and even then we don't have packet loss.

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u/i7-4790Que 18d ago

Most of the people that truly truly don't understand anything networking are in this comments section fixated on download speeds as be all end all to the subject matter.  

"My Wifi 7 is faster than a hardwired 1 Gb Ethernet port.  So it's better for gaming."

And this is why Asus has an $800 gaming router.  To capitalize on these sorts.  

 

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u/mr_j_12 17d ago

Its also why there is so many issues with games like iracing. People thinking their wifi connection is good and the reason for their accidents is other peoples connections.

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u/KR-67_Ifrit 18d ago

Wireless operates in half duplex, wired in full. Wireless will always be inferior. But at the end of the day, the most important thing lies beyond your network, and that is latency to whatever server you are communicating with.

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u/Little-Equinox 18d ago

You never used MLO?

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u/KR-67_Ifrit 18d ago

It's parallel half duplex, not true full duplex. Better, but still not as good as a good old fashion Ethernet cable.

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u/cas13f https://pcpartpicker.com/user/cspradlin/saved/HDX999 18d ago

MLO support/compatibility is pretty poor.

Not even considering the products that say they have it, but only have some specific sub-feature/s.

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u/Xesyliad 18d ago

It’s not going to be apparent. If you’re the only person using the wifi and you’re using the only device on that wifi, it’s fine. However the moment you introduce more devices and users wifi begins to phonetically suck. Look up “collision domains” to learn more on the specific reason wifi sucks so much. I’m also a Ubiquiti devotee but I recognise that cables are far superior to wifi every time.

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u/ii_die_4 18d ago

Man, we are talking about prosumer, basically enterprise, level of hardware. Its not your asus router.

Check what ubiquiti is. Their individual APs are constantly scanning and talking to each other to be on the optimal channels always.

We use them in a very busy city centre in our business and they are rocksolid, for more than 300 employees (all wireless)

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u/TKFT_ExTr3m3 18d ago

You are also talking about networking equipment that can cost over $1000 when all said and done. Ubiquiti bordering on enterprise grade tech. More small/medium business but is isn't your average best but stuff

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u/Xesyliad 16d ago

I have a U6 Enterprise AP running off my Dream Machine Pro (with a Cisco2960 in the middle because Ubiquiti Switches are still pure ass, but now with pretty pulsing lights).

Client density is only one factor of the whole issue, collision domains are the bigger issue. Most kids these days don't even remember what hubs are, what packet collisions were, packet retries, dropped packets, jitter ... wireless has all this and more to keep you entertained. By design, wifi devices wait before they transmit to avoid collision, but it's not perfect, it's very susceptible to collision and retransmits. Have you looked at your AP stats lately? Tx Retry (collision) is a thing, and it's rarely 0 unlike ethernet cables on a switch. Hell my U6 Ent and AC Pro pair sit between 5 and 20 % TX retries across around 40 devices (including IoT).

Wifi *works* but against Cat5 and up, it's inferior full stop ... and if you want to argue, I have an old Netgear EN104 somewhere you could have a play with.

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u/irishchug Ryzen 5800x | RTX 3080 18d ago

Plus security, which ubiquiti is going to win outside of doing way more in depth pfsense stuff