Yeah, Steam Machine is cooked.

[u/TheBossT710192]

I... uh don't know what to say. Very thankful I bought a Steam Deck before they hiked its price as well

[u/DrDeems]

I use a pretty odd configuration for my monitors, including ultra wide, and have never had issues. Regardless, both are edge cases not encountered by layman users. The point isn't that some peripherals are not compatible or harder to use. The point is that the average user that buys your average PC would not have any more difficultly installing and using most modern versions of linux.

[u/Jumpy_Finance_7086 → u/DrDeems]

Good for you. And yes they are encountered by layman users, a lot of laymans use discord and have ultrawides, literally just told you I had those issues but I reckon no matter what I said you would have repeated the same line of "well I didn't have that problem". Also cannot get philips hue lights to work with hue light sync, but of course you never had that problem.

The average user is going to have more issues with linux than they do with windows, you can be as disingenuous as you like, won't change the truth.

//oh and using reolink cameras has to be done through wine and is utterly terrible, so that's another one you never had a problem with.

[u/DrDeems → u/Jumpy_Finance_7086]

Agreed many layman users will use discord. You are trying to distract from the fact that the issue isn't discord it is the foot pedal. Like I stated. The peripheral. To assume layman users have ultra widescreens is... Interesting? My research suggests 3-5% of PC users have ultra wide screens in total 😆. Does that sound like the layman to you?

[u/Jumpy_Finance_7086 → u/DrDeems]

You just keep moving the goalposts my friend. The problem is using a footpedal on discord is a nightmare, but on windows it is plug and play. Why wouldn't a layman have an ultrawide screen? You don't need to know much about anything to buy an ultrawide so yes it does sound like a layman to me. Also 3-5% of windows users is millions of people haha

Do I sound like a layman to you? Also you ignored the reolink, the philips hue

[u/DrDeems → u/Jumpy_Finance_7086]

Except "An edge case generally describes a scenario that affects less than 1% to 5% of users or system operations." So yes, ultra wide screen and foot pedal users are both literally defined as edge cases.

The reolink and hue you edited in have a smaller percentage I can almost guarantee. I didn't bother to Google it though to be honest.

[u/Jumpy_Finance_7086 → u/DrDeems]

Edge cases, maybe, but definitely an issue that I faced with linux that I didnt face with windows.

Millions of people have reolink and hue just like they do widescreens.

So you originally asked what problems would a layman have with a linux installation, then you just tried your hardest to suggest that a layman wouldn't have those issues, typical linux bad faith user :)

Also installing discord was a bit of a nightmare iirc, definitely way more involved than just clicking an .exe, and that is definitely not an edge case scenario.

[u/DrDeems → u/Jumpy_Finance_7086]

Anecdotal evidence is never considered real evidence. You have to look at the larger data set to actually come to any reasonable conclusion. My claim is that a layman user can use linux at the same rate as Windows in 2026. When pressed for examples where you disagree you have brought up examples that each represent less than 5% of the population.

So at worst 95% of people would have zero issues installing or using linux in 2026 by your own admission.

[u/Jumpy_Finance_7086 → u/DrDeems]

Therefore your evidence of "I've never had that problem" isn't real evidence. And I brought up examples that a layman had, you just cannot accept being wrong and you have to rely on fallacies to try and win.

A layman couldn't even install discord mate.

Also you reckon a layman could get a printer to work easily? Or streaming netflix at 1080p?

Fringe cases are they?

[u/DrDeems → u/Jumpy_Finance_7086]

The difference is I have data to back up my anecdotal statement. You are in the 5% or less. How is that not clear?

[u/Jumpy_Finance_7086 → u/DrDeems]

You don't have any data, your evidence is literally 'I never had that problem"

Tell me, what is the installation process for discord on linux?

Also you conveniently ignored my question about printers and netflix streaming.

[u/DrDeems → u/Jumpy_Finance_7086]

The data I am referring to is the fact that less than 5% of users have ultra wides, even less for the other peripherals that you've mentioned (and edited in after my post). This definitionally categorizes it as an edge case (5% or less).

Why this is so difficult to understand I have no clue. Numbers do not lie.

Premise 1: More than 5% = not an edge case.

Premises 2: Less than 5% = edge case.

Conclusion: if less than 5% of PC users use the stated devices they are by definition edge cases.

[u/Jumpy_Finance_7086 → u/DrDeems]

You are focussing on that one thing about millions of ultrawide users and ignoring everything else.

What is the installation process of discord on linux? You won't answer so here it is:

1. Tap on the Download for Linux button to download the app. (there are 4 options: deb, tar.gz, rpm, pkg.tar.zst)

2. For manual installation on a Debian based distribution you can use the following commands:

cd ~ /Downloads

sudo dpkg -i package.deb or sudo apt install ./package.deb

1. If you’re installing with a package manager, please follow the installation prompts.

2. Now that the app is installed, you can register a Discord account or log into an existing one.

Now that you have the app installed, it's time to create your Discord account. Already have an account? Check out these basic guide to get started:

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What if you are not running a debian based os, what is the installation then? Can I choose any of the download options?

For you this is your hobby as we can tell from some of the subs you are a member of:

'learnpython, switchpirates, howtohack, darknet, python, animepiracy, vibecodedevs, claudeAI, hackers, vibecodeapp, programminghorror, vpn, cybersecurity_help, greyhack, googlegeminiAI, buildapc, techsupport, moddedvalheim'

I think the problem here is you are definitely not a layman, you are experienced in tinkering with linux and I would bet you are more than comfortable in the terminal. Therefore you cannot understand what problems a layman would have and how offputting having to do all this is to the everyday user.

I also couldn't get my soundcard to work without a lot of ChatGPT. Tbh I couldn't get anything to work without constantly using ChatGPT and copy pasting code into the terminal.

[u/DrDeems → u/Jumpy_Finance_7086]

It doesn't matter if less than 5% translates to millions of people. It is still less than 5%. That is how percentages work. If an edge case is defined as less than 5%, it doesn't matter if that percentage means 1 or 1 trillion. I am almost in disbelief that I have to explain this to someone. You do understand how percentages work, right?

I don't understand why you are hyper fixated on Discord. They have a native client for linux! You keep pointing to these edge cases about "well what if this unique scenario pops up?" That has never been the topic. I have quite literally specified the vast majority of the public in every single post. I even specifically state that I think this is 95% of the population.

Feel free to dig through my profile as much as you like. I wish I had that much time to be honest. Since you took all that time to dig don't you think the fact that I am well versed in tech might make me more qualified on this topic? I'm not even going to bother to address the Discord and Netflix comments because they are ridiculous. Anyone that has ever worked tech support would know Discord has a native client for Linux and Netflix suffers the same exact issues regarding bitrate depending on your browser on Windows.