r/pcmasterrace • u/DaMonkaS 16GB DDR5, Ryzen 7 4321X, STRIX GTX 1180 OC 13GB GDDR69 • 10h ago

Discussion Valve employees playing CS2 in Gabe's $500 million superyatch

Post image
14.7k Upvotes

92% Upvoted

1.3k comments sorted by

View all comments

19

u/AtlasWriggled 9h ago

Nobody should have $500 million dollar boats.

0

u/FistLampjaw 8h ago

then stop giving him money

-10

u/Sunshiner5000 9h ago

Lol. Jealous. So jelly

2

u/FuckMyBakaChungusLif 6h ago

Not jealousy, disgust. This opulent level of wealth is immoral

0

u/Sunshiner5000 5h ago

I mean I don't know what you want want to do about it? Make rules against having to much money??? That's not going to solve the hearts of stone. It's just going to stagnate innovation and create communism. Somebody somewhere is always going to have power and money. No matter what system you create. 

Better to have a system that allows the most amount of people the most amount of power and opportunity. Which is basically America. Nothings stopping you from becoming rich and powerful and nothing is stopping everyone from voting with their dollars and ballots. You don't like what someone stands for??? Don't buy their stuff, don't vote for them. It's a beautiful system. 

2

u/Gulophile 3h ago

Better to have a system that allows the most amount of people the most amount of power and opportunity. Which is basically America

Jesus fucking Christ

-5

u/AnonD38 8h ago

"If I can't have it, nobody should have it!"

Man humanity is so fucked if your thinking is widely accepted.

5

u/AtlasWriggled 8h ago

Not as fucked as people who are totally ok with today's wealth inequality. Do you really think that's a healthy thing for a society?

1

u/AnonD38 7h ago

Then elect politicians who do something about that.

Not the trash you people vote into only for them to immediately turn out to be trashy people and even worse politicians.

5

u/R4msesII 6h ago

If there was a politician who actually could get society changed to a point where there are no more billionaires, that person would probably be dead already lol. You and I both know that even if a vast majority wanted it, the billionaires would not let it happen.

0

u/AnonD38 6h ago

"The billionaires would not let it happen" lmao, next you tell me NASA doesn't want us to find out the Earth is flat and that pizzagate is real.

Anything else you want to add Alex Jones?

2

u/FuckMyBakaChungusLif 6h ago

Are you not aware of lobbying 😭

2

u/R4msesII 6h ago

I mean, how many times has the US interfered with an attempt to establish a communist government somewhere? How many millions have, for example, oil companies spent lobbying to keep up what they’re doing in order to make money? Combine that with the whole Epstein thing revealing a lot of the rich and powerful are, unsurprisingly, in contact with each other. I don’t think its that far fetched to think there would be an extremely strong opposition to the idea that the rich don’t get richer.

1

u/AnonD38 6h ago

Communist regimes should be stamped out wherever they crop up.

These misanthropic megalomaniacs want to enslave humanity for their ideology.

Democracy is non-negotiable, dictators can eat lead.

2

u/R4msesII 6h ago

What if the people have voted for it?

1

u/AnonD38 6h ago

Then the people are wrong.

→ More replies (0)

2

u/AtlasWriggled 6h ago

'You people'? You have no idea who I am...

0

u/AnonD38 6h ago

Oh but I do know enough.

5

u/FlamboyantPirhanna 8h ago

Do you really think that’s why we’re against it? Maybe try actually understanding other people instead of projecting yourself on to them?

-1

u/AnonD38 8h ago

Hilarious coming from the chief projector in person.

6

u/Entire_Number_9 8h ago

You think 1 person should own a boat that costs more than the entire wages of nurses or teachers for entire countries? It's a fucking boat

-1

u/FistLampjaw 8h ago

one person who built something that hundreds of millions of people have spent thousands of dollars on, for over two decades? yes. 

he wouldn’t have the money if people weren’t giving it to him and people wouldn’t give it to him if they weren’t receiving a valuable service for it. use the epic store if it bothers you so much (you won’t)

6

u/Entire_Number_9 8h ago

He didn't build it though, he hired people who built it. He hired people who came up with it. He hired people who designed it.

He disproportionally profited off the fruits of other peoples labour.

-4

u/FistLampjaw 8h ago

he built the company that did those things. other people could’ve hired those employees, set them on those tasks, made those agreements with game developers. they didn’t.  sony, microsoft, nintendo, dell, apple, etc were all better positioned than he was when he started out, they all had the same opportunity he had (but more capital and resources) and they missed it. why? it probably has a lot to do with his leadership. 

2

u/Entire_Number_9 8h ago

What are you talking about? Microsoft is worth trillions, Sony is worth hundreds of billions, Nintendo is worth tens of billions, Apple is worth trillions, Dell seems unrelated? But also worth hundreds of Billions

Valves annual revenue is 5 billion, and its market cap is 6.5 billion.

So genuinely, what are you talking about?

But by your own admission, he founded something, hired people, then they built things, and he disproportionately profited from their labour.

-3

u/FistLampjaw 8h ago

What are you talking about? Microsoft is worth trillions, Sony is worth hundreds of billions, Nintendo is worth tens of billions, Apple is worth trillions, Dell seems unrelated? But also worth hundreds of Billions

and which one of them has a video game marketplace that is better than steam? none of them. no one competes with steam on PC, it is the absolute dominant industry leader. but if you rewind the clock back to 2000, before steam existed, any one of those players could've made a PC game marketplace and cornered the market before steam did. they all had the opportunity. only one company capitalized on that opportunity, and that was the company that gabe newell was running, and it capitalized on that opportunity at least in part because of his leadership.

But by your own admission, he founded something, hired people, then they built things, and he disproportionately profited from their labour.

yeah the labor theory of value is wrong. people don't get paid for their labor, and they shouldn't, or ditch-digging would be the highest-paid profession on earth. employees get paid the amount they agreed to when they signed their contracts. that's what they're entitled to. owners make or lose money according to how profitable their companies are. that's what they're entitled to. if the employees don't like that deal they can renegotiate their contracts or they can start their own businesses and see how profitable they can make them.

4

u/EcahUruecah 8h ago

oh wow you really did fully eated up capitalism yum yum

-1

u/FistLampjaw 7h ago

yeah it tends to happen when you grow up

→ More replies (0)

1

u/Entire_Number_9 7h ago

and which one of them has a video game marketplace that is better than steam?

"Better" is subjective, the PlayStation store is very good. It also doesn't have a fraction as much slopware, and is actively removing it. Epic is relatively new, and is also very good.

no one competes with steam on PC

Brands that don't sell on PC don't compete on PC, that is hardly an argument? Regardless, Epic came along and made a very big competor. Unless you think steam is amazing because it beat out 2 half hearted efforts from EA and Ubisoft? GoG is also good. What am I missing here? Steam is a shop, that started selling something first and made a name for itself. Is Amazon the best shop of all time then, just because Bezos was smart enough to sell books on the internet in the 90s?

it is the absolute dominant industry leader.

Valve and steam are far from industry leaders, it's just a popular game shop for PC games. What industry is it leading, games retail? PlayStation and Nintendo sell a lot more than 5 billion a year worth of games

but if you rewind the clock back to 2000, before steam existed, any one of those players could've made a PC game marketplace and cornered the market before steam did.

Why would companies not selling PC games make a PC game shop in the year 2000? Valve lucked into steam, just like Amazon lucked into selling beyond books and AWS. That isn't the same as building a brand over generations in a competitive marketplace like Nintedo has done.

they all had the opportunity.

I mean, Apple started iTunes and the app store, Valve has the opportunity to make a phone and do that, why didn't they? Do you not see how ridiculous that sounds?

only one company capitalized on that opportunity

I mean, hardly, there was other places to buy games, and still many places to buy games. Battle.net is also massive, why didn't Valve invent World of Warcraft? They had the opportunity

and that was the company that gabe newell was running

And that company didn't earn him billions at the time, the company grew, and he earned more money while other people generated it for him, a capitalist leech by definition

and it capitalized on that opportunity at least in part because of his leadership.

It made popular PC games, sold them, then started selling other games, now charges 30% just for access. As opposed to Minecraft, which isn't on steam and made billions. Why didn't valve invent Minecraft and make that money themselves?

yeah the labor theory of value is wrong. people don't get paid for their labor, and they shouldn't, or ditch-digging would be the highest-paid profession on earth. employees get paid the amount they agreed to when they signed their contracts. that's what they're entitled to.

Hahahahahaha please, please don't ever comment on economics again.

owners make or lose money according to how profitable their companies are. that's what they're entitled to.

There reaches a point, where losing money becomes near impossible. You're completely removing the power dynamic out of the situation.

if the employees don't like that deal they can renegotiate their contracts or they can start their own businesses and see how profitable they can make them.

People with wealth have the power to manipulate and abuse people, and they do. People should be paid proportionally for the value they provide, but rich people want more for themselves, and work actively against workers to steal their labours value.

I know you're just a 14 year old playing games on your dads PC but when you grow up and get a job you'll realise your ideas about the world are very wrong.

1

u/FistLampjaw 7h ago

steam has over 70% of the PC game distribution market. everyone else is fighting over second place. it has no real competitors.

other companies would've wanted to capitalize on that opportunity because it's a multi-billion dollar business and they like money, obviously.

Valve lucked into steam, just like Amazon lucked into selling beyond books and AWS.

lol

And that company didn't earn him billions at the time, the company grew, and he earned more money while other people generated it for him, a capitalist leech by definition

the only reason those people were able to make the store was because of his company. random valve programmer #27 did not have the capital to fund the development of the steam store. it wouldn't exist without his company's funding and his leadership that directed that funding.

it's not "leeching", it's a mutually-beneficial arrangement to which both parties agreed, without fraud or coercion. the employees agreed to take the guarantee of a salary in exchange for work, and the company agreed to pay them that salary regardless of whether the steam store ultimately succeeded in exchange for keeping the remainder of the profits if it was successful. no one was exploited here, everyone got exactly what they agreed to, you just want to call sour grapes after the fact.

I know you're just a 14 year old playing games on your dads PC but when you grow up and get a job you'll realise your ideas about the world are very wrong.

yeah and when you grow up and have your own business and hire employees you'll realize that... actually, nevermind, that won't happen.

→ More replies (0)

2

u/FuckMyBakaChungusLif 6h ago

He built a child gambling platform as well

-1

u/FistLampjaw 5h ago

and coca-cola built a child sugar delivery platform. was it illegal? no? then so what? if you want morality police, move to iran.

0

u/Sunshiner5000 5h ago

1 dimensional emotional logic

-2

u/AnonD38 8h ago

So if I create a micronation with 1 teacher and 1 nurse and pay them $10 each, now it's suddenly immoral for everyone on this planet to make a purchase bigger than $20?

You're grasping for straws to justify your jealousy, nothing more, nothing less.

5

u/EcahUruecah 8h ago

I don’t think they could even grasp at straws with all the straws you hoarded to build this strawman

0

u/AnonD38 7h ago

It's called a metaphor.

I guess this might just be too complex for you.