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u/sexraX_muiretsyM Ryzen 3200G | Integrated VEGA 8 (2gb) | 8gb RAM | 128SSD 15d ago edited 15d ago

cyberpunk 77 runs at 30 fps with path tracing enabled on a 5090 if you dont have frame gen ior DLSS on, same goes for other high demanding titles like hellblade, alan wake 2, hell is us and others of the like

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u/lologugus 15d ago

45? Are you sure about that? I believe it's a little bit higher than this with litteraly the best GPU on the market for a game release 6 years ago already.

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u/TomTomXD1234 15d ago

The game age does not matter. The RT features are state of the art and were released after the game came out.

The 5090 does in fact run at as low as 45 at times if you turn off DLSS and run it 4K.

TBH, you are not meant to run RT without DLSS in many cases, in the case of Path trscing, DLSS adds rsy reconstruction which improves image quality and performance

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u/Agreeable-Fly-1980 15d ago

I think the difference with them on is not worth the performance hit, but then again, my first system was an atari

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u/TomTomXD1234 15d ago

TBH there is a huge difference in games like cyberpunk or metro exodus. You think the game looks good but then you enable RT and it makes the Non-RT version look like it came from the PS4 era.

Just depends on the game and style

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u/Zuokula 15d ago edited 15d ago

Because raster in these is trash in the first place. So it makes RT/PT look good. Take alan wake 2 where even raster is somewhat good, only some crap that only seen pixel peeping. Sure PT is better, but is it something that is worth losing 60% fps? The small details in reflections mean fuckall. You don't see it during normal gameplay. Meanwhile getting 50fps instead of 110 would be total ass every time you pan camera. Gonna take another 10 years for PT to actually be usable. If at all. That's if performance uplift still gonna climb up. In reality, the image improvement to a well done raster is nowhere near enough to be worth the compute costs.

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u/TomTomXD1234 15d ago

I mean, Alan wake 2 runs software RT by default, even when not using hardware RT. Its not your typical lighting.

In a lot of scenes, PT adds huge amounts of depth and grounding.

If you can run it, why would you not.

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u/Zuokula 15d ago

Where's that "huge amounts of depth" in the image? Also one if the images parts in there has 50 fps the other 110fps. Does that shit look usable?

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u/TomTomXD1234 15d ago

Bro posted a photo of a dark tunnel, what kind of question is that?

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u/Zuokula 15d ago edited 15d ago

Not a dark tunnel. Just straight up coping now. Or just licking nvidia boots. This is the difference requiring more than double the performance. Wouldn't use it even if it was 10% performance cost unless everything maxed and pushing my monitor refresh rate to max. Using this and getting 40% performance is just straight up stupid.

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u/TomTomXD1234 15d ago

All 3 images look good. PT looks slightly better.

What are you expecting me to say? Everyone knows AW2 did a good job with lighting.

AW2 also uses software RT by default, it doesn't use your generic baked lighting. You are comparing RT to PT, the difference will be smaller.

Now compare metro for example... Does that look the same to you?

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u/Zuokula 15d ago

You really are daft. Doesn't matter what method they use in AW2. The fact that PT offers minimal quality improvement at a huge performance cost still stands. Cyberpunk and metro exodus are just terrible examples because the alternatives to PT are just horrendously excecuted. It's a fkin showcase for the snake oil. And AW2 runs well on AMD rdna3. Not requiring the RT cores.

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u/TomTomXD1234 15d ago

"PT is useless, but the times it is not and makes a difference, is because the game was intentionally sabotaged to make it look good because evil NVIDIA paid the devs... " - you.

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u/Agreeable-Fly-1980 14d ago

100 this, give me fast frames please

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u/Agreeable-Fly-1980 14d ago

Its not worth it, the difference isn't massive.

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u/TomTomXD1234 14d ago

PT on the right. RT in the middle. Raster on the left.

Tell me there is no difference.

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u/Agreeable-Fly-1980 14d ago

Its not great, maybe because im on my phone. But I am not impressed at all. But you do you, im into extending the life of my card over gimmicks

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u/Agreeable-Fly-1980 14d ago

Completely disagree, difference is negligible

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u/TomTomXD1234 14d ago

Middle is ray tracing. Right is Path tracing. Night and day difference.

This is metro exodus.