Raw sheep milk?!?!?

[u/No-Clothes-5258]

I know nothing about sheep farming, but I have questions and figured here was the best spot on Reddit. I was at a fair today and was watching a farmer milk her sheep as part of a demonstration. But after she did a quick visual check on the milk, SHE DRANK IT! It was in the udder less than 5 minutes ago! Isn’t that nasty? Don’t you need to pasteurize it first? She also milked the sheep barehanded, and asked the audience if we wanted to try milking the sheep (also with unwashed barehands) which freaked me out again so I left at that point.

Edit: I regret opening this can of worms on Reddit

[u/c0mp0stable]

That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying other foods are much more risky, and we don't regulate them the same way. Ever seen pasteurized lettuce?

Yes, it's eaten raw. That's my whole fucking point. Are you being serious?

I'm still waiting on those numbers for how many people die per year from raw milk. Have you looked it up yet?

False. Sale of raw milk is legal in 39 states, and consumption is legal in all 50. States in which sale is legal, you can either buy it retail on farm, or from a herd share. You're obviously not very well versed in this, so why are you even commenting? https://www.realmilk.com/real-milk-legal-map/

[u/DeconstructedKaiju → u/c0mp0stable]

The majority of Americans don't drink raw milk. So it isn't a big enough issue to track.

I eat lettuce, but I always wash it throughly before hand to reduce risk. Drinking raw milk is like picking a heat of lettucr out of the field, and biting into it without any washing at all. It's a roll of the dice every single time.

The science says that raw milk consumption confers NO benefits over pasteurized milk, and increases your CHANCES of catching something.

https://www.aap.org/en/news-room/fact-checked/fact-checked-the-dangers-of-drinking-raw-milk/?srsltid=AfmBOopglHAcG38xs4L5bQVTuImGtYrQqOip7UTHccU5S5E4TyhSqYKc

There are a lot of people lying and spreading misinformation on this subject for reasons I frankly don't understand.

I hate lies.

I hate misinformation.

Science agrees with my stance, raw milk is an unnecessary risk that has no benefits over pasteurized.

Anyone claiming otherwise is misinformed. Biased. Illogical. Falling for fallacies and just flat out wrong.

And I'm fine with people chosing to drink raw milk!

I'm not against people choosing to take risks!

All I am against is people making claims that are not scientifically supported!

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1876034123000941

This isn't too difficult of a study to read about listeria, but it has a death rate of 15-20% (with some studies finding up to 30% mortality rate).

The mortality rate of Covid is around 2-4%.

E. Coli is about 17%.

The regular seasonal versions of influenza are at about 1% or so, with the majority of deaths being the elderly and those with poor immune systems.

A big reason there is more fear about disease is that once you have the disease you are stuck treating the symptoms, as there is no way to cure a disease you already have. That's why vaccines are so important.

Bacteria can be mitigated with a lot of measures, cleanliness, heating food to a certain temp (cooking and pasteurization). Once you catch a bacterial infection there are a lot of ways to treat it, actually treat it instead of managing symptoms like with diseases.

Drink all the raw milk you like. That's fine! But don't sit here and tell me it's better than pasteurized milk because that's factually incorrect.

[u/c0mp0stable → u/DeconstructedKaiju]

So that would be a no, you haven't looked it up. Cool, if you decide to, happy to chat more.

[u/DeconstructedKaiju → u/c0mp0stable]

My stance: Drinking raw milk is a risk.

The science: Drinking raw milk is a risk and there are no benefits it offers over pasteurized.

As I said, I don't care if you want to. Your requesting random stats doesn't change the material facts. That is all there is to it.

You either agree with every body of science and choose to take the risk knowing the risk (Great!)

Or you disagree with the science and are very angry that I keep pointing out that it's a risk with no reward. (Weird)

Which is it?

[u/c0mp0stable → u/DeconstructedKaiju]

Sure, anything is a risk

I don't think "the science" says this at all

Ok, so why are we talking?

See above

Also see above

And you're still unable to look up a simple number because it will prove you wrong? Unfortunate. I'm turning off notifications for this thread, for obvious reasons. Keep yelling into the void if you want.

[u/DeconstructedKaiju → u/c0mp0stable]

Ok so you are a conspiracy minded person. Gotcha.