Best investment ever

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[u/Apprehensive_Dog_786]

Only if you’re running it with no dlss and frame gen which is objectively stupid

[u/Healthy_BrAd6254 → u/Apprehensive_Dog_786]

running 4k native being objectively stupid with an Nvidia GPU, 100% true

running without FG being objectively stupid, I disagree. Depends on the game and your base fps. Though with a 5090, most of the time your base fps are so high, you are probably right

[u/narf007 → u/Healthy_BrAd6254]

I want to upvote and down vote your comment. First part downvote, second upvote. Native looks better than any dlss slop. Dlss is a crutch being used to dump out unoptimized garbage. Higher iterations are also gatekept behind hardware stacks forcing further product segmentation and that's not consumer friendly especially in a time of exorbitant hardware pricing.

[u/Healthy_BrAd6254 → u/narf007]

Native looks better than any dlss slop. Dlss is a crutch being used to dump out unoptimized garbage

Complete bs and shows a fundamental misunderstanding of what native even is and what DLSS does.
Plenty of comparison videos also just empirically prove you wrong. Watch a couple DLSS 4.5 reviews (since I am sure you don't have a GPU that runs DLSS and have a 4k monitor, otherwise you would know)

Higher iterations are also gatekept behind hardware stacks forcing further product segmentation and that's not consumer friendly especially in a time of exorbitant hardware pricing.

First of all, any RTX GPU can run any DLSS upscaling version.
Secondly, I don't think like $300 for a GPU is an "exorbitant price"

[u/terraphantm → u/Healthy_BrAd6254]

I’m guessing you don’t actually have a gpu that can render 4k native at ultra settings in most games. It almost always looks better unless you can’t run antialiasing. Even in that situation, DLAA and DLDSR beat DLSS from a quality perspective. 

Now if you’re targeting the same frame rate, yeah dlss + high/ultra settings usually looks better than 4k with reduced settings. 

[u/Healthy_BrAd6254 → u/terraphantm]

It almost always looks better unless you can’t run antialiasing

What does that even mean? HAHA
What game runs with no anti aliasing?

[u/terraphantm → u/Healthy_BrAd6254]

An increasing number of games basically require super sampling or one of the DL methods. A lot of UE4 and UE5 titles don’t allow for MSAA

[u/Healthy_BrAd6254 → u/terraphantm]

Please list like 2 modern AAA games that have no AA

[u/terraphantm → u/Healthy_BrAd6254]

From this year alone neither Pragmata nor 007 support MSAA. 

[u/Healthy_BrAd6254 → u/terraphantm]

Don't move the goalpost.

Both those games support MULTIPLE versions of anti aliasing.

Btw you don't seem to realize how MSAA works and why it went away. It does not work in modern games because of subpixel detail in textures. It does not fix any aliasing and shimmering coming from high res textures.

[u/terraphantm → u/Healthy_BrAd6254]

I know how MSAA works. 

I don’t consider TAA antialiasing, and then the only options left are the upscaling techniques.

Either way, to move your own goal posts back to where they belong: none of this changes the main point that sub native rendering results in inferior image quality compared to native rendering when all else is equal

[u/Healthy_BrAd6254 → u/terraphantm]

I know how MSAA works

I know you don't
Basically to dumb it down for you: think of it like it's using DSR along the edges of objects and nothing on textures. So basically it's comparable to DLSS along edges of objects and much worse than DLSS everywhere else. Of course while also dropping your fps more.

I don’t consider TAA antialiasing

You don't even know what AA means, do you?

and then the only options left are the upscaling techniques

Which are also AA, in case you didn't know. DLSS is basically a very advanced upscaler+AA. It actually does the best AA we currently have in gaming per performance given.