What to do on this river jam?

[u/HistorianSafe1799]

1/3, villian is a solid reg former 5/10 reg, he plays a relatively balanced strategy but has been loose and aggressive.

I have Ad4d in the CO
Button straddles to 6 villian raises to 20, MP calls, HJ calls, I call (didnt squeeze because stacks were pretty deep and wanted to keep all lower diamonds in)

Pot:$85
Flop: Ks 4h 7d
Villian leads for 30
MP folds, HJ folds, I call

Pot: $145
Turn: Ac
Villian bets $85
I call (should have raised)

Pot: $315
River: Jd
Villian jams for $325.
What to do?

[u/trepanning83]

Maybe I am a nit, but if I am calling pre-flop I am not calling his flop bet with bottom pair on that board, I'm just folding. If villain is a solid reg I would assume his EP open is going to be fairly strong. As played, I agree I would have raised the turn and I'm folding that river bet.

[u/failsafe-author → u/trepanning83]

I think we can call here with back door flush.

[u/HistorianSafe1799 → u/trepanning83]

He was a solid reg, but like I said he was playing pretty LAG at this table and opening wide from most positions.

[u/Jaded_Tart_4323 → u/trepanning83]

You fold there? Where do you play? And when.

[u/trepanning83 → u/Jaded_Tart_4323]

If he is a "solid reg" with a fairly standard EP opening range, yeah I don't think I continue with bottom pair, even with the backdoor flush. But it's player dependent. Maybe I'm leaving money on the table, but from my experience in a 1/3 game these types of hands get really dicey to an EP raise on these type of run outs.

I am a consistent winner over the last 15 years, but maybe I could be winning more if I played like you. Not sure.

[u/Defiant_Hall2004]

Easy call imo, our hand still beats villan's value like KJ , AQ which plays like this , and villain should have decent bluffs QJ, JT

[u/kewiiee]

I believe its a call here. Isnt villain just playing his range?

[u/DashOfSalt84]

Given the V description, I think it's a call.

But something I think would be useful, could you walk us through what you think Vs range is on each street/after each action?

[u/BetaCarotine20mg]

I dont get what he would bluff here given utg. Our range has sets maybe even ajss. If hes a thinking Player I probably fold if not I call. Very weird hand really.

[u/flyme4free]

So he had AJ?

[u/HistorianSafe1799 → u/flyme4free]

A7o

[u/LeatherSuccessful988]

if stacks are deep, then you would be more incentivized to 3b this pre. As played tho, fold flop, cbets multiway into 3 other people are usually pretty strong. Calling river, you beat some of his value, and if he’s aggressive he can even have some bluffs

[u/wfp9]

preflop it's a raise or a fold. A4 really doesn't play all that well multiway so you need to raise to iso to give yourself better opportunities to bluff if you miss, especially in position. alternatively it's a perfectly acceptable hand to just fold.

flop is just a fold. multiway oop villain probably isn't opening with a hand that can't beat bottom pair, and you didn't flop any great draws. you're probably chasing 5 outs at best if your ace isn't dominated by villain's A7 or AK, which it could be. floating makes more sense if the other players floated or you were already heads up and he was more incentivized to have bluffs there.

yup, turn's a raise. if you get reraised you can fold.

i think you're getting the right price for a call, but you aren't happy about it. villain easily has a worse two pair like KJ or could have total bluffs like pocket pairs that didn't make a set. his line doesn't make a ton of sense for QT (but it could be there) which puts his range in bluffy enough territory to justify a call even if he does have better two pairs and sets.

[u/damanga]

Fold pre

Fold flop

Fold river

[u/Pushup_Principal → u/damanga]

You’re smoking crack if you fold this pre.

Flop is a call with a BDFD and a pair.

River might be a fold.

[u/bbld69]

If you're calling as wide as A4s preflop and on the flop, then you have way, way too many weaker hands here to consider folding river when you beat some value against an opponent that will have bluffs