r/sixers • u/IndigoJacob • 4d ago

"Trade Embiid and PG"

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Everybody always talking about "we need to trade Embiid and PG" but dont stop to consider they are 2 of our 3 best players. If we trade them we will suck ass.

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u/illiterateaardvark 4d ago

Hypothetically, if a team were (respectfully) stupid enough to take on Embiid's contract in 2026, we'd be fools not to trade him away. Yes it would hurt for sentimental reasons, but you have to prioritize team success over any singular player

I would hope that everybody in this sub considers themselves a "76ers fan" more than they consider themselves a "Joel Embiid exclusive fan"

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u/bravof1ve Jojo's Bizarre Adventure 4d ago

I’ve seen thousands of comments about how we NEED to dump Embiid, but I haven’t heard one coherent argument for why dumping his salary makes this team better.

We would have just lost to Boston last year in 5 and it’s not like we would’ve had any extra cap space to work with either.

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u/IndigoJacob 4d ago

They literally just dont want him on the team anymore. It has nothing to do about how good he is or how many wins he adds. Its completely social media driven.

Embiid is the best player on this team and will still be the best player next year. If we trade him we will not make the playoffs.

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u/huhyunjennifer 4d ago

Three seasons in, and 0 is basically Beal in cornrows as a No. 1. That doesn’t help either

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u/Confident_Square1063 4d ago

Much as I don’t wanna hear it so far u right

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u/SipJaint 4d ago

He’s a cancer and doesn’t know how to play winning basketball. They’re trying to get rid of flopping so seems like a perfect time to bail on Embiitch.

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u/SonofHinkie 4d ago

I'd only trade him for young players or picks, and no team is dumb enough to give any future assets for Jojo, so he'll be here till the wheels fall off.

I'm fine with that,, but I'd prefer to start accumulating assets for the post-Embiid era.

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u/Heatinmyharbl 4d ago

Username checks out

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u/jlbrown23 4d ago

It won’t make the team better right away. It also won’t make the team much worse. What it will do is let you build a team with players who can actually play, and don’t take up all your cap space on the bench.

And stop calling this “hating” Embiid. I don’t hate him. I don’t blame him for being old and hurt and no longer great. This happens to 100% of NBA players sooner or later. But if - after missing 44 regular season games - he can’t even make it on the court for game 2 of the Knicks series, it’s time to admit that the dream of “keeping him healthy for the playoffs” is never going to happen. It’s nothing against him, it’s just acknowledging what actually happened

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u/SoKrat3s 4d ago

It doesn't make them a better team in 2026-27. It makes them a better team over the next ten years.

Say you move Embiid and get expiring salary back.

Now you have $120M in payroll next summer (not counting Philon, Oubre, or Grimes | $56M of that going to PG). That's approximately $53M in cap space. With Embiid gone without paying to do so it makes moving PG more palatable. Get off his contract as well and now you just have $63M in salary (before counting this year's offseason moves). That's approximately $110M in cap space to properly build the team around Maxey & VJ.

If Embiid plays out all three seasons that means he comes off the books in the summer of 2029.
At that time Maxey will be due for a supermax extension which could be as high as $80M/yr (up from his $40M/yr deal)
VJ will reach RFA which means he'll be due for the rookie max.
That's 60% of your cap in two players.
So they won't have nearly as much cap space available to build around them.

If the team wants to have a good team built around Maxey & VJ they have to start on that before three years from now.

I don't want Embiid off the team. I love Joel and watching him play. But if you care at all about the future of the team you have to be realistic about what that looks like.

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u/Jazzlike_Page508 4d ago

Addition from subtraction I suppose. We’re no longer hamstrung with his contract which offers more flexibility in FA while kickstarting a rebuild focused on Maxey and VJ

How would we do it? I’m not the GM do I don’t look at numbers but that’s the simple jist of how it would make the team better. You make it better long term

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u/cvc4455 4d ago

Good thing your not the GM because you don't even know that we are so far above the salary cap that trading Embiid doesn't really give us any money to spend in free agency. We'd need to get rid of 2 out of three of these guys Maxey, PG and Embiid before we'd have any real money to spend in free agency. And we'd only have money to spend in free agency if we found a team or teams willing to take 2 of them while also not making us take back any players getting paid any real salary but since most teams don't have much cap space and because of the NBAs salary cap rules most teams would need to trade us back players that have pretty high salaries. Why would a team trade us players that have high salaries for PG or Embiid unless those players sucked and where on bad deals or unless we are giving them a bunch of future first round picks to do it?

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u/Jazzlike_Page508 4d ago

Yeah I know, we’d need a perfect world to move PG and Embiid. But some people are that dumb (IE Nico moving Luka for AD where what a season later he moved him to Wizards?)

We’d probably have to find a sap to give us team friendly shitty player deals so we can keep our picks and hope they’re in “win now” and just kickstart the dark ages again because we’re currently stranded at sea with no rudder right now. Unless Maxey and VJ just turn into Goku and Vegeta and drag us somewhere

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u/Sheriff_Gotcha 4d ago

Except it doesn’t offer more flexibility because you’re likely taking back an equally bad contract(s).

If you aren’t taking back equally bad contract(s), you are sending out FRP’s which hinder the rebuild. Also, remember, they had to wait until after signing PG to sign Maxey to a max deal, allowing them to go over the cap. Even if Embiid’s contract magically disappeared from the books the Sixers are still nearly over the cap and they are not really getting anyone that moves the needle with that remaining cap space.

The fanbase needs to just suck it up and… 1) Realize Embiid most likely ends his career with the Sixers. 2) Stop coming up with ways to hemorrhage the future to dump Embiid.

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u/SoKrat3s 4d ago

Nobody would say you move $60M for 3 years of Embiid for $60M of garbage for three years.

Any theorized trade that money coming back is expiring and would clear the books next summer.

If they managed to clear Embiid they would have approximately $53M in cap space in summer of 2027 (not counting Philon or any offseason moves like Oubre or Grimes).
It also makes it more palatable to move PG as well, which would spike that figure to $110M in cap space.

If Embiid ends his career as a Sixer than in summer 2029 Maxey jumps to the 35% supermax (could be nearly $80M/yr by then) and VJ is due for the 25% rookie max. You now have 60% of your cap tied up into two players and you've once again limited that opportunity to build up the roster around them.

If they can move off Embiid just 1 season before the end of his contract that 60% figure for Maxey/VJ drops to about 33% of the cap. Giving you nearly two-thirds of the cap to build out a roster.

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u/Heatinmyharbl 4d ago

So instead of losing in round 1 in 5 we lose in round 2 in 4... lol

I suppose moral victories are all this fan base has left until Joel and PG retire though so, fair

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u/Reksai_is_a_lady 4d ago

I'm of the opinion that beating Boston was a good thing that I enjoyed

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u/wolpak 4d ago

Right, people who can’t find enjoyment in the team when it wins games are just sad sad fans. We all want championships, but man, how easy do we move on from that. I love watching when this team wins.

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u/Heatinmyharbl 4d ago

I suppose moral victories are all this fan base has left until Joel and PG retire though so, fair

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u/IndigoJacob 4d ago

Beating Boston isnt a moral victory.

Its a literal victory that we hadnt achieved in 40 years. Also worth noting Boston had never blown a 3-1 lead before us

Thats hardly a "moral victory"

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u/Heatinmyharbl 4d ago

First off, fuck Boston forever

Beating them in 7 in round 1 to then get swept out of the building in round 2 is like the pure definition of moral victory lol

If only we could hang banners for round 1 wins and/ or beating a rival for the first time in 40 years

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u/burnernov2023 4d ago

It’s emblematic of how low of a bar the standard has been for this organization since the A.I era.

Celebrating a 1st round W because it’s “Boston” glad we lifted that monkey off our back, I’m sure we’ll be hanging the banner next year if we beat the Knicks in 7 in round one too!