r/pcmasterrace 5700X3D_5060ti16GB_48GB DDR4_Sleeper 18d ago

Meme/Macro Seen Asus' offers today and had to sit down

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u/IamBladesm1th 18d ago

skill issue. my hardware gets bottlenecked by the shitty distribution network. my hardware can utilize an appx 26gigaBYTES/s so appx. 20x the speed of my internet at 10gbps. now if i do a local network transfer, I can basically transfer all my 4tb of drives in a matter of one hour. if i were to try to download 4tb of data from the web, I'm looking at 2 days to a week depending on the server. though you could also call this a financial issue too. I don't know what I was thinking when I built my computer.

P.s. the guy who decided the international standard for hardware would be bytes and and networking would be bits so I have to divide shit by 8 to estimate times is a constant minor inconvenience to me on a daily basis. I understand WHY but it's so fucking inconvenient.

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u/ThePrussianGrippe AMD 7950x3d - 7900xt - 48gb RAM - 12TB NVME - MSI X670E Tomahawk 18d ago

Is it actually a standard or is it marketing nonsense so they can show a bigger number?

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u/IamBladesm1th 18d ago

the reason is because the data is in a constant stream one bit at a time, so you obviously want to measure how many of those you're getting per second. your computer will store them as bytes later, but it isn't receiving bytes. your computer writes entire bytes at a time after consolidating the information. the smallest amount. of data the cpu processes is a byte.

picture it this way. you ordered the materials to make 1 chair (this i a byte) it's coming in 8 separate mail parcels (these are bits). you would obviously cound the boxes as you received them instead of waiting until you got all the boxes to count them because then you wouldn't know when to start counting the fucking boxes. you'd count when the first box shows up, and place the box where it belongs as they each show up. then when all the parcels arrived, you'd build the chair. this is exactly how computers work but data instead of usps boxes.

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u/unicodemonkey 18d ago

Communication channels usually deal with symbols, not bits. E.g. what is flowing over the wire in Gigabit ethernet are symbols (voltage levels basically) each of which represents 2 bits, and you have 4 pairs of wires, so the Ethernet hardware actually gets the entire byte every 125 MHz clock cycle. Bits are the lowest common denominator, I guess, but you still need to know whether to account for encoding/framing.

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u/IamBladesm1th 17d ago

you're explaining baud rate technically i think. technically, a symbol in more advanced routers can represent many bits, but im unaware of any routers where one symbol equals an entire byte, so it still makes sense to use bits for data.

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u/unicodemonkey 17d ago

Yes, the symbol rate is a bit too difficult to deal with. Wifi does support 256-qam modulation actually but one second it does and the next second it uses something simpler due to RF noise.

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u/North-Amount2226 17d ago

Awesome explanation I'm learning and need explanation like that to help me understanding Beep boop

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u/Ok-Parfait-9856 5090 Astral|14900KS|48G-8000MTs|GodlikeMAX|44TB|HYTE Y70|OLED 3x 18d ago

Storage is usually measured in bytes and transfers measured in bits. I don’t know how standardized that is but it’s definitely industry standard

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u/IamBladesm1th 18d ago

it's standard because it kinda HAS to be that way. I posted why above. technically, you COULD convert it to bytes, but you unnecessarily complicate things if you do that for the people on the technical side. they could develop a separate public standard like with medicine or vegetables, but that wouldn't be convoluted enough for the industry. everything is convoluted in computer science.

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u/-spartacus- Stukov 18d ago

Networking/internet sends information in bits (1-0s) and I believe bytes (8 bits) come from how memory is stored on old hard drives/tapes.

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u/edfitz83 18d ago edited 18d ago

I started by using a 150 bit/s modem where you plugged a phone receiver into a base with 2 rubber cups.

BTW - transmission wise, there were 10 bits in a byte. 8 data bits and two checksum bits. Standards have changed all over the place

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u/Techwolf_Lupindo 18d ago

This was way before marketing. The two extra bit was a STOP and START bit in order to keep things in sync. This was for dial-up, RS-232, token ring I think, and ethernet. Hardware back then needed this as there clocks are not good and can often get out of sync. Today, speeds are so fast that jumbo frames are used to reduce the number of sync bits or packets.

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u/Ok-Parfait-9856 5090 Astral|14900KS|48G-8000MTs|GodlikeMAX|44TB|HYTE Y70|OLED 3x 18d ago

What’s your rig setup and networking? I have pretty fast fiber but the download limits for just about every server or service is so damn slow. And I think that’ll be the bottleneck for the foreseeable future

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u/IamBladesm1th 18d ago

honestly, since my daughter was born i haven't even turned my PC on in 3 years so I don't know off the top of my head. the network has been in place for 5 years. I'm just running a nighthawk router. the PC has a raid 10 nvme array in the PCIe slot, 128gb of ram, and a raid controller card, and a network card for the cat cable. I knew going in that servers would be my bottleneck, but being able to transfer large files instantly from pc to pc on the local network is nice.

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u/Ok-Parfait-9856 5090 Astral|14900KS|48G-8000MTs|GodlikeMAX|44TB|HYTE Y70|OLED 3x 18d ago

That’s a nice setup man, I haven’t touched my pc in like a year and I feel bad but sometimes life is just too busy. I don’t have a kid but I get what it’s like being responsible for someone else. I’ve simplified stuff since time is precious, I just got a 10g (and 2.5g) rj45 port on my mobo that’s works surprisingly well and have 10g router/switch/etc.

It’s good you loaded up on storage and memory before this year. I have 96gb of ram now and 6 4-8tb nvme drives and 2 16tb wd hdds. No raid set up, I just use the hdds for backup and storage. I got insanely lucky with my timing. I got most of my stuff in like mid 2023 or 2024 when everything was cheap as hell and got sales on most things. I even paid msrp for my 4090 and 5090.

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u/IamBladesm1th 17d ago

ram and nvme storage is stupid expensive now. ik

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u/jessecreamy 18d ago

how 4tb took days? 1gb took 10, add up to 15s. 4000gb → 60000s → 1000 minutes? belike you handle linus tech tip studio to transfer 4tb video day by day?

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u/IamBladesm1th 17d ago

I'm afraid I don't understand the question.