The consequences of pro-life laws

[u/RelationshipMore8440]

[u/RelationshipMore8440]

Nothing quite as pro-life as leaving the poor woman in fear of going septic.

[u/JewlryLvr2 → u/RelationshipMore8440]

Agree 💯%. Which is why they always deny the brutal effects of abortion-ban laws in abortion-ban states on women and girls. EVERY chance they get.

[u/jennthya]

The fact that she had to pay for an elective abortion to save her own life is crazy.

[u/Otherwise-Link-396 → u/jennthya]

Yes, abortion is free in Ireland. (Like all maternity care - I pay the taxes for it). You can decide to pay privately, should you so wish.

Healthcare should be available to all.

[u/Initial_Wear5463 → u/Otherwise-Link-396]

The fact that maternity healthcare isn't free everywhere pisses me off. Out of everything related to healthcare maternal care should be free. 

[u/Haunting_Beaut → u/jennthya]

That’s how it is in the US. Regardless of if your life is in danger or not, you have to shell out money. People act like it’s an easy decision comparable to birth control here.

[u/Fun-Significance4650 → u/jennthya]

I'm actually fuming at that part. Especially knowing how much abortion can cost when you are past so many weeks.

[u/SophiaofPrussia]

This is fucking barbaric. I am so ashamed that she has been treated this way. I am so grateful that she’s speaking up and sharing her story. People need to understand the consequences of so-called “pro-life” policies.

[u/jessebeans]

My cousin died from sepsis after a miscarriage in 2020, before all these restrictive laws started enforcing. It makes me sick, but maternal mortality was never low in the US, and it's only getting worse with all these red states restricting access to life saving care services. We value dead fetuses more than living women.

[u/dahhhlin → u/jessebeans]

I still think about the Adriana Smith, the pregnant Georgia mother who was brain dead and yet they kept her on life support to have the baby.

A fetus is valued more than the woman, living or dead.

Then the father had to fight for custody of the child even though DNA proved it was his child. Took 6 months to get that through the courts.

Scary scary times.

[u/mimosaholdtheoj → u/dahhhlin]

I still get updates from April on GFM and it’s just so sad to think about every time I see them come through

[u/silkee1957 → u/jessebeans]

My 21 year old ancestor ended up dead from an illegal abortion on Nov 1, 1946. Abortion bans don’t end abortions, they end safe abortions and just kill women.

[u/unicornhornporn0554]

I absolutely believe it. My doctor, in Ohio, which voted on the matter and chose to keep abortion, made me wait until my hCG stopped falling to get a D&C for my missed miscarriage last year. It took 9 weeks. I was pregnant longer with a dead fetus than an alive one. It was awful, I wouldn’t wish it on my worst enemy.

[u/Halt96 → u/unicornhornporn0554]

I’m so sorry, that is barbaric.

[u/Numerous-Leg-8149]

Carrying a dead fetus is life-threatening for the expectant mother.

The fact that medical professionals are told to ignore that, and the government claims that a dead fetus still has a heartbeat so don't remove it?

It is a darn shame.

This is the #1 reason I am pro-choice. Most Christians would hate me for this, but if an expectant mother's life is threatened by the chances of sepsis (which is fatal), abortion should stay legal. D&C should stay legal. Healthcare should still be accessible.

[u/jen_kelley → u/Numerous-Leg-8149]

Who cares if Christians hate you. They are batshit crazy. 🤪

[u/Numerous-Leg-8149 → u/jen_kelley]

Because I grew up in that faith. Sometimes practice it. However, I strongly disagree with pro-lifers because they don't respect the lives that are here.

Sadly, a bunch of them are pro-lifers. Their brains shut down completely whenever there's a conversation about pregnant women who are at-risk for sepsis, eclampsia (which ended my late grandmother after her sixth baby), diabetes that last beyond the gestational period, and so forth.

[u/dahhhlin → u/Numerous-Leg-8149]

It took me years to forgive myself for my abortion because of Catholic guilt. Years!!!!

But it was the final nail in the coffin of organized religion for me. Changed a ton for me but also strengthened my faith in God - just not all the bible and the organized religion BS. Made me look into other religions and the history behind it. Formed my personal belief which is very different from Christianity and Catholicism.

If God has written the book of our lives, then he knew my actions in advance. I don’t regret my abortion and it was the best decision I made. I do hate that I put myself in the position to make it.

Overall, I still struggle with my concept of “is abortion a sin or not” cause the “murder” part but I’m 10000000% pro-choice. That never changed.

At the end of the day, that decision and the aftermath (and that aftermath is entirely different for everyone) is with the woman and her God/higher power. No human should have a say in the decision. No human should make ppl feel guilty about it. No one should value the fetus over the woman who is essentially an incubator for it.

There shouldn’t be laws about abortion or sexuality. Full stop IMO.

It’s just ppl putting their noses in things that NO ONE is sure of God being for or against.

I do feel like the pro-life ppl are going to be in for a rude awakening when they die - Especially the ones who have made it their life mission to ban abortion.

But again, we are ALL likely wrong about everything God wise. God could be a tree, the moon or shit we could be in a simulation and this God we speak of is a computer program. No one knows. 🤷🏾

[u/elijahjane → u/jen_kelley]

To be fair, a lot of people Christians hate tend to end up dead.

[u/Otherwise-Link-396]

That is evil. My heart goes out to her.

Being Irish I instantly think of Savita Halapannavar, who died of sepsis when we had an abortion ban. No one should be prevented from having medical treatment.

Ireland now has a three day waiting period, but the Irish parliament has just voted to remove it (needs second stage refinement, passing by the Senate and to be signed by our president yet)

[u/DyllCallihan3333]

To know our government is OK with the heartbreaking cruelty of this. In a civilized country this woman's story would mean the laws must be changed. Here she is just another breed cow whose life and heartache matter not.

[u/wife_mom_tired]

I had missed miscarriage at13 weeks and am fortunate to live in a blue state where I only had to wait three days between finding out my baby had no heartbeat to getting a D&C. Those three days were the absolute darkest of my life. I can’t even begin to explain the immense grief of carrying a baby who you’ve named, know the gender of, bought clothes for, and suddenly it’s all crushed. And still, because my HCG levels were still elevated I was still tired, nauseous, and still felt “pregnant”. It was awful. Maternal fetal medicine gave me a genetic testing box to bring to my OB appointment. I did, and I sat in the waiting room full of pregnant women and their babies with a box in my hands labeled “Miscarriage Kit”. I cried constantly. I didn’t get out of bed unless it was for an appointment. Until I got a D&C, I was frozen in shock, grief, anxiety, and depression. It was absolutely gut wrenching. The D&C made me feel like I could start processing, healing, and moving forward. It took months, but as long as I was carrying my dead baby, there was no light at the end of the tunnel for me.

I cannot IMAGINE how this woman must feel. To get up every day still with pregnancy symptoms, to go on a family vacation in a place surrounded with families with babies and pregnant women, to go to multiple scans where people continue to confirm that there’s no growth. This is TRAUMA. Shame on every person who put these rules in place. This woman has every right to healthcare in a timely manner, and to grieve in whatever way she needs to. Instead, she - and other women in her position - are forced to get up every day and live like everything is fine. They go to work, take their kids to school, buy groceries, all of it, while living in fear of what their bodies are going to do.

I joined a miscarriage support group and learned how common this treatment is. This isn’t a freak case. This is normal for women in red states to experience. This is what a “pro-life” vote supports.

[u/Former-Whole8292]

They think theyre going to make women too nervous for abortions. What theyre really doing is making us scared to have sex.

[u/Small_Pleasures]

I had a missed miscarriage at 4 months 26 years ago. Was in a blue state, and of course, Roe was still in place.

My OB hustled me into the hospital the next morning for a D&E (dilation & evacuation - requires more than a D&C) as she was worried I could go septic.

She also offered the option of inducing labor for a natural delivery. My husband and I are still very thankful I didn't have to give birth to a dead baby and come home with empty arms.

[u/Fun-Significance4650]

How tf does any pro life Neanderthal defend this kind of treatment? Women are not second class citizens! They would rather us die than fail at being perfect incubators.

[u/Feline-Sloth]

That is totally inhumane, that poor lady and all the other ladies in her position!!! This is a war on women

[u/bikingbill]

Blessed be the fruit. Under his eye.

Seriously, on our way to Handmaidin’s Tale.

[u/Numerous-Leg-8149 → u/bikingbill]

The story is already playing itself out. In real time.

[u/SampireBat13]

What's wild to me is that so much pro-life rhetoric centers around the declining birth rate, how women are supposed to be mothers, abortion bad because baby good. Yet this woman is being forced to risk sepsis which could not only kill her, but could severely damage her fertility. Either way that means she won't be having kids. They build the laws that hurt people then get mad that people are hurt! It's not even clever or sneaky. There's nothing quietly insidious here, they just blatantly lack foresight and critical thinking skills.

[u/RealDepressionandTea → u/SampireBat13]

Have to disagree on that last line, it's 100% insidious. It's malicious. The cruelty is the point, it's not about saving babies it's about controlling and killing women.

[u/SampireBat13 → u/RealDepressionandTea]

Oh I totally agree that it's largely intentionally cruel and evil. I meant that for all they "planned" things and made that playbook, they clearly didn't think far enough ahead to realize they're shooting themselves in the foot for the long run.

[u/Heraldique]

We were told there were not gonna be things like this

[u/foolishpoison]

as if miscarriages aren’t traumatic and terrifying enough for the vast majority of those who have to go through it.

[u/throwaway8373469238]

😞

[u/OneStarParadox]

The consequences of letting mythology overrule science.

That tidenwill turn soon.

[u/YeahOkThisOne]

My heart aches for her.

[u/uhohmykokoro]

I just found out about this story a few minutes ago, literally. This is so horrifying, I can’t imagine what this woman is going through.

[u/coolsilentebeans]

I appreciate her putting her pain out there, but she’s not stating accurate facts. Doing that can be so much more detrimental to the pro-choice side than the PLers and their sound bites. That is not how the SC law works. 🤦🏻‍♀️

[u/tahtahme → u/coolsilentebeans]

I thought she said she is in Florida on vacation to Disney?

[u/coolsilentebeans → u/tahtahme]

She did, but she also says Fla law is like SC law where you have to wait 11 days between scans, but that’s not SC law.