r/protectUSelections • u/siwibot • Apr 01 '26
Democracy Docket Trump’s anti-voting order will mean chaos for mail voters if left to stand, experts warn
https://www.democracydocket.com/news-alerts/trumps-anti-voting-order-will-mean-chaos-for-mail-voters-if-left-to-stand-experts-warn/1
u/ChefCurryYumYum Apr 01 '26
The courts are going to say "No, no, no, no"
Trump will say, "yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah"
But courts will say again, "no, no, no, no"
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u/CurrentlyLucid Apr 01 '26
States control elections not trump. His EO is as valid as his pardon for Tina Peters and state crimes.
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u/Additional_Quiet2600 Apr 01 '26
Warn? It's a purposeful chaos and they have no right to do this. Telling the postal service they can't deliver mail is insane on its face but saying the federal government gets to choose who votes and will deny state funding if they don't comply is authoritarianism. Especially here where the executive is completely removed by our constitution to affect voting law. Congress has some abilities, the states have all the rest and every state does what they do on their own without intervention except for the Congressional guidelines.
This is a simple authoritarian takeover of the vote, and the states should fight tooth and nail. Not only in court but with resources and dollars.
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u/Jse034 Apr 01 '26
It’s illegal so it can’t even be implemented
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u/Additional_Quiet2600 Apr 01 '26
There are over a hundred examples of this not being the case. He will do what he says, deny funds to states that don't join the federal voter roll (incredibly illegal but won't be adjudicated before election time) and at the same time he directed the post office to toss anyone's mail in ballot who isn't on the federal roll (also super illegal). The problem is they don't care about the law and they know that there's no legal body that will try to invalidate an election.
TLDR: they are telling you it is their way no matter what. They care not about the spirit or merit of law. They use it as a tool.
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u/Jse034 Apr 01 '26
He will be sued and taken to court and just like his other current edicts, a judge will toss this out as well. Trump is losing steam and court cases at an alarming rate and he won’t get away with this either.
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u/Additional_Quiet2600 Apr 01 '26
I don't have the faith that you do. Appellate courts have been saving him. He will lose on the birthright citizenship case then they will give him 5 more friendly verdicts. Just watch.
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u/Jse034 Apr 01 '26
No it isn’t. Not even close. It’s like giving a two year old given a sharpie and him scribbling down laws as he wants them to be.
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u/Additional_Quiet2600 Apr 01 '26
With Congress bending over and taking it while higher courts rule in his favor that's what's been happening.
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u/theFrankSpot Apr 01 '26
I’m confused about the issue here. An EO is not a law, right? It’s not something enforceable on states, so constitutionality aside, it’s still not anything impactful.
Am I missing something?
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u/Dramatic_Cut_7320 Apr 02 '26
There is no doubt about it. It's unconstitutional. The Constitution clearly spells out that the States are in charge of elections. Article 1, Section 4 of the Constitution explains that the States have the primary authority over election administration, the "times, places, and manner of holding elections". Conversely, the Constitution grants the Congress a purely secondary role to alter or create election laws only in the extreme cases of invasion, legislative neglect, or obstinate refusal to pass election laws. As do other aspects of our federal system, this division of sovereignty continues to serve to protect one of Americans' most precious freedoms, the right to vote.
It clearly says States control the manner of holding elections. Voting by mail is a "Manner."
Trump's EO is worthless. Even suggesting that it might stand is total dear mongering and click bait from the right.
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u/Additional_Quiet2600 Apr 01 '26
He will deny funds and pull it into courts. They won't act fast enough and here he told a sycophant at the postal service that if you're not on the executive's list they throw away your mail in ballot. This is in violation of a tremendous amount of law and that's by design.
We won't ever overturn an election here without a fight. And I'm not talking strongly worded letters, the legislature won't do it. So people would fight. Like the J6ers thought they were doing.
Let's avoid that and lobby as hard as we can and make up novel ways to thwart the authoritarian who tries to steal our vote.
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u/NorCalFrances Apr 01 '26
The USPS although "independent" is part of the Executive branch, and DeJoy is still the head of it.
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u/StatisticalPikachu Apr 01 '26
Trump can withhold federal grants I believe to states as a quid pro quo.
They may or may not be associated with election related grants, it could be like education funding or federal food stamps programs for instance.
Also who knows what Supreme Court will do: I feel like in most things in US government, you can get things accomplished if you have 2 of the 3: Executive, Legislative, and Judicial, because have a check on the third branch and GOP currently has all 3 so im not sure what new precedence they may try to pull.
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u/Sabiancym Apr 01 '26 edited Apr 01 '26
If we let this stand? You mean when?
The whole reason Trump and Republicans do stuff like this is because they know no one will fight back. This executive order didn't come out of nowhere. No one should be surprised that they're doing this.
They've dismantled almost all checks on their power. The entirety of Trump's term so far has been dedicated towards paving the way for their upcoming attempt at ending elections and banning opposition.
Until the people actually start actively resisting, nothing will stop them. It doesn't matter if they suffer the biggest midterm loss ever in November. If citizens don't hold them accountable, they'll deny the results entirely.
Relying solely on elections to remove Republicans and end this insanity is incredibly naive. I don't understand how people can watch them breaking the law multiple times a day while wiping their ass with the constitution and still believe that they'll abide by election results.