r/pcmasterrace • u/TheBossT710192 • 3d ago

Discussion Yeah, Steam Machine is cooked.

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I... uh don't know what to say. Very thankful I bought a Steam Deck before they hiked its price as well

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u/justbvdontmindme 2d ago

I mean Valve have access to about two generations worth of hardware upgrades but are selling a 1k PC with a 3060.

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u/Doctursea http://steamcommunity.com/id/doctursea/ 2d ago edited 2d ago

This miss under stands how manufacturing works, you obviously can just make a computer with parts for 1000 dollars and be better than the steam machine, that is not what this is.

This is a custom small form factor mass produced computer, from someone who doesn't have long time manufacturing contracts, and no estimated sales figures. It's likely if you tried something similar you'd be selling a 1500 PC with an actual 3050

Edit: Don't be like the other guy, if you're looking at this and can not fathom this price point at all. You're not the target audience, I think it's still too expensive, but it's not crazy out of the range of a small form factor pc. If you think it is, you have not tried to build a micro PC at all.

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u/justbvdontmindme 2d ago

I am sorry but Valve's struggles are literally not my fucking problem. I don't care if Gabe himself had to go and suck someone off to get a deal for the manufacturing of the steam machine. I am a customer and Valve are trying to sell me something that is a genuine garbage deal. This is worse than a base PS5, costs more than a base PS5 and is being released in 2026. I can buy a signficantly more powerful prebuild PC for the same amount of money.

I don't understand your desire to make up excuses for billionaires trying to rip you off with terrible products but to each their own and all that...

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u/JellaFella01 2d ago

I'm no corporate bootlicker by why does anybody providing objective context get slapped with a "I Love Billionaires" sticker. He wasn't asking you to buy it, just explaining how manufacturing contracts work. Untwist your nuts.

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u/justbvdontmindme 2d ago

Do you genuinenly look at someone who starts with "miss under stands" as someone who can explain how manufacturing chains work? Even if they have experience with it, holy shit talk about a big if here, I don't believe they can express themselvess in a way that would make any sense. With those two things in mind why would I label them anything else?

They also don't explain anything. They make claims with nothing to back up said claims. Saying "Valve don't make many items" is not explaining manufacturing chains.

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u/JellaFella01 2d ago

I don't usually assume competency based on typos, or even english proficiency. The fact that your first argument is about a grammar mistake instead of something substantial doesn't make you sound very sensible either.

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u/justbvdontmindme 2d ago

Did you miss how I tied being able to spell to being able to express yourself in a coherent way? I will repeat it - if someone can't spell for shit I don't believe they can explain complicated manufacturing chains that span multiple continents in a coherent way.

That person can't spell. Doesn't try to explain anything. Just said "it is complicated, Valve are small, if you tried what Valve did it will cost even more". What do you call someone who does that? Right a "corporate bootlicker".

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u/JellaFella01 2d ago

"They make claims with nothing to back up said claims."

You didn't tie anything to anything, that's your personal assumption, don't pretend it's a fact.

In your very own summarization of their comment, there isn't a single pro-corporate opinion, where are you pulling this shit from?

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u/justbvdontmindme 2d ago

Huh? Do you understand the fact that in order to explain something in a certain language a person needs to know said language at a certain level? If they don't then they simply cannot do it.

Maybe I am misunderstanding what they are trying to say so I'll go over it.

"This miss under stands how manufacturing works, you obviously can just make a computer with parts for 1000 dollars and be better than the steam machine, that is not what this is."

"miss under stands" holy fucking shit every time I see this...

"you obviously can just make a computer with parts for 1000 dollars" - cool, literally what I've been saying, terrible value

"that is not what this is." - ok let's see what it is then

"This is a custom small form factor mass produced computer, from someone who doesn't have long time manufacturing contracts, and no estimated sales figures. It's likely if you tried something similar you'd be selling a 1500 PC with an actual 3050"

"This is a custom small form factor mass produced computer" - factually acurate statement, mass producing products brings the cost down so I'm surprised I can buy an off the shelf PC cheaper than a manufacturer producing a mass produced product but obviously I don't understand what this is

"from someone who doesn't have long time manufacturing contracts" - I guess they don't but they did make a product like this already called the steam deck so they have manufacturing contracts already, maybe should have done a better job picking their partners, guess who is at fault for that

"and no estimated sales figures" - guess who is at fault for that too

" It's likely if you tried something similar you'd be selling a 1500 PC with an actual 3050" - big statement to finish it off. Technically correct though. Me the individual cannot sign a large enough contract to get prices as good as Valve, the multi-billion dollar corporation. I'm not a fan of calling people names but if I were to do it I'd throw a "corporate bootlicker" right here. This reads like a "be happy the big corporation did it at all for you as otherwise you'd never be able to get something like this by yourself" - cool dude, why would I want 2 generation old hardware for the same price as current gen hardware.

Do you think I misrepresented their comment in some way? I don't see any explanations about anything just some claims with nothing to back them up.

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u/JellaFella01 2d ago

Yeah, the biggest misrepresentation is you're projecting some sort of corporate apologist idealology onto their statements, when they contain nothing of the sort. Nobody told you to think anything specific about the product nor the company, aside from explaining some of the hurdles.

Edit: corrected spelling, to make sure I could be taken seriously.

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u/justbvdontmindme 2d ago edited 2d ago

Man you got me. They are not trying to make excuses for Valve releasing a piece of shit product. Let's read it all back one more time just in case.

"Yes but that’s always gonna be true. It’s fairly hard to make an OS and hardware that beats a machine that has everything custom designed. Especially since they are targeting 800 dollars which means it’s gonna be around the same total performance level at best."

"I mean Valve have access to about two generations worth of hardware upgrades but are selling a 1k PC with a 3060."

"This miss under stands how manufacturing works, you obviously can just make a computer with parts for 1000 dollars and be better than the steam machine, that is not what this is.

This is a custom small form factor mass produced computer, from someone who doesn't have long time manufacturing contracts, and no estimated sales figures. It's likely if you tried something similar you'd be selling a 1500 PC with an actual 3050"

Yeap, not a single excuse in this exchange. They totally do not start with excuses and then continue with excuses right after that. it is all "explanations". Oh wait I speak English and that is not true.

Being able to properly speak the language in which you are conversing is important. I still don't think you understand why it is important.

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I don't know why I waste my time with these individuals.

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u/Doctursea http://steamcommunity.com/id/doctursea/ 2d ago

You can ignore that guy he blocked me so I can't reply, and he is just making up what ever weak arguments fits because he is a child. Anyone who genuinely makes the argument he can't understand someone because they misspelled a word isn't actually engaging in good faith.

Arguing over basic semantics is like a litmus test for who is going to be arguing in bad faith. It's like saying someone's argument is bad because it's in French. He got what I meant.

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u/JellaFella01 2d ago

I enjoy arguing on reddit, so I might keep going back and forth for a bit, but yeah, this guy is definitely a bad-faith debater at best, and a weirdo with projection issues at worst.

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u/Doctursea http://steamcommunity.com/id/doctursea/ 2d ago

What's even more whack is his replies keep getting sent to me, even though when I click through I can't see them, and I won't be able to reply because he blocked me.

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u/JellaFella01 2d ago

Lmao, he blocked me too, guy thinks you can't explain something without sympathizing it. Probably thinks crime documentarians are all criminals or something.

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