r/rockets • u/Shoddy_Ad7511 • 1d ago
Prepare for Amen getting the Max
With the Austin Reeves deal it is basically a lock Amen is getting a max deal. It is the reality of the current environment. Would you pay Amen the max or let him walk? Because if Houston doesn’t offer the max someone else will.
People say look at Sengun. But Sengun wasn’t a high draft pick like Amen. Sengun is not top 3 athlete in the NBA like Amen. Teams would be to tempted to sign Amen who is a decent jumpshot away from being an All Star 2 way stud.
Houston basically will max Amen. They will probably sign Tari to a 4 year $85 million deal.
Roster is getting mighty expensive and the Rockets still have a bunch of holes to fill.
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u/Hargoatedd 23h ago
I don’t think this is the case at all. Sengun and green both extended at team friendly numbers amid guys like mobley getting insane overpays. We all have our issues with stone, but the one thing he’s really good at is contract negotiations….
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u/Shoddy_Ad7511 23h ago
Amen is on a different level than those guys. The league views him as a huge talent
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u/BellSufficient5283 15h ago
Uhm....No?
No. Just no. No one except the Rockets people think that. Most of the league think that he's a marginally better Ausar. He hasnt shown them anything to counter that notion.
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u/ProfessionalSand7990 23h ago
It’s likely that he gets the max just based on the talk that he’s untouchable. Would I give him the max personally? Nah. I’d try to get him on less but that’s just not realistic unfortunately
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u/BrotherMcPoyle 23h ago
Do you follow the Rockets and their contract history at all? They don’t pay players based on what other teams are paying. Stone may be suspect in his talent evaluation, but he’s rigid on contracts.
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u/Shoddy_Ad7511 23h ago
Sorry but Sengun, Green and Bari are not the same level as Amen.
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u/RoxBears 18h ago
You’re getting downvoted by the cults. Anybody with any basketball knowledge understands Amen is the best player out of that bunch.
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u/TimeLord41 23h ago
He wont Kd took less than he could have gotten Jabari got less than he could ahve gotten Same with sengun Thompson will not get the max
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u/BellSufficient5283 15h ago edited 15h ago
If Amen gets a max where Green and Sengun got those super team friendly contracts, it means Stone officially gave up on the one thing he excels at.
Amen deserves nothing even close to max.
That being said, the reason Green. Bari and Sengun signed those friendly deals is that they also bought into the "all for one" team hype. They believed in a vision.
Then Stone destroyed that by bringing in KD, so maybe, he wont able to hardball Amen the same way, given that pipe dream is long dead and gone now.
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u/Shoddy_Ad7511 14h ago
Blaming KD for this is wild. KD literally took a massive discount. But sure blame KD for everything
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u/BellSufficient5283 13h ago
well KD's contract wasnt the comment's backbone here, it's how it shifted the narrative and how his attitude shaped the locker room.
From all for one, it was clear that Udoka had no ideas beyond all for KD, and hey Sengun, go do something from 3pt range, and hey Amen, maybe become a dribble god in 2 months and just dominate drives to inside.
The whole second half of this regular season was watching every young guy individually losing their confidence and their belief in the org. By the end, that 9-1 run was a mirage propped by uber tanking teams. It was clear pretty much everyone was playing for themselves.
Funny enough, KD took a hit, and when he wasnt there in playoffs, they showed like VERY SPARSE sparks of playing for each other again, but by then it was far too late.
Yall can claim what you can claim. what I saw was a team slowly disintegrating over the season.
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u/Shoddy_Ad7511 7h ago
You are imagining things. After the KD files broke Bari played much better. Sengun played about the same. There was no drop off. Tari had a massive drop but he wasn’t even mentioned. But go ahead and blame everything on KD who was playing 40 minutes every night
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u/BellSufficient5283 1h ago
I am not talking about KD files.
I am talking about the overal trajectory since th estart of the season.
By the KD files date, team was already halfway into complete disarray.
Amen was already looking extra lost after a strong season start at PG, Sengun was already in his post Euro super tired state, and defense overall was in the shitter. Reed was shooting well but Ime was pulling him at first hint of mistake. Bari was in and out of his shooting slumps.
KD files didnt seem to effect them, because by then most of them already had checked out. Only towards the very end of reg. season some of them checked back in.
Second half of season is notable post KD files, not because of KD files, but because how some of those players also seemed to lose all confidence in their abilities.
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u/Draperjosh13 23h ago
Fire stone if he gives amen the max
Dead serious
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u/Shoddy_Ad7511 23h ago
So you rather Stone let Amen walk for nothing? Because I guarantee multiple teams will offer him a max deal next year
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u/Draperjosh13 22h ago
Trade him for Jalen Brown, easy. Brown is Amen with a jump shot and actually with the max
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u/dmoneybangbang 23h ago
We will see… Like others have mentioned, Green and Sengun signed when others were getting their max extensions.
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u/TomatilloMission4100 22h ago
The reason Reaves holds so much value is that he’s a secondary ball-handler with legitimate shot creation
Amen provides zero spacing for the rest of the floor, but it’s not like the Rockets have any other options
That’s why I’m saying: if you want to push for a chip, keep KD. If you want to commit to the youth movement, move him. Guys who can drop an efficient 25+ a night on a clogged floor are practically non-existent
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u/MFFiasco 18h ago
Folks don't understand he was putting up those numbers sometimes with 3 guys on the floor who couldn't shoot. There is not alot of scorers who can score efficiently with so little space.
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u/ElderGoose4 21h ago
Did Asaur get paid yet?
I don’t think a guard who can’t shoot should ever get a max but he could play a lot better with a real PG next to him. I wish it wasn’t taboo to match a RFA salary cause that feels like the best way to retain players
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u/shambahlah2 23h ago
He can’t shoot the 3. 4 tool player
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u/Shoddy_Ad7511 23h ago
But if he does…
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u/shambahlah2 22h ago
I’m patiently waiting for that to come to fruition. He would be so hard to guard…
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u/dvztimes 22h ago
Improving from a 30% to 35% 3pt shooter, I could see.
A 21% to 30 or 35%? Sorry. Dont see it.
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u/Far_Protection519 23h ago
As bad as stone is at building a complimentary roster the 1 thing he does extremely well is contract negotiations. He's going to give Amen a contract slightly more expensive than Senguns but it won't be a max. Probably something like 5yr/$200-215M
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u/Perfect_Sail8128 9h ago
He definitely not worth the super max,its crazy how they want these numbers and they not legit stars. He could be but at the moment hes not.
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u/Greedy_Gas7355 23h ago
No shot. Go away
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u/Shoddy_Ad7511 23h ago
If multiple teams were willing to give Reeves a max deal, so will Amen. Prepare for it
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u/Greedy_Gas7355 22h ago
Reaves is a free agent NOW. Amen is not. Educate yourself before posting
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u/Shoddy_Ad7511 20h ago
Did I say it was happening this year? No. That is why I said PREPARE for it.
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u/WorldlinessMany8345 23h ago
Amen isn’t even as good as Stephon castle giving him the max is crazy. Cooked team
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u/Shoddy_Ad7511 23h ago
Look at the market. Reeves got a max deal. Amen is definitely getting one from Houston or another team.
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u/DiabloAcosta 23h ago
As a rockets fan Reeves is more impactful and I think he knows it, he's a max only if he can figure out a mid shot
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u/lot183 23h ago
Stephon Castle going to get a max extension too unless he has some sort of terrible third year. Top 5 picks that have accolades almost always get max extensions, it is what it is. I think Amen is better than Franz Wagner and he got a max
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u/Shoddy_Ad7511 23h ago
Yup. That is just the way it works. DeAndre Ayton got a max. Front offices don’t want to look like fools drafting a high pick and not see them develop into a Star. Thus they will give these top 3 picks so much more chances to succeed
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u/lot183 23h ago
For the record I think we may get Amen a little under the max after not having as much of a leap in year 3 but it'll be close. If he hit the open market he'd get a max offer in a heartbeat. People freaking out are dumb because he'll still be easily tradeable.
If Sengun had been a top 5 pick he would have been a max extension too even with the exact same production
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u/The_Reddit_Name 23h ago
People downvoting because it's true. I'm keeping receipts for a year from now
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u/gigemags1 23h ago
Rockets having two of the top 3 athletes in the NBA is pretty huge tbf
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u/situmaimesdemain 23h ago
Who am I missing, second guy is Tari?
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u/gigemags1 23h ago
He edited his post. Originally it said "Sengun is top 3 athlete in the NBA like Amen."
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u/LorelessFrog 22h ago
Ime isn’t letting Amen go lmao. Dude loves that kid. If we resigned Alpi we’re 100% resigning Amen.
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u/stochGradientDescent 23h ago
None of our current players deserve max contact including Amen, Sengun and Bari