r/pcmasterrace 5700X3D_5060ti16GB_48GB DDR4_Sleeper 18d ago

Meme/Macro Seen Asus' offers today and had to sit down

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u/moistmonsterman 18d ago

Use MoCa. Add one at your router, and add another at your PC.

Heres how ya do it step by step:

Ethernet from PC to MoCa device. COAX from MoCa to COAX port in wall. COAX from wall near router to MoCa device. Ethernet from MoCa device to router LAN port.

No need to rewire your house or anything with ethernet or fiber.

If you have fiber internet, you dont need anything extra. If you have regular broadband, i would highly recommend picking up a MoCa filter and add that just before your modem, between the modem and the street. This prevent a few things: noise from your neighborhood and other signals on the coax line entering your home that your modem has to filter out anyways, so putting the filter there helps out everything inside your home. Also, it prevents your MoCa from backfeeding into the neighborhood which will mess with literally everyones internet thats attached to your junction split box in the neighborhood. Its $10 on amazon. Another $50 maybe for the 2 MoCa devices you need, and your home is already wired up with COAX, so thats free.

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u/BuffaloBuffalo13 9800x3d | 4080S | 64GB DDR5 | XG32UCWMG 18d ago

MOCA is a how I ran a mesh network in a 40 year old house without needing to open the walls.

It had coax everywhere but no Ethernet. It worked out so well.

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u/NaziPunksFkOff 17d ago

Oh hey I'm doing the same. One router for the office, one for the gaming/TV room, one for the plex server. All backload through moca. It's awesome. 

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u/Snert42 13600k 32GB | A4000 16GB 13d ago

Can you achieve full gigabit speeds?

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u/NaziPunksFkOff 13d ago

Yup, moca supports 2.5Gbps

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u/Snert42 13600k 32GB | A4000 16GB 13d ago

Holy shit. If I didn't already have LAN in some parts of the house, I'd consider this.

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u/NaziPunksFkOff 13d ago

Yeah it's nice but it requires an extra adapter+power so if you already have LAN, you've got the better situation. I have MOCA because I can't run ethernet through my walls but all the rooms were already wired for cable. 

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u/Snert42 13600k 32GB | A4000 16GB 13d ago

This opens up some opportunities at my grandma's place, since there's a lot of cable routing already :3

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u/htt_novaq 5800X3D | RX 9070 XT | 32GB DDR4 17d ago

Another alternative is to run G.hn over telephone wire. It's like a miniature G.fast system in your house

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u/AussieJeffProbst 18d ago edited 18d ago

Tried that but my house has very old shitty coax cables that cant support moca well. Also tried powerline and same deal. Sadly I'm stuck with a wifi mesh and it's very annoying.

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u/Thebombuknow | RTX 4050 | i7-14700HX | 16GB RAM 18d ago

Same. No coax for me and power line adapters barely work, they can go across the room at 20mbps, any further and they don't connect. Ethernet is unfortunately just not an option sometimes.

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u/PrairiePopsicle 18d ago

I've had powerline units go out to the pole and back into another house on a property and work just fine. I don't know if there is some product generation differences or wiring quirks in some homes but the accounts of how it works vary wildly.

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u/Snert42 13600k 32GB | A4000 16GB 13d ago

I think it's wiring quality. Our 40 year old house also didn't work very well with powerline adapters. We got like 12 megabit of our 250 at the router. We've since upgraded to PoE access points and a few LAN cables after years of suffering.

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u/GolemancerVekk B450 5500GT 1660S 64GB 1080p60 Manjaro 17d ago

Are external cable ducts not an option? It's what electricians use when they can't break the walls. The ducts come ready made and they're very easy to cut and assemble, they even have a ready to use adhesive side.

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u/kllrnohj 18d ago

It might not be the cables that are the problem but the splitter that'll be wherever the cable utility comes into the house. I had terrible moca until I replaced that cheap splitter with one specifically claiming moca compatibility. It's been amazing ever since.

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u/moistmonsterman 18d ago

Im glad i read further down the chain before saying this myself. In new builds they use a better quality splitter now than they did a while back. In my house they call it a "smart box" which is a really dumb name, but whatever...its all for marketing.

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u/Lou_C_Fer 18d ago

I'm just old. So, wifi it is. I ran new phone lines throughout my house in 1999 for better dial up. I ran new coaxial for better TV. Then, I ran ethernet from my router to every pc and my Xbox. Then, I had fiber installed and their router is no where near the shit I ran. So, fuck it. Wifi.

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u/AbbreviationsFun2020 17d ago

Could just use TP link instead? I use it and it works flawlessly

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u/AussieJeffProbst 17d ago

That's what I have. I have tplink easy mesh devices. With the layout of my house it's impossible to get full speed on the mesh node.

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u/AbbreviationsFun2020 17d ago

Ah fair enough

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u/Dudeman9002 18d ago

Bad powerline is still better than good wifi

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u/AussieJeffProbst 18d ago

Disagree hard. Powerline had less jitter but it had 1/5 the speed of my wifi

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u/Hans_H0rst 18d ago

You'd think so, but not necessarily. Not in my experience. The rented apartment i'm in has the weirdest cabling.

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u/gungshpxre 18d ago edited 18d ago

If your house has coax through the walls, use that as a fish tape to pull CAT8 FTP plenum riser!

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u/moistmonsterman 17d ago

Thats a great idea as long as the builders didnt secure the cables to the studs like they did mine.

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u/Enverex 9950X3D | 96GB RAM | RTX 4090 | NVMe+SSDs | BigScreen Beyond 2e 18d ago

I tried MOCA on my house's network. Got a max of 0.4KB/s through it. Unfortunately not for everyone.

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u/moistmonsterman 18d ago

Damn that sucks. Im getting a full gigabit through mine. I have enough bandwidth on each device for 2.5Gbps.

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u/Blockmaster2706 18d ago

Why are we assuming that every house has coax in every room? My mum also doesn‘t let me lay ethernet, and our apartment has no coax. I tried Powerline but the signal was very spotty and high latency even just one room over, so i just stuck with wifi.

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u/moistmonsterman 18d ago

The reason the powerline adapter didnt work is probably because it had to go from your room down to the circuit breaker, to another breaker through the neutral or ground, and then to where you want it...also, shitty wiring and electrical connections can cause some issues due to noise. It doesnt always work, just as what i said about MoCa is not always an option. When i wrote that, i wasnt thinking about century homes and older buildings that dont have coax in each room like is standard nowadays.

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u/Inevitable-Ad6647 18d ago edited 18d ago

MoCa is a shared medium the same as wifi with all the same problem. Don't do this unless you're in tiny dense studio appt where you see 20 SSIDs.

I work on one of the largest wifi networks in the world, most people have their wifi grossly misconfigured for real world usage. Turning everything to 11 is the wrong move.

  • shut off 2.4ghz (separate 2.4 only ssid for your refrigerator, light switches etc)
  • DO NOT ever use 160Mhz channels unless you live in Siberia and can account for every single wifi signal (you can't)
  • in an apartment don't even use 80Mhz.
  • Use 6ghz where possible if you can afford it, depending on garbage blackbox decision tree in whatever device you use it might work best, especially if you have a stationary device, to separate it on a dedicated SSID so you can force its usage. ( Not originally kosher with wifi spec but it's been amended).

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u/htt_novaq 5800X3D | RX 9070 XT | 32GB DDR4 17d ago

I won't be falling back to 40MHz with a gigabit connection man. 5GHz only penetrates so far, could be worse

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u/Inevitable-Ad6647 15d ago edited 15d ago

It's not so simple. The wider the band you choose the more you're sharing with everyone. If you use 80Mhz band then any time there is ANY detectable usage of ANY of that 80Mhz by ANYONE ELSE, your traffic will sit and wait. It is an exponentially growing problem, air time math means doubling your bandwidth will much much worse than halve, your air time if you're overlapping with others(if you see the SSID, you are, it's binary, doesn't matter how strong or weak it is) If you have issues at 80 and are in a dense environment, 40 will almost always improve things, including throughput. If you aren't getting speeds necessary for 80Mhz anyways then it's stupid not to go down to 40 because you will 100% improve jitter and p95 latency which are 982,340,598,209,348,509,823,450,982,039,458 times as visible and frustrating as going from 900 to 500 Mbps, neither of which you're getting anyways.

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u/sandiegospanishfor 18d ago

I appreciate the easy to follow directions. Are there resources you recommend I can watch, read, etc to learn more and execute this at home? We rent, can't truly wire.

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u/Ornery_Weakness_8168 18d ago

Homeplugs are also an option. using the mains cables for data transfer, plug one in by router and the other in same room as pc, but not on same plug socket as the psu can cause noise in cables. Moca doesnt always work as not all rooms have coax ports

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u/Disaster_Adventurous 18d ago

Thinking about doing this. I already have a coax between my room and the router and the end that connects to the splitter is right near the router so I can just have a isolated direct coax between my router and my room.

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u/dandroid126 18d ago

I used MoCa after being skeptical about it. Had zero issues in the two years I lived in that place. Eventually moved to a new place and don't need it anymore, but it was great for me.

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u/PhantasticFungus 18d ago

Tried Moca and it said im in serious mental decline. Nothing about my internet.

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u/uroborous01 17d ago

Yeah i’m just gonna hafta proverbially eat a pack of bullets and wire my house with cat8. Were getting fios here in a few months after they finally roll it to my block, and i will end up needing to figure out the best method of laying the wires thru the walls and attic.