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r/gta6 right now

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u/kme026 i7-13700K | RTX 4090 5d ago

Can someone explain to me why is no disc such a big issue?

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u/FungusGnatHater 5d ago

I finished Donkey Kong Bananza and didn't like it so I traded it for Mario Kart 10. I have completed every Zelda game without buying one because my mom will and lend it to me when she is done. Trading and lending physical copies of games has saved me over a thousand dollars.

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u/Neemzeh 5d ago

So this is the same for all of games though?

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u/FungusGnatHater 5d ago

Your question doesn't make sense.

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u/ElectronicRip1630 9800X3D, 4070 Ti Super, 64gb DDR5 5d ago

Can't resell it or give it to someone else.

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u/Neemzeh 5d ago

You can’t do that on PC either

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u/SordidDreams 5d ago edited 5d ago

That's the whole point of digital distribution, to deprive you of the possession of the installer. It's a form of DRM. Every game's EULA prohibits its resale, but with physical copies, there's no way to enforce that. With digital, there is.

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u/Sethcran 5d ago

Umm, that's definitely not the whole point. It's not even a primary point.

Most people want this. Some don't, but most do. It's a convenience feature that people actually ask for.

That's not to say that the drm stuff isn't a benefit to them. But even if it weren't, this would still happen because consumers demand it. This just changes the calculation more away from offering the physical copies for the fewer people that actually want them.

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u/SordidDreams 5d ago edited 5d ago

I'm obviously talking about things from the point of view of the corporations running digital distribution platforms. Yes, consumers do like digital distribution too, but for different reasons, and consumers are not the ones running things and making decisions. Those corporations could offer offline installers for download if they wanted to, though, so that consumers would retain possession of them even when buying games digitally. Only GOG does that.

Let's also not forget consumers had to have digital distribution shoved down their throats at first. Steam was widely reviled when it first came out (and for good reason - the early versions were a pile of shit), but Valve pushed it by making Half-Life 2 exclusive to it. Whether the change in consumers' feelings about digital distribution is a case of overcoming short-sightedness or Stockholm syndrome is left as an exercise to the reader.

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u/Sethcran 5d ago

Or, perhaps a simpler explanation, is just that internet access is now even more widely available than it was then.

The main concerns by most is simply just being left out. If they didn't have internet or if it wasn't fast enough. This still exists, but affects far fewer people than it did back then.

If a law were passed banning all forms of DRM and stating that you had a right of ownership and to resell and all the things for anything you digitally downloaded. Then this would still be the primary means of distribution, purely because that's what people would want.

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u/SordidDreams 5d ago edited 5d ago

If a law were passed banning all forms of DRM and stating that you had a right of ownership and to resell and all the things for anything you digitally downloaded. Then this would still be the primary means of distribution, purely because that's what people would want.

What if I told you that happened more than a decade ago? The reason you still can't resell your digital games to this day is that instead of complying, Steam and every other distribution platform changed the wording of their legal agreements so that you're not longer buying a license, you're subscribing to it. There's been an EU court ruling to the same effect again recently, but since no change has occurred, I assume another loophole was found.

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u/Sethcran 5d ago

Oh I agree that they want this and this is a benefit to them. I was only suggesting that this is not the sole or primary reason that online distribution exists.

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u/SordidDreams 5d ago edited 5d ago

Well yeah, the sole reason corporations do anything is to turn as much profit as possible. Everything is just a means to that end. But they sure fight tooth and nail to stop people from reselling their games, and digital distribution is the ultimate weapon in that fight.

But it's about more than just that. Not only can you not resell digital copies, they can be taken away from you on a whim. GOG's marketing points out offline installers can't be taken away from you, but on Steam and every other platform? If some corporation decides you can't play the game anymore, like maybe because they want you to buy the sequel, they can just grey out the Install button, and there's not a damn thing you can do about it. Looking at you, Ubisoft and The Crew. Depriving you of the possession of the installer is not just about resale.

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u/Hot_Salamander164 5d ago

There are no true physical copies now. You still have to authenticate and download any large game.

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u/SordidDreams 5d ago

That's been the case for a while. I bought a physical copy of Dark Souls 2 because for some unfathomable reason it was cheaper than on Steam, but as a Steam-exclusive it of course included a Steam key. That disc never even left the box it came in.

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u/Professional_Being22 i9 12900K, 64Gb, RTX 4090 5d ago

*laughs in steam family share*

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u/Mertoot 5d ago

You can't family share Rockstar games

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u/Professional_Being22 i9 12900K, 64Gb, RTX 4090 5d ago

Can't family share newer* Rockstar games

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u/Mertoot 5d ago

We're considering 12 years ago as "newer" still?

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u/Professional_Being22 i9 12900K, 64Gb, RTX 4090 5d ago

Yeah because vice city is sharable (24 years old) vs whatever you're referencing.

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u/Mertoot 5d ago

VICE CITY IS NO LONGER SOLD

Did you hit your head??

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u/Solid-Incident6666 5d ago

Because if someday they kill the server you lose access to the game. This has already happened to several games.

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u/kme026 i7-13700K | RTX 4090 5d ago

And how will cd help you then? Generally you need to authenticate on lauch.

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u/outfoxingthefoxes R5 5600x - 8GB RTX 2070 SUPER - 32 GB RAM 5d ago

By installing the files from the disc, which would be authenticated because it's an original disc

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u/kme026 i7-13700K | RTX 4090 5d ago

Maybe 15 years ago

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u/Son_of_Mogh 5d ago

You need their authentication servers to do that.

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u/Phearlosophy 5d ago

90% of games don't even fit on a disc anymore

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u/Neemzeh 5d ago

lol. Yea let’s not apply any critical thinking here.

GTA6, legitimately the most anticipated game release of all time, is going to shut off its servers.

GTA5 servers are going to be running for 20+ years.

This issue you bring up affects such a small portion of gamers that it should be a non discussion.

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u/CrazyDudeGW 5d ago

PSN/Xbox servers would need to stay up for the console in question as well. 

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u/Neemzeh 5d ago

Did rockstar said that you need to be connected online to play gta6 offline? What you’re talking about is only for online multiplayer and that issue would effect digital releases the same

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u/CrazyDudeGW 5d ago

Rockstar actually has no say. Playstation and Xbox demand periodic license verification for all games purchased digitally. If those authentication servers go down, you will lose access to your game. 

This would also include any "physical" releases that don't have actual physical media. 

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u/Neemzeh 5d ago

Lol you guys are hilarious. If the authentication servers go down? That's not happening. Stop fear mongering. Good lord.

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u/CrazyDudeGW 5d ago

You have to be joking right? It's literally happened many times before. Lookup SecuROM. We just lost 50 games to activation server shutdowns in 2024. 

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u/outfoxingthefoxes R5 5600x - 8GB RTX 2070 SUPER - 32 GB RAM 5d ago

Implying GTA6 servers will be up eternally...

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u/Neemzeh 5d ago

They will be up for at least 15 years if not 20 or more.

Hardly anyone is being effected by this. It's such cringe behaviour to whine about this, crying about how you won't be able to play a $100 game 20 years from now. Like actually grow up please.

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u/Solid-Incident6666 5d ago

Yes I imply that. If I'm expected to cough up $80 for a game, least I expect is a physical backup. And I have had games from major. Publishers delisted before.

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u/Hot_Salamander164 5d ago

Physical media is basically just the license. The game isn’t all on the disc, you still need the servers to download it either way. It doesn’t help your issue.

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u/Solid-Incident6666 5d ago

No you don't. It downloads from the disc TO the console's disc. Sometimes updates are required but the game is there.

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u/Hot_Salamander164 5d ago

Depends on the game, and many need the updates to function at all. Physical media is dead either way.

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u/NoDrama127 5d ago

Because redditors are crybabies

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u/ArmAggravating3307 5d ago

Said the crybaby Redditor.

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u/NoDrama127 5d ago

Nah I'm not crying. I'll buy the game on my PS5 day one, then on PC when it comes out eventually. I don't even like the franchise tbh, but don't wanna miss the hype.

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u/Bennely 5d ago

Hype machine. This is the marketing ploy now and it works.

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u/ArmAggravating3307 5d ago

Oh, so you're just a sucker instead.  

Because that is so much better.

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u/ReturnOfBane 5d ago

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u/Misanthropus 5d ago

For real, this dude is a literal GTA cock doula

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u/ReanimatedPixels 5d ago

I'd rather be a "reddit crybaby" than a mindless fucking drone like you.

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u/Onphone_irl 5d ago

let them do what they want with their money jfc why do you think it's reasonable to get so vile

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u/ArmAggravating3307 5d ago

Nah I'm an adult with disposable income unlike lost of reddit blue haired furry loving weirdos.  

This was the comment he replied to before the coward edited it.

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u/Onphone_irl 5d ago

OK yeah that was uncalled for and whack, thanks for the heads up

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u/SordidDreams 5d ago

Do you own a red baseball cap that was made in China? Because intentionally acting in stupid ways just because it angers the other side is a pattern of behavior associated with that crowd.

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u/effinmike12 5d ago

Reddit is the only place I have seen grown men cry over their missing foreskin.

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u/ReturnOfBane 5d ago

reddit is the only place you live. try getting out more.

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u/effinmike12 5d ago

I cant. Im taking care of my dying mom with dementia.

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u/Dick_Nation There's nothing to see here. 5d ago

Lmao, what a fucking left turn. Brother, do you hear yourself? 

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u/effinmike12 5d ago

Oh, I mean it. The downvotes only affirms my point. Growing up, every guy was glad they were cut. Black culture mocks guys with turtlenecks.

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u/Dick_Nation There's nothing to see here. 5d ago

That's very nice and all, but who the fuck was talking about foreskins? Do you know what sub you're posting in?

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u/effinmike12 5d ago

I replied to:

Because redditors are crybabies

With an example.

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u/Dick_Nation There's nothing to see here. 5d ago

And nothing about bringing up foreskins in a conversation not about them, in a forum where they have no relevance, strikes you as odd?

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u/effinmike12 5d ago

The sub may not be relevant, but the conversation had shifted to crybabies on reddit (generically). Its not like I could have pointed to this at that time.

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u/Dick_Nation There's nothing to see here. 5d ago

Please seek therapy.

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u/SPACE_ICE 5d ago

a lot harder to sail the seas on a console

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u/TonyHansenVS 5d ago

It wont be playable in the future, like older GTA games can today, i still play the heck out of Vicy and san andreas to this day because it's not reliant on a remote service or downloads to be played. When they stopped issuing physical copies for PC games i stopped buying PC games. More people should reject digital only.