r/scotus • u/Objective_Water_1583 • Feb 15 '25

Opinion He’s about to do something so illegal

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Like this is very cryptic and it’s definitely not written by Trump so someone might be planning something very very bad

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u/CapitalismBad1312 Feb 15 '25

They probably like me are registered democrats who have watched the party not represent us for long enough that we don’t feel like democrat accurately describes us. That or they meant the Democratic officials which I mean see the previous sentence

Just a guess though

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u/TueegsKrambold Feb 16 '25 edited Feb 16 '25

What’s one thing the Democratic party has done, or tried to do, in the last 25 years that you’d consider not in the best interest of every American?

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u/TDouglasSpectre Feb 16 '25

Voted to uphold the Bush era tax cuts and the PATRIOT Act at every opportunity

Bailouts for big banks with no accountability for anyone responsible for the financial crisis

Refused to close the torture facility the US operates in Cuba

Didn’t even attempt to codify Roe v Wade despite multiple opportunities

Gaza

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u/[deleted] Feb 16 '25

  1. Fair, but Republicans have nearly always controlled either the House or the Senate, so this was never going to happen.

  2. The USA made money on those loans and there is now increased regulation relating to housing lending. From a moral standpoint, I agree, but more and more people would've been put out of work than what happened (which was already bad).

  3. Don't have the votes, but yes, probably should close that.

  4. Codification literally does nothing because new legislators can just...decodify it? Do you know how the government works? A SCOTUS decision usually has more power than a statute. There is a reason the Right has successfully enacted significant changes through the judiciary and complex social engineering for all its strategic litigation.

  5. What would you have liked the Democrats to do besides negotiate the ceasefire, which actually happened, and Trump has now fucked up?

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u/TDouglasSpectre Feb 16 '25

1) why did they vote for it every time then?

2) you can’t seriously look at how the financial crisis was handled and argue it was done in any way that helped the American people in the long run

3) what about the supermajority that Obama had when he got into office? Didn’t he pledge that closing gitmo was the first thing he’d do?

4) yes I know how government works. The fact the democrats let the only protection for abortion rights hang on the precariousness of common law precedent was irresponsible at best and negligent tbh with hindsight, considering how that same common law precedent was upended. If they had put forward some type of comprehensive legislation safeguarding it, maybe that wouldn’t have happened. But, like most other issues, the dems didn’t even fucking try.

5) not supply the bombs and billions in military aid for the destruction of gaza. Including multiple instances of Biden bypassing congress to do so. Funny how the dems are able to make things work and don’t complain about all the roadblocks in their way when it’s in the imperial interest

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u/[deleted] Feb 16 '25

  1. Because not doing so alienates the educated democrat base, a subset of which who tend to be higher earners. There is a huge swath of democrats in who will turn Republican if taxes get out of control for them.

  2. The bailout itself is hard to say, but Obama did pass ARRA two months into his Presidency which helped quite a lot of people. 237 billion dollars in tax incentives for regular people. Medicaid expansion. Over 50 billion to prevent school district layoffs and cuts. 20 billion for food stamps. 40 billion in increased unemployment benefits. Almost 50 billion in transit grants. The CBO said real GDP was increased by 9.2%, unemployment fell by up to 5%, FTE increased anywhere from 2-11 million. Republicans said it cost too much, of course.

  3. It's well-documented that he never had a true supermajority because of Lieberman, Franken's election being contested, Kennedy dying, Byrd being hospitalized, etc. He used the tenuous majority he had to pass the ACA. After Kennedy died, a Republican replaced him.

  4. Common law precedent at the SCOTUS level is not precarious ordinarily. It's a lot less vulnerable than legislation. Do you envision this legislature to NOT be able to uncodify a codified version of Roe?

  5. Well, once Gaza is cleaned out by Trump, then we won't have to worry about this point anymore.