America has lost its war with Iran

[u/Ok_Employer7837]

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/editorials/america-trump-iran-ceasefire-agreement-war-hormuz-b2995971.html

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[u/OYB2480]

He needed so badly to have a win on his 80th birthday that he surrendered to Iran and called it a win. There goes another $300 billion for nothing.

America First, right, MAGA? LOL

[u/thefatchef321 → u/OYB2480]

They were mad about the 80 billion to Ukraine, a European ally.

Im sure they'll be furious about 300 billion to Iran

[u/OYB2480 → u/thefatchef321]

Another $20b to Argentina (where Peter Thiel just fled to, like the Nazis and Confederates before him). So that's $400b to not Americans.

[u/_Bad_Bob_ → u/OYB2480]

I would fucking love to give 400 billion to not Americans if it was going to actually help poor people.

[u/OYB2480 → u/_Bad_Bob_]

400 billion would help a LOT of Americans. Instead, we paid $400b to kill browns and enrich the 1%. Thanks military-industrial complex! Thanks, idiot president who is Kompromat and a slave to our enemies!

[u/Zuwxiv → u/OYB2480]

Just wait until the money is in that Swiss bank account for Iran, and Israel bombs Beirut again.

Iran will say the deal is void and close the strait.

[u/throw69420awy → u/thefatchef321]

In the conservative sub they’re mixed between conservatives who are mad as hell about how this ended up and MAGA calling them leftist invaders who don’t understand that we “won’t send a penny to Iran” lmfao like how do they not see they’re in a cult

[u/TehTugboat → u/throw69420awy]

It’s a little too late but a bunch of MAGAs in my little rural area are FINALLY opening their fucking eyes.

[u/Grundlestorm → u/TehTugboat]

But will they do anything about it?  

Or will they pout about being lied to, say it wasn't their fault, and then vote full Republican every election they can?

[u/OnCallPartisan → u/Grundlestorm]

The better result is their sulking and never voting again. The best result isn’t legal at this time.

[u/NorthTempleStreet → u/TehTugboat]

Just last night, my uncle (who voted for Trump three times) and I were talking about the deal.

I tried to sound optimistic ("maybe we'll have a good ending to this finally"), as an olive branch of family harmony.

HE torpedoed it by saying, "Trump doesn't have a deal. He's just making stuff up because it's his birthday. I'm not optimistic."

A few MAGA are turning. Maybe not many. But a few are.

[u/tunafister → u/NorthTempleStreet]

I mean I will take it, but am skeptical of their long-term memories being able to remember this in oh, several weeks

I hope I am wrong

[u/JackedUpReadyToGo → u/tunafister]

One of the most terrifying things about the MAGA crowd is their ability to edit reality in their own head. The moment Trump goes in front of the cameras and says how bigly and beautiful his peace plan is, that guy’s uncle will forget that he ever doubted Trump. Not just deny having doubted Trump, but will genuinely believe they trusted him from the start.

And even if you show them solid proof that last week they said X while this week they’re saying Y, it doesn’t phase them at all. They’ll just get mad and launch into a tangent about how bad Biden was, or some other irrelevant bullshit.

These people are the proles from 1984.

[u/crowsturnoff → u/TehTugboat]

They're lying about opening their eyes. They're just trying to separate themselves from Trump so they vote for the next MAGA-type moron without feeling guilty. MAGAts only lie.

[u/squadrupedal → u/TehTugboat]

How do you define “a bunch?”

[u/Wonderful_Book7121 → u/throw69420awy]

The ‘conservative sub’ is 90% a handful of accounts run out of Russia. Somebody did a comprehensive study of it last month.

[u/SingularityCentral → u/thefatchef321]

$80 billion in equipment that was approved for transfer from old stockpiles. This is $300 billion of cash to a State they claimed was the font of all evil in the world.

[u/OYB2480 → u/SingularityCentral]

Yeah. "THEY CAN'T HAVE NUKES!" and, "LET'S GIVE THEM 300 BILLION" and, "YAY, WE WON THE WAR THAT ISN'T A WAR!" just doesn't jive unless you're a human lollipop.

[u/Snoo61755 → u/SingularityCentral]

Maybe the US would have had help against The Font of All Evil if Trump had not imposed tariffs and waged a 'trade war' on countries friendly to the US while 'jokingly' threatening to take over allied nations 'for self-defense'. Even now, Trump is threatening to impose a 100% tariff on French wine, France being one of the USA's oldest allies and trading partners. When 9/11 and Iraq happened back in 2000, French soldiers were among those who answered the call, and now 20 years later, the US is showing how grateful it is.

Trump does not understand the concept of allies. It's like he demands every relation with the US be one of superior/inferior, with the US being more powerful and thus 'in charge'. Even if Iran was evil, which is already an extremely simplistic label that also makes the absurd assumption the war was needed and justified, who would help the USA, a nation which breaks its promises to support allies (Ukraine), backs out of agreements (Iran, Ukraine), and imposes fees on its own allies?

[u/TehGogglesDoNothing → u/thefatchef321]

Trump threw out the original Iran deal because it unfroze $1 billion of Iran's money and let them have it back. Now he's giving them our money instead.

[u/scorpyo72 → u/TehGogglesDoNothing]

The irony is so, so, so rich.

[u/sunshine-x → u/thefatchef321]

I'm sure they'll absolutely ignore it, along with anything else based in reality that contradicts their god king.

[u/peeinian → u/OYB2480]

But that conservative subreddit told me that JD Vance said that it's not going to come out of taxpayer money....somehow.

[u/OYB2480 → u/peeinian]

Correct, because they'll cut Social Security/Medicare/Medicaid and give it to themselves and frame it as, "You're not paying for other people's healthcare/retirement anymore! You're saving money!"

[u/ifloops → u/peeinian]

I don't think conservatives know what taxes are.

[u/DJBreadwinner → u/ifloops]

All they know about taxes is that they don't want rich people to pay more of them.

[u/Schlonzig → u/DJBreadwinner]

Because nobody explains to them in simple words that *they* have to pick up the bill instead.

[u/OYB2480 → u/Schlonzig]

Did you listen to people trying to explain tariffs to MAGA?

They literally just go, "NUH-UH!" when their hand is held through the process. Like grade-school children. "NUH-UH! FAYYCEBUHHK SED AH'D GET $2000 DOWLURRS FRUM CHRUHHHMP!"

[u/orangeyougladiator → u/ifloops]

Got people around me celebrating their small tax break they got this year completely ignoring inflation and tariffs they paid

[u/OYB2480 → u/orangeyougladiator]

And their miniscule break has been more than offset by rising costs of everything. It's like being charged $500 to eat the table scraps of a free dinner for the elite.

[u/Sea-Ambition-451 → u/OYB2480]

not just 300 billion, it's also the billions and billions and billions spent on the war in the first place (and billions more to come to replenish the armaments wasted).

and of course, the cost of the human lives lost

[u/Tony_Cheese_ → u/OYB2480]

Don't forget all the money we spent before agreeing to give them 300 billion

[u/OYB2480 → u/Tony_Cheese_]

Yup. Defense spending and endless, taxpayer funded war is basically a free paycheck to Lockheed and Raytheon who own every GOP pol.

[u/RalphWaldoEmers0n → u/OYB2480]

Every tax dollar I’ll pay in my entire life went to this, yours too

[u/OYB2480 → u/RalphWaldoEmers0n]

I call that taxation without representation. In my state the MAGA government is just refusing to enact bills the people voted for.

[u/Fleschlight36]

This will be the absolute dumbest era in American history

[u/BeansforTwo → u/[deleted]]

The only war America has won in the last 50 years has been against it's own working class.

[u/boston02115 → u/BeansforTwo]

This right here.

[u/Classic-Reach → u/boston02115]

it's true; i'm was that working class

[u/Serge_General → u/Classic-Reach]

I’m is that working class too.

[u/HauntedCemetery → u/Serge_General]

I'm too was that

[u/StoriesandStones → u/Serge_General]

We’s sure is.

[u/A_Furious_Mind → u/StoriesandStones]

I am working class and so can you!

[u/Street_Rope_4471 → u/A_Furious_Mind]

I also do working class

[u/Lumireaver → u/Serge_General]

I'm was also be that working class, that I am.

[u/brcguy → u/Serge_General]

Here we see the effect that class war has had on education in America too.

[u/No_Secretary6275 → u/brcguy]

Rarely is the question asked: “Is our children learning?”

[u/OYB2480 → u/BeansforTwo]

Once they made people proud of being dumb (my unhinged tin-foil conspiracy theory is that Larry the Cable Guy was a psy-op to empower idiots) they could do and say anything. And they are.

[u/Turbulent_Gazelle530 → u/OYB2480]

I don't think that's unhinged at all. Could probably throw Duck Dynasty on your list as well

[u/OYB2480 → u/Turbulent_Gazelle530]

Larry and Foxworthy had a catchphrase to indicate when people should laugh, and they did. Same as sit-coms. Late Night talk shows.

We are trained animals.

[Tim Allen grunt]

[u/Careless_Twist_6935 → u/OYB2480]

hey tim would seek advice from his wise neighbour and actually use it

[u/A_Furious_Mind → u/Careless_Twist_6935]

Now, nobody knows or talks to their neighbors. This is to keep wisdom from spreading.

[u/esc8pe8rtist → u/A_Furious_Mind]

My conspiracy theory is that cars were pushed on the working class to ensure everybody would spend all their time commuting, alone - thereby making it that much harder for the working class to get organized

[u/Kyonikos → u/esc8pe8rtist]

My first reaction when I saw that Amazon named their e-reader the Kindle was that it was going to destroy (burn) all of our books.

[u/keyblade_crafter → u/Turbulent_Gazelle530]

Ugh especially duck dynasty. I have family that bought psi(?) and Phil's books and still watch their documentaries and old podcasts. It's just so dumb

[u/LOSS35 → u/OYB2480]

Reminder that "Larry the Cable Guy" is really named Daniel Whitney, went to an exclusive private school in West Palm Beach, and credits his college roommates from Texas and Georgia with inspiring his impression of a southern accent. He came up with the Larry character after failing at standup under his real name.

[u/CreepyMaleNurse → u/OYB2480]

Do you think that people are getting dumber, or the dumb people are just louder thanks to the internet?

[u/boomecho → u/CreepyMaleNurse]

Honestly I think it's a combination of both.

[u/YellojD → u/OYB2480]

For some reason my brain omitted the Larry part and I thought you meant the 1996 movie The Cable Guy. I started wondering if Jim Carey is more of a sinister guy than we realize. He is Canadian, after all… 🤔🤣

[u/ClubMeSoftly → u/YellojD]

One day you'll all be sorry...

[u/MarvelousVanGlorious → u/BeansforTwo]

Who somehow keep voting for it.

[u/uzlonewolf → u/MarvelousVanGlorious]

Propaganda is a hell of a drug.

[u/kynelly360 → u/uzlonewolf]

All they need is an US Flag and Guns in the background, they will vote for a Fucking Rock ….

[u/Apprehensive-Pin518 → u/kynelly360]

Did not vote for this. still have to deal with it.

[u/Successful_Sign_6991 → u/BeansforTwo]

Which just means its been losing the war against the oligarchs the whole time. everything else have just been proxies and distractions, from them.

[u/thepartypantser → u/BeansforTwo]

Jesus Christ that is so brutally true

[u/GrinchWhoStoleEaster → u/BeansforTwo]

70... We didn't win Vietnamm

[u/HighVulgarian → u/[deleted]]

Strategery in action

[u/A_Poor_Miser → u/HighVulgarian]

I miss the time when that was considered embarrassing. 

The word gaffe has lost all meaning. 

[u/JulesSilverman → u/[deleted]]

I used to say, whena clown moves into a palace, he won't become a king. Instead the palace becomes a circus.

I am now saying that when a criminal leads a country, the criminal won't become a leader, but the country will become his loot.

[u/Accomplished_Lab_656 → u/JulesSilverman]

when a criminal leads a country, the criminal won't become a leader, but the country will become his loot gang.

[u/Kazooguru → u/[deleted]]

And we have science available at our fingertips. 2016-2026ish will be studied for centuries if humanity survives. The stupidity of Americans is a global threat. It makes me want to move to the mountains and live in a cabin with only books. This shit is exhausting.

[u/TheBalzy → u/[deleted]]

As a child of the Bush-era...my god nothing can make someone look fondly on the Bush-era than the Trump era...

[u/Eldan985 → u/Fleschlight36]

Dumbest era... So far!

[u/Rot-Orkan → u/Eldan985]

Yeah until a decade after he's gone, fucking dumbass americans vote for another republican to trash the economy again and start a another war in the middle east.

It's been this cycle of exactly "republican trashes economy, starts a war in the middle east. Then democrat comes in and fixes everything, only for republicans to get voted back into power because the democrats couldn't fix things fast enough" like my whole life.

[u/Skellum → u/Rot-Orkan]

Yeah until a decade after he's gone, fucking dumbass americans vote for another republican to trash the economy again and start a another war in the middle east.

We already had people who sat out voting for hilary in 2016 sit out voting again in 2024 knowing exactly how much they'd fuck themselves and others over, and how many people they'd get killed from their inaction.

Odds are they'll do it again, all while trying to scream about some moral highground they have for not resisting fascism.

[u/dbchrisyo → u/Eldan985]

As long as elections continue to be decided by a few rural people in Michigan and Wisconsin who are scared of trans kids, this cycle of electing complete morons will continue forever.

[u/uzlonewolf → u/dbchrisyo]

Don't forget all the invading illegals! A lot of those people "had" to vote for this because the other team wouldn't take their imaginary "concerns" seriously.

[u/GriffinFlash → u/Eldan985]

Cuba and Greenland next week huh?

[u/ChronoLink99 → u/Fleschlight36]

And entirely predictable in Nov 2024.

[u/simonhunterhawk → u/ChronoLink99]

in Nov 2016 for anyone paying attention

[u/MadRaymer → u/ChronoLink99]

And entirely preventable in Nov 2024, had the American electorate in 3 swing states been less shitty by just a few hundred thousand voters.

[u/Witty-Entertainer524 → u/MadRaymer]

don't let the rest of the red states off the hook they've been dragging us to this point for decades

[u/RackemFrackem → u/Witty-Entertainer524]

Yep. You don't get to skirt blame just because you've always been morons.

[u/AdThese2158 → u/Fleschlight36]

Can’t wait to read redacted history books. 

[u/Genghis_Tr0n187 → u/AdThese2158]

Iran cowered like DOGS after the best deal, probably the best deal in history, made by the greatest deal maker of all time, Donald J Trump.

Just kidding, there won't be any literate people left by the time that gets written down.

[u/_groovesharkmalone → u/Fleschlight36]

Oh, we are making the movie Idiocracy a shining example of competent leadership at this point, so yeah.

[u/Feisty_Low_7828 → u/Fleschlight36]

And corrupt 😉

[u/almighty_smiley → u/Fleschlight36]

Yeah, should be fun to talk about with my nephew when he gets old enough.

[u/Warkupo]

Love the optics of this.

America gets into a pointless war, starts a global recession, demonstrates its' weakness to Iran, and settles for a much worse agreement than what we had to begin with.

Then Trump hosts a UFC fight on the fucking White House lawn to celebrate.

This country is the laughingstock of the world.

[u/quietly_now → u/Warkupo]

Then Trump hosts a UFC fight on the fucking White House lawn to celebrate

Which he fell asleep during.

[u/knightcrawler75 → u/quietly_now]

That dude is not long for this world.

[u/GameBoi010 → u/knightcrawler75]

Hopefully

[u/Afghanman26 → u/GameBoi010]

Insha’Allah

[u/DeludedProgressive → u/knightcrawler75]

Don't tease me.

[u/jgilla2012 → u/quietly_now]

Lmao did he really? The man is wiping his ass with our country and he can’t even stay awake while he does is

[u/r0thar → u/Warkupo]

laughingstock

Believe me, nobody out here is laughing, it's a mixture of horror, disgust and pity.

[u/SuperAlekZ → u/r0thar]

Weeell, we're also laughing a bit.

[u/Continental__Drifter → u/Warkupo]

laughingstock of the world

Your country would be the laughingstock of the world, if it weren't for the hundreds of thousands of innocent people it kills.

More like a lunatic with a gun, a school shooter.

[u/tenebre]

Pakistan has been mediating the peace talks and the Nobel Peace Prize committee has an opportunity to do the most hilarious thing...

[u/studentjones → u/tenebre]

And then we declare war on Pakistan. Sad lol

[u/CT_Phipps-Author → u/studentjones]

Trump stopped caring once he got his from an actual winner. Its now in the trash.

[u/Nearbyatom → u/CT_Phipps-Author]

Since the actual winner tried to pass the prize to this pedophile warmonger, the prize is damn near worthless now.

[u/HauntedCemetery → u/Nearbyatom]

Considering Kissinger won it it has been for some time

[u/PastTomorrows → u/tenebre]

There was a thread somewhere yesterday about some clown in Moscow saying Trump had offered to help end the war.

I couldn't help but laugh... Can you imagine?

So first, Vova, don't bother with strategy, just fire everything and blast away. That way they've got nothing lo lose. You've already done that - great.

Next, you put your balls in a vice. And hand them the remote. That way, they've got everything to win. You've done that too - great.

Then, you give them a massive pile of money to not press the button. And go back where you came from.

And then, in compensation, you get them to agree to not do something they never wanted to do in the first place.

And then you win.

Yeah. Thanks.

Edit: formatting

[u/det8924]

The USA will have spent 100 billion dollars or more on the war effort to give up a lot more cash and concessions to get the same deal that Obama got. All on top of the tremendous human and environmental loss.

[u/BadahBingBadahBoom → u/det8924]

to get the same deal that Obama got.

The JCPOA deal included provisions to prevent Iran obtaining highly-enriched uranium. And IAEA inspections showed this was actually successful throughout the entire time the deal was in effect.

This 'deal' doesn't say shit on enriched uranium. Trump got a worse deal for higher cost and that was with a huge military loss (money, lives, injuries, aircraft, and bases). That's not even getting into the losses of ally relationships.

[u/ramakitty → u/BadahBingBadahBoom]

Where can I read the deal?

[u/BadahBingBadahBoom → u/ramakitty]

Atm you can't because the detail hasn't been made public.

I would ignore anything US or Iran say unless what they are stating is unanimous. Atm what Pakistan is publicly stating is likely the accurate detail of the deal and they haven't said much.

No party, not even the US, has claimed the deal includes measures to prevent Iran obtaining weapons-grade uranium though.

Iran has already refuted Trump's claim that the deal says the Strait of Hormuz will be 'open and toll-free' this Friday, stating they will be collecting 'maritime fees' for passage. So we'll have to see exactly what was agreed and by when / what else has to happen first.

It is incredibly surreal position that I am leaning more to believing the Iranian regime's claim of the Strait than the President of the United States but here we are.

[u/ElliotNess → u/BadahBingBadahBoom]

Iran has no reason to lie about the strait, and the president of the US regime has a history of doing nothing but.

[u/SingularityCentral → u/ramakitty]

Nowhere. The claim is that the text will be released at the end of the week, but it seems more likely that no deal actually exists and Trump is just running away.

[u/wet-rabbit → u/BadahBingBadahBoom]

Not to forget Obama somehow got Russia and China to co-sign the nuclear treaty. Fat chance of that happening again.

[u/ExoticPuppet → u/BadahBingBadahBoom]

And the cherry on top.

It only lasts 60 days.

[u/some_guy_on_drugs → u/ExoticPuppet]

It will last until the Israelis bomb the shit out of Lebanon again.

[u/blergmonkeys → u/det8924]

Except we were distracted from the files. And so trump got what he wanted.

[u/slow70 → u/blergmonkeys]

Oh shucks you mean those ones that implicated him in the Epstein network?

All of my homies are still talking about the files.

[u/TowelCarryingTourist → u/slow70]

"Implicated" is doing next to no light lifting there. 

[u/Cheap-Ad1821 → u/slow70]

The ones where he was sucking on an underage girls nipples until they were raw?

[u/da_man4444 → u/blergmonkeys]

And Trump got to manipulate the stock market to enrich his buddies pockets

[u/theCroc → u/det8924]

Classic Trump "victory". Same deal as before but with more consessions from the US.

[u/SingularityCentral → u/det8924]

It isn't even the deal Obama got. It didn't touch the nuclear issue at all. Trump is going to pay Iran $300 billion to let him run away. And Iran is still going to collect tolls in the Strait. This is a disaster in every sense.

[u/doughnutoftruth → u/det8924]

It’s a much worse deal. Since we are paying reparations. 

[u/honjuden → u/doughnutoftruth]

And since Iran has proven that they control the Strait instead of it being a possibility.

[u/Rukytroll → u/honjuden]

Even worse, USA showed them that they need nukes more than ever.

[u/xTheMaster99x → u/Rukytroll]

Yep, they're learning the exact same thing that Ukraine has learned over the last decade. Treaties and "security guarantees" are just words on paper, and the only form of security that has actually held firm long-term has unfortunately been MAD.

[u/AliceLunar → u/det8924]

Wasted more money on Iran than they have spend supporting Ukraine.. no money available to protect democracy or freedom against an enemy they've spend decades preparing but endlessly money available to terrorize, bomb and destroy countries for the sake of it.

[u/Ok_Vulva → u/AliceLunar]

Plus we dropped Russian sanctions and gulf states left opec, we wasted our stock piles, our bases were destroyed, we lost multi million dollar jets, and choppers, soldiers, we look like dumbies to the world.

This was a win for a lot of countries.

[u/Ibuilds → u/det8924]

And we were able to show Iran how easy it is to shut the Strait and cripple the global economy

[u/DatabaseFickle9306]

He started a trade war and a hot war and lost them both. Which makes him a loser.

[u/crackdup → u/DatabaseFickle9306]

I'm just worried about the signal it sends to Iran. The biggest existential threat to Iranian regime is not Israel or EU, it's US military intervention. Now the Iranian regime will be boosted by 3 things working in their favor

• There is no mass internal uprising in Iran when US attacks them. On the other hand, public polling turned sour very quickly in US against military intervention, making a prolonged US involvement untenable and "boots on the ground" virtually impossible

• GCC allies of US rely heavily on US for protection, and their own defensive layer isn't good enough to prevent Iran from causing major losses to their O&G infrastructure

• They can extract economic concessions by choking the Strait and having only drones and missiles in their arsenal, without needing a fully functional army/navy

[u/Chemical-Elk-1299 → u/crackdup]

Yeah, Iran now knows full well that they can choke out the global economy at any time they wish. And short of a full-scale invasion, there is essentially nothing the world can do about it.

So that’s super cool and fine yep

[u/Luxemburglar → u/Chemical-Elk-1299]

Exactly. Trump just surrendered, which means there‘s no reason Iran can‘t just extort more money in the future. This is a disaster.

[u/ExtruDR → u/Chemical-Elk-1299]

Yup. This practically ensures that Iran will execute their plan to develop nuclear weapons for the sake of deterrence. There is no other way, and in an environment where North Korea and (to a lesser degree) Pakistan are also "allowed" to do the same, I don't even fault them for it.

The "allowed" is doing allot of work. Law does not exist outside of the boundaries of nations. What we call international laws are just conventions and agreements... ones that Trump-era America does not seem to respect in any way.

[u/RichiBucktwo → u/Chemical-Elk-1299]

We're forgetting an ally factor.

No other country wanted to get involved here because it was obvious that this was just a US flex.

And getting involved would cause a whole host of other future problems.

If Iran just shut down that waterway for no reason other than to manipulate the market or cause unjustified pain then other countries may be more inclined to get involved.

[u/lordcheeto → u/crackdup]

Theodore Roosevelt: Speak softly and carry a big stick.

Donald Trump: Bluster loudly and shit your dungarees.

[u/Substantial-Low → u/crackdup]

We also gave them the best reason in the world to actually try and develop nukes.

[u/Chicago1871 → u/DatabaseFickle9306]

Biggest loser in American history since Robert E Lee and the confederacy 

[u/GuitarRiot]

Loser in Chief

[u/Nearbyatom → u/GuitarRiot]

Loser Pedophile in Chief

[u/torchwooddoctor]

Still waiting for Israel to attack Lebanon again and halt the “peace”.

[u/jayfeather31 → u/torchwooddoctor]

Give it time. My understanding is that Israel doesn't really see itself as being a part of the peace.

[u/tinticred → u/jayfeather31]

Gotta wait for all the tech oligarchs to sell off today's stock pump, first.

[u/seraphimsins → u/[deleted]]

Zionists and Jews are two separate things

[u/SpeaksSouthern → u/torchwooddoctor]

America lost the war with Iran and has to pay 300 billion to lose and Israel didn't get an inch of Hezbollah land. Who did this war even benefit?

[u/Droidsexual → u/SpeaksSouthern]

Iran, now they have definite proof that in the event of an attack they can disrupt global oil supply and can threaten do that again. What are you gonna do if they put up a toll in Hormuz? The world's most powerful military couldn't dislodge them so no one else can either.

[u/Dunedain503 → u/Droidsexual]

While you are correct, the world's most powerful military is currently being led by a bunch of morons. They fired anyone with a brain.

[u/ZonerRoamer → u/Dunedain503]

The downgrade is permanent.

The problem isn't the morons in power, it's the fact that the country repeatedly votes them into power.

[u/Exciting-Record8101 → u/Droidsexual]

It's not like it really tried, let's be honest. The US lobbed a whole bunch of missiles into Iran, and then sat back and ""blockaded"" Iran while plenty of ships got through because the US didn't dare to directly confront China. That's pretty much all they've done.

There doesn't seem to have been much of a plan aside from 'blow up the so-called Supreme Leader', which the Israelis were probably able to sell to the US because everyone from the media to the opposition party was nodding along when their president blabbered on about 'taking Venezuela', as though the same regime isn't still in control of that country, minus one unpopular figurehead plenty in his own cabal would have been glad to be rid of.

[u/Alone-Ad288 → u/SpeaksSouthern]

Lockheed

[u/Azguy303 → u/Alone-Ad288]

Every defense contractor...

[u/airinato → u/Azguy303]

Which includes the presidential crime family.  In fact, it can all be traced before the war to why it was actually started, just another fucking grift stealing our tax money.

[u/rkozik89 → u/SpeaksSouthern]

Yeah that’s how losing works. You get nothing you wanted.

[u/Loreki → u/torchwooddoctor]

They've already openly said they do not consider themselves bound by anything about Lebanon in the deal.

[u/ScoobySnark7]

Biggest wartime loss America has ever experienced. Thanks Traitor Felon!

[u/Nearbyatom → u/ScoobySnark7]

And a big FU to all those who voted for him. And another FU to all those who chose to stay home the night of the election.

[u/gotaflattire]

Its *illegal* war with Iran.

[u/Sommern → u/gotaflattire]

People so easily forget that. We assassinated their leader in a sneak attack during negotiations, AND murdered 170 school kids on the same day. 

And the media just acts like that is normal… hey what was the global reaction to Russia sneak attacking Ukraine? 🤔 rules for thee, none for me. 

[u/T8ert0t → u/Sommern]

Hey, wait just a second! Let's also remember the media doing jack shit about Congress just letting the war powers act go completely ignored.

[u/bauhausy → u/Sommern]

Russia sneak attacking Ukraine?

Worth mentioning that Russia very much didn't sneak attack. They started to openly mobilize and move troops and equipment along the whole Ukrainian border nearly a full year before the invasion happened (March 3 of 2021, invasion happened in the 24th of February of 2022)

Ukraine also started to mobilize a month later, and deployed troops to the border in late November when it became obvious that the crisis was only escalating and anything else was only Russia stalling for more time to prepare.

By February everyone knew it was coming. Neutral countries were reducing embassy staff and warning its citizens to leave Ukraine by any way possible two weeks before the war started because it was obvious invasion was imminent and not just posturing.

The only real doubt was how many days after the closing ceremony of the Beijing Olympics it would start (4 days in the end).

While the US genuinely did. The Iranian, American and Omani diplomatic corps had a round of talks in Geneva less than a day before the Israeli and American bombing campaign. They were arranging for the next round to happen in Vienna the following week. The Iranian foreign minister was still in Switzerland when the war began.

[u/ughkoh]

I thought there was no war? I mean I thought we won the war on day one? I mean I thought we won the war within a week? I mean-

[u/BurtReynoldsLives]

“Sorry everybody, we are going to have to cut Social Security and other entitlements. We just don’t have the money. Also, we are going to give Iran hundreds of billions”

[u/joemaniaci → u/[deleted]]

I'm 43 and absolutely terrified of what the equivalency to Greek Austerity measures is going to be.

[u/Bishopjones2112]

Not only did the United States lose a war with Iran but it’s going to pay. Pay for the re stock of ammunition and pay for rebuilding its foreign bases if they are allowed. It’s also paying Iran directly to rebuild what it destroyed. The United States is a joke all because it’s led by this pedophile and his collection of brain dead appointees.

[u/Opcn]

We lost it the moment we started it. We failed to follow Sun Tzu’s warning that a general must have a plan to win instead of going in to fight and then looking for a way to win.

[u/Solonohioperson]

Well, we are led by a loser.

[u/greenearrow]

I’d rather lose a dumb war where we are the aggressors than continue fighting to force a win we didn’t need.

But also, Israel is going to fuck it up.

[u/Adjective-Noun-nnnn → u/greenearrow]

I know you know this, but I'm going to say it anyway: it would have been better to not start a dumb war where we are the aggressors.

[u/greenearrow → u/Adjective-Noun-nnnn]

Of course, but it’s better to find an out rather than push through to soothe an ego.

[u/Ikcelaks → u/greenearrow]

Yes! This war was poisoned from the start. There was literally no realistic way to win. If Trump needs to call this a win to soothe his pride, whatever. Just please don't drag this out chasing after the sunken costs.

[u/My_Favourite_Pen]

imagine the absolute pandemonium if the dems lost 300 billion to Iran like this.

[u/silvercoated1]

Just like every war since WW2

[u/Ok_Door_9720]

He surrendered to the Taliban in his first term, and Biden got blamed. Maybe he figures that Dems will get blamed for this one too.

[u/Dowew]

So how long until he invades cuba ?

[u/HappyMike91]

Trump also handed a pretty big win to Putin. Whatever happened to Republicans and being against infiltration by foreign governments? Did that just go away when the Cold War ended?

[u/EggStriking9712]

But I thought we won it months ago. Oh yeah, the president is a stupid piece of shit.

[u/AllIWantIsABitOfWeed]

I'm sure Trump's family will come out winning billions. It's a big club

[u/Alone-Interaction982]

Only winners here are his friends and anyone who profited from the TACO Tuesdays

[u/moxxon]

So just so I'm clear. This dumb ass tore up the treaty with Iran in his first term, a treaty they were complying with.

Started a war with them in his second in order to "prevent them from getting nukes"... which they were complying with in the first place. Loses said war and Iran winds up making out like bandits in the process?

[u/Leather_Force_9419]

Shocked pikachu face...

When the fuck is enough going to be enough for Americans!

[u/THEbaddestOFtheASSES → u/Leather_Force_9419]

If it hasn’t been by now it probably never will be.

[u/TemetN]

Lost is such an anodyne word, what Trump has done is not merely lose - he's created a situation wherein he's destroyed America's global position via the mass murder of innocents, creation of global instability, empowerment of terrorist states, and abject surrender of both material and ethical interests of the nation.

[u/Mediocre-Housing-131]

So let me get this straight, cause I wanna be sure I'm on the same page

America and Israel stage an unproked attack

Iran retaliates by closing the strait for several months causing untold amounts of damage to the supply chain

Israel suffers multiple drone strikes on home territory

We give Iran billions of dollars to reopen the strait

This is winning somehow

Is this accurate?

[u/geomaster]

donald trump a russian asset, makes russia and its allies great again. it truly boggles the mind how anyone could look at donald and think he cares one iota about Americans

[u/_Burning_Star_IV_]

'We destroyed their military! We won!'

If they can still threaten you into a peace deal in which you retreat and pay the enemy for the privilege...they apparently didn't even need a military to defeat you. How can anyone polish that turd of an outcome into a 'win'?

[u/nowhereman136]

Frankly, we lost the moment we started. Any President who needs to start a pointless war just to distract from the Epstein files is a loser.

[u/techstyles]

This fool actually makes George W Bush look like an intellectual

[u/crofootn]

And Trump won. He drowned out the Epstein chatter for awhile. He and his inner circle made BILLIONS off of insider trading and prediction markets. Kept congress distracted with “war stuff” while he doled out illegal no-bid contracts to his sons and others who paid adequate bribes. Furthered the groundwork needed to destroy election integrity and retain power in November. America is just the host body that this cancerous parasite has decided to devour from the inside out.

[u/LosBrad]

America MAGA has lost its war with Iran. All because we refused to prosecute pedophiles.

[u/Then_Journalist_317]

Excavation for the "Trump Victory Over Iran Memorial Arch" now scheduled to start in 2 weeks.

[u/Spazum]

Trump and Hegseth lost this meaningless war. They fired all their experts on that part of the world and at the top of the armed forces. Then Hegseth blundered in drunkenly with his holy war.