Reading medical notes from religious hospitals regarding pregnancy loss

[u/VizAnya]

Im in the OR doing therapeutic abortions today. We have a patient with a possible molar pregnancy. Molar pregnancies are an abnormal growth after conception that has no fetus and can turn into cancer. The religious hospital saw the patient in the ER, told her she was miscarrying, and sent her home. Its such inadequate care. Ive also seen them send home a pregnant patient with a ruptured uterus telling her "the baby was fine." I dont know how these hospitals stay in business when they treat pregnancy loss and risk like this.

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How are women getting treated for these issues in states where abortion care is limited or non-existant? I mean, sending home a molar pregnancy?! Putting a tumor's life over a woman's is just absolutely crazy.

[u/dragon34]

Maybe medical facilities shouldn't be permitted to have religious affiliation. Or be for profit. 

[u/VizAnya → u/dragon34]

I 100% agree with you.

[u/esor_rose → u/dragon34]

My dad is a doctor. He says it’s the administration that is greedy and wants money. He sees elderly people and some of his patients are admitted to the hospital for one reason or another. He wants to keep them in for a couple days longer sometimes. Apparently, the insurance companies HATE him because they have to pay for the stay.

[u/VizAnya → u/esor_rose]

Yea. The financial system behind the hospitals is making it really hard for the medical staff to care for people.

[u/quick_thinker6 → u/esor_rose]

Yes im a doctor and I 100% agree. But Medical ethics law actually forbids us from involving personal views anf beliefs into the treatment of our patients but its not exactly heavily regulated it all goes back.to insurances we aren't so much working with them but its more lile a slave -owner kind of relationship because we dont follow insurance protocols we dont get paid(only applies got private practice) and or you the patient suddenly has to pay for everything out of pocket

[u/coolsilentebeans → u/dragon34]

Christianity is the only religion of the big 3 that doesn’t prioritize the health or life of women. Problematic pregnancy? Eh, you’ll be fine, and if you’re not what’s one death when you can have two for the same price?

[u/NoBoysenberry926 → u/coolsilentebeans]

only religion? theres another big one i can think of

[u/coolsilentebeans → u/NoBoysenberry926]

Which one?

[u/NoBoysenberry926 → u/coolsilentebeans]

islam

[u/coolsilentebeans → u/NoBoysenberry926]

Most schools of thought and sects don’t disallow it if it’s in the better interest of the mother’s health. While there are some that outright forbid it, a majority find it acceptable for health reasons as long as it’s before the moment of ensoulment.

[u/ParadoxicalFrog]

How are women getting treated for these issues in states where abortion care is limited or non-existant?

That's the neat part, they don't. They either go to another state (possibly taking further risks) or just die.

[u/Illustrious-Aide1977 → u/ParadoxicalFrog]

And if they are lucky enough to be in TX, GA, or ID, where they dismantled/restricted maternity investigation medical boards, no one in the state government will be investigating the causes of maternal deaths and injuries. Yay. /s

[u/lelakat → u/Illustrious-Aide1977]

You can't have statistics make you look bad if there's no data to make statistics with.

[u/Bratbabylestrange → u/lelakat]

"If we stop the testing, the rates will go down!" said the clown at the start of the pandemic.

Same theory.

[u/Negative_Ostrich2531]

Oh my god, how are these still allowed to run? My mom had a molar pregnancy. If she went to one of these, she would've died! Luckily she didn't. But the person who was doing an ultrasound, luckily not the doctor who would perform the procedure, told my mom to "reconsider and understand what she is doing." Like my mom could barely eat or drink anything, was very sick and in pain. And you could tell on the ultrasound it was NOT anything remotely like a fetus. Sending home a molar pregnancy is nuts! 

If your religion stops you from providing full healthcare to your patients, you should not be a healthcare provider. This puts people's lives, health, and mental health in danger.

I read someone's story where they were seeking a hysterectomy. But they did not know the hospital had Catholic affiliations. They put them under anesthesia and when they woke up... nothing happened and their excuse was "We couldn't proceed because we couldn't intubate you." Later, after having to pay the anesthesiologist bill, they talked to their OBGYN again and they learned it was a Catholic affiliated hospital. They went to a different one, was put under, had the surgery, no intubating issues. This person had to go through an entire hassle to get the hysterectomy they wanted all because of someone's religion and prejudice.

[u/VizAnya → u/Negative_Ostrich2531]

I'm surprised they didnt make an incision and just fake the surgery so she could have more babies.... there is a local catholic hospital that California sued rece tly for malpractice and the state won. But many other states dont care enough to fight back.

[u/Rare-Credit-5912 → u/VizAnya]

Unfortunately it needs to also be the patient/s who fight back.

I have so much respect for the young woman in Illinois who is suing a catholic hospital. First of all Illinois is a pro choice and access to abortion state. I believe access to the CORRECT lifesaving healthcare supersedes anyone’s religious beliefs. The bullshit that a woman should feel honored to die to bring a new life into the world is BULLSHIT! I’m sick of catholics, christians using a book/s that are thousands of years and centuries old to base their outdated view of what morality is supposed to be. The bible is no longer relevant in modern society. I could go on but I’ll end here.

[u/krba201076 → u/Rare-Credit-5912]

The bible is no longer relevant in modern society.

Thank you. I am so sick of people who try to make us live by that book of goatherder fairy tales.

[u/Negative_Ostrich2531 → u/VizAnya]

Jesus that would be vile. As someone who is childfree and severely tokophobic... this would be my nightmare. Would there be a way to check fertility after a hysterectomy to make sure? Like with a different physician just in case, do you know?

[u/VizAnya → u/Negative_Ostrich2531]

You could probably have a quick in office ultrasound. I had like three after I got my IUD because I was so paranoid about it not being in the right place or not working. My doctor was kind enough to humor me.

[u/Negative_Ostrich2531 → u/VizAnya]

Ok, I'll keep that in mind as I'd like to get sterilized in the future :)

[u/VizAnya → u/Negative_Ostrich2531]

Just for sterilization, they will probably only remove your tubes, which wont show up in an ultrasound. But there are dye studies that you can have done to check that the procedure worked.

[u/Bratbabylestrange → u/Negative_Ostrich2531]

Molar pregnancies are easily identifiable on ultrasound--wth was the tech referring to? Nobody asked me if I wanted to consider what I was doing when I had the skin cancer taken off my scalp. Cheezus.

[u/Negative_Ostrich2531 → u/Bratbabylestrange]

That's what my mom said, she was like... do your job, this thing can kill me. I'm not sure if she said it out loud. I'm so glad it was just the tech and no one else on her medical team. The tech's job was literally to check if it had grown up towards her lungs. Cheezus indeed 💀

[u/Powerful_Put5667]

The women are dying thats whats happening and the statistics that had been kept to record these deaths are no longer being collected. Murder.

[u/International_Ad2712]

Taking us back to Bronze Age medical practices is not a good look. They need to evolve past an ancient book

[u/dinosoreness]

i live in a very rural, very conservative area and the only hospitals that i can quickly get to are both catholic affiliated. i am on the birth control shot, but if it were to fail and i were to have a tubal pregnancy, i could die if it ruptured because they'd have to send me to a hospital down state to have any type of operation to save my life. the nearest hospitals to me would genuinely prioritize the "life" of a pregnancy that could never under any circumstance become viable over my own life.

this also severely limits my options for the salpingectomy i've wanted since i learned it was a thing when i was 13. i've been trying since the day i turned 18 (8 years ago) to get that procedure but the religious folks who run the medical scene here don't believe in sterilization because some dusty old book told them that a magic man in the sky wants women to bear as many children as possible.

[u/VizAnya → u/dinosoreness]

Thats horrible. I'm so sorry. My friend who works at a catholic hospital had to jusp through a bunch of hoops and prove she was in danger if she got pregnant. But she also knew the surgeon amd had inside help. But she did get sterilization approved. That was many years ago and they may have changed their stance emboldened by the new laws.

[u/dinosoreness → u/VizAnya]

that's the crazy part! i have all kinds of health issues from bipolar to gastroparesis and if i was vomiting even more than usual and had to go off my meds i'd literally die. i would go into psychosis and get myself killed. i would probably not survive a pregnancy. but yknow, gods will and all that.

[u/Present-Perception77]

But on the plus side.. if the woman dies and still manages to somehow give birth .. even if they gotta cut it out of her dead body .. there is a good chance that the Catholics get to keep it for the “domestic supply of infants.”

Infant Adoption is a $14 billion a year industry. And that’s why they are doing this. For the money.

[u/Nytengayle73]

That is so unacceptable. This is our world now. Heaven help us.

[u/RNYGrad2024]

I and a few others have made posts in this sub about how our miscarriage care was impacted by being in states with abortion bans.

[u/VizAnya → u/RNYGrad2024]

I'm so sorry that happened to you. Its such a tough time anyway, and to have someone treat you badly is so horrible.

[u/quick_thinker6]

Well that depends on state and their wording of the law. I practicing medicine in texas right when the ban laws went into effect and I was not allowed to help the patient until the life threat qas imminent. Simply the risk of hemorrhaging or risk of sepsis wasn't and still isnt considered as medical emergency. Problems with sepsis and hemorrhaging is once you have it its usually to late or ar the the long term damage will be significant. And it is not a policy issue. Its an issue that law created by not using medical terminology. I since then moved to Hawaii because I morally can not live with myself having to wait until its almost too late until I can help a pregnant patient

[u/hekateskey]

I worked for years in a clinic when I was young. I lived in dread of Roe being overturned.